Neutering Nerves

[Js4fn]

I'd use the "the only papers they come with is a liability waiver" you had in your signature "over there."

I have it here too lol

only papers they came with was a warning label and liability waiver

 

[BGpa]

@ABCDogs I noted that you addressed @Sunje

But for ref I'll share my one and only experience with AirBnB here in Socal that wanted a $450 pet deposit, was they agreed to nego down when I asked (more deets on how by PM)

and then it took a week and a half confirming as they went back and forth with it appeared two layers of mgmt "on the team" to confirm, inc a correction again by me on checkin day.

The money was important of course but the principle was more- inept, incompetent front end made me nervous about back end on money, privacy.

I decided then cheaper and easier as proven to stay at Marriott on points. Some franchises may differ. I read elsewhere? That one national hotel chain is dog friendly so that may come in handy in a pinch if AirBnB is turning out to be a PITA.

 

[JanS]

"you can't be a responsible pet owner without spaying or neutering your dog" in our respective areas.

Interesting since I've never been asked if my dog/s are intact or not. Of course most of the hotels I go to are for dogs shows so a lot of the dogs are going to be intact. Some of them say the weight limit is 50# but they never actually see the dog, nor do they care so I've even seen Mastiffs in the rooms.

 

[Nordika]

"you can't be a responsible pet owner without spaying or neutering your dog"

That is just laughable, Norway banned spay and neutering and they don't have an overpopulation/stray problem. It's not a dog problem, it's a people problem. Responsible dog owners don't let their dogs roam free. The US is full of irresponsible retards that don't know how to care for/train animals or just don't care. The fact that the US still has an overpopulation of strays is indicative that the spay and neuter crusade that's been going on for decades here just can't fix stupid and will never address the real issue.

And for legal purposes, your sign should just state "Dog on Premises"

 

[Js4fn]

That is just laughable, Norway banned spay and neutering and they don't have an overpopulation/stray problem. It's not a dog problem, it's a people problem. Responsible dog owners don't let their dogs roam free. The US is full of irresponsible retards that don't know how to care for/train animals or just don't care. The fact that the US still has an overpopulation of strays is indicative that the spay and neuter crusade that's been going on for decades here just can't fix stupid and will never address the real issue.

And for legal purposes, your sign should just state "Dog on Premises"

 

[Nordika]

Interesting since I've never been asked if my dog/s are intact or not. Of course most of the hotels I go to are for dogs shows so a lot of the dogs are going to be intact. Some of them say the weight limit is 50# but they never actually see the dog, nor do they care so I've even seen Mastiffs in the rooms.

Same here, I don't have any experience with Airbnb, but hotels have never asked me about breed, weight, or the status of their gonads. We've either camped with our dogs or stayed in hotels with them. I guess it's just one more reason to avoid Airbnb for me.

 

[ABCDogs]

That is just laughable, Norway banned spay and neutering and they don't have an overpopulation/stray problem. It's not a dog problem, it's a people problem. Responsible dog owners don't let their dogs roam free. The US is full of irresponsible retards that don't know how to care for/train animals or just don't care. The fact that the US still has an overpopulation of strays is indicative that the spay and neuter crusade that's been going on for decades here just can't fix stupid and will never address the real issue.

And for legal purposes, your sign should just state "Dog on Premises"

AMEN! I worked at the Fulton county animal shelter, the main shelter for Atlanta. The way people villainized breeders no matter what, placed dogs that had major behavioral issues in family homes, and made shady deals to send purebreds and puppies to rescues before they were even processed into the shelter... It's all a mess. And it's all the people. They want a 90% success rate... and they classify a dog leaving the shelter alive as a "success" even if the new owners have to seek behavioral euthanasia on their own later. Bleeding hearts and virtue signals all over the place, with nearly zero logic.

 

[Sunje]

I'd really like to compare your experience with mine on Airbnb alongside data on shelters/rescues/lobbying groups pushing the "you can't be a responsible pet owner without spaying or neutering your dog" in our respective areas. I know the southeast has some of the highest shelter numbers in the country. And people don't want to admit the system needs a major overhaul, they just blame everyone with an intact pet for the overpopulation. I have heard that the northeast and midwest have much lower numbers and therefore fewer sterilization movements. If public perception is different there with fewer brainwashed Airbnb hosts maybe your experience is better. We've run into many different hosts throughout Georgia and Florida who have "pets allowed" then when I read the house rules it barrs intact animals. One guy wanted you to message if your dog was over 25lbs for prior approval. I messaged and he said he would approve a large male dog only if he is neutered. Which, I kinda get. Some dogs mark indoors. But that's behavioral, not hormonal, in my opinion.

We've stayed more in hotels than VRBOs, but I haven't ever encountered a place that doesn't allow non-neutered animals. Perhaps it is regional. Although the place in Sarasota that we are still hoping to get for a couple weeks next spring doesn't say anything about non-neutered pets. I'll put a wrap on Brio anyway, at least at first, to make sure he doesn't pee on something.

And not a single time have I ever had anyone ask about why he isn't neutered.

I have had to hunt for a kennel that allows intact dogs, but I don't want to put him in a place that throws a bunch of dogs together for the day for "day care". And then they're stuck in a 4x4 kennel overnight. Nope. I did find a stellar one in north Colorado Springs, where we can drive through, drop him off at the kennel, and then fly out of Denver, which is just a couple hours north of the Springs.

 

[Ravenbird]

And for legal purposes, your sign should just state "Dog on Premises"

Way back in the '80's or '90's a friend of mine had an attorney friend and they were talking about her Rottweiler who was very well trained and not a threat to the public, but she mentioned getting a Beware of Dog sign just to keep people from interacting with him. The attorney said no, get one that says "dog on premises" as that just states a fact and does not suggest that you think your dog is capable of harming someone. He said in court a prosecutor would say that by posting a "Beware" sign that you were publicly admitting that you had a dangerous dog. Doesn't mean you'd lose against a trespasser that got bit, it would just make your case more difficult to defend, even if there is no law against having a protection dog on your own property. He said this is even more important if your dog is kept on a public property - which at the time she had several people who boarded horses at her place and came and went at all hours.

I have also read the opposite, that you should post "beware" signs if you know that you have a dog that might bite to prove that you did everything you could to prevent someone from getting hurt by your dog. So I guess it depends on who you ask but I have always had the Dogs on Premises sign myself.

 

[Ravenbird]

@ABCDogs - in response to your original concerns about changing his personality by neutering, I don't think it will change anything. For a fact it won't change his training or any good or bad habits. The only thing it might change is his metabolism for burning calories - even if his exercise stays the same, they do tend to put weight on more easily and that's easy enough to watch and fix by simply cutting back his food a little if you see him gaining weight. Everyone here has given good advice and I agree that any responsible owner should be able to have an intact dog, but if it makes your life a bit easier for whatever reason you should not feel guilty about neutering since you have let him mature completely.

 

[Nordika]

I have also read the opposite, that you should post "beware" signs if you know that you have a dog that might bite to prove that you did everything you could to prevent someone from getting hurt by your dog. So I guess it depends on who you ask but I have always had the Dogs on Premises sign myself.

I know we're off topic here, sorry OP.
If you're in a state that has strict liability laws it likely doesn't matter. If paired with a no trespassers sign, the court may feel you did your due diligence in the case of trespass onto your property.

This is the sign I put on our shop door when we had BRTs because we had a few close calls with UPS drivers walking through the door even with a sign that said employees only. (We also had an employee walk through the door not knowing the dog was there, he was badly injured, but didn't sue us) This sign implies strict liability and acknowledgement that my dogs are guard/protection dogs and WILL bite, but also makes it very clear that a person that does not heed the warning shares in the liability. With BRTs, you may get in, but you won't get out. They will maul as they are very serious guards.

A "Sentry Dog" sign is more specific than a generic "Dog on Premises" sign, which can strengthen the argument that the intruder understood the particular risk and entered anyway.

 

[BGpa]

AMEN! I worked at the Fulton county animal shelter, the main shelter for Atlanta. The way people villainized breeders no matter what, placed dogs that had major behavioral issues in family homes, and made shady deals to send purebreds and puppies to rescues before they were even processed into the shelter... It's all a mess. And it's all the people. They want a 90% success rate... and they classify a dog leaving the shelter alive as a "success" even if the new owners have to seek behavioral euthanasia on their own later. Bleeding hearts and virtue signals all over the place, with nearly zero logic.

Lol, thanks for the affirmation.
I once looked into volunteering at a local county shelter, and even there was a strong vibe of cray-cray.

 

[JanS]

@ABCDogs how did the procedure go?