Doberman becoming "extinct?"

@Ravenbird I'm gonna just say this once:
As I've been reading more on UDC and AWDF and at European Doberman kennel clubs, with a dog centered viewpoint, and having gotten FakeBook working for that, my impression from that social media platforms tainted view of US dog culture ...
the less I find myself inclined to GAF what the egoist Drama Pincher Club of America thinks.
 
As I've been reading more on UDC and AWDF and at European Doberman kennel clubs, with a dog centered viewpoint, and having gotten FakeBook working for that, my impression from that social media platforms tainted view of US dog culture ...
the less I find myself inclined to GAF what the egoist Drama Pincher Club of America thinks
I get it. But remember, there are good people and dogs in each group and also plenty of drama in each group. It's a wild ride, this learning curve. I'd get in line for one of those Finnish cross breeds that they don't want to keep for breed-backs if that was happening locally (with an intelligent long term plan).

And remember, this sounds like a professional plan in Finland, so you can bet the out crosses will be selected not just on breed character but their DNA, so no, they will not be doubling up on genes they don't want. But when the F-1 litters happen they will carefully select the genetics and the looks to get back to a healthy Dobe-looking/acting dog. It's the whole point! The hairy or spotted puppies will be selected out unless their genes are so impressive they want to hold on to them another generation. AND it's not just one breed - maybe they will breed back a Dobe/Pointer puppy to a Dobe/Gordon puppy at 2 years, then add back to the Doberman build. This is the thought process I had about 7 -8 years ago when learning how serious the health issues and inbreeding had become in the Doberman.
 
Ya, I was reacting to the online behavior of a subset of people in show dog world, not the whole breed club.

Not choosing one over another either.

Since I've never bred dobes or even been to a show, I'll hold my tongue, from now on.
 
Have we heard of this? It just came up on my f'book feed:

It says the Finnish Kennel Club has approved outcrossing and it shows a handful of breeds. Outcrossing to all of them? Or some?


This post claims German Kennel Club (VDH) has approved the Finnish project:

Have not dug deep enough to confirm, but here is VDH site for reference
 
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This post claims German Kennel Club (VDH) has approved the Finnish project:

Have not dug deep enough to confirm, but here is VDH site for reference
Lol the link came from this finnish facebook post, translated ....Meta AI needs work;
"gordon insect", "rabbit rheindeer dog"🤣

 
I honestly thought Jazzie, the Doberman x Ridgeback @jazzies mum had was a gorgeous cross who seemed to compliment both breeds very nicely. I haven't done any research on the RR to know the health issues with the breed but the cross would certainly diversify the breed.
 
I honestly thought Jazzie, the Doberman x Ridgeback @jazzies mum had was a gorgeous cross who seemed to compliment both breeds very nicely. I haven't done any research on the RR to know the health issues with the breed but the cross would certainly diversify the breed.
I agree. Have had a rhodi/retriever cross with a zipper; clever, fast, great with kids, fierce enough in self defense to hold her own with a big Akita that attacked out of nowhere in a trail run with BW.

Bonnie seems to gravitate to big rhodies on beach or trail parks. Along with other dobes, its the one other breed she seems to "recognize" or gravitate to instinctively it seems which makes no sense as we raised her as a pup without exposure to one.

Its the big males, the little hussy...😘🤣🤡

What I find interesting is the potential for hybrid vigor baked into the older european dogs taken by the Boers to Africa along with horse, oxen, to do a job: hunting, guarding, herding and the mix of khoi khoi native dogs that protected the village and cattle in the kraal from lions.

From what I recall reading the Boers being the tough farmers and settlers they were, appreciated the native dogs hardiness and utility and purpose-bred them to improve their functional dogs lines.

The euro dogs they brought with just could not hack the heat, pests, and other African dangers in that harsh environment.

To get a really good one the serious rhodie breeders would go to S Africa for foundation stock...but this was 20 years ago.

They are stubborn. Lots of love, clarity, consistent and fair leadership is required, but you will have a heart dog you can depend on, including dig dens 3 feet deep in your garden to escape the heat...just like in Africa! 🧐😉
 

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