Doberman assitance dog

Sparrowhawk

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I'm looking into getting a adult doberman 1 to 3 years from a breeder to train as an assistance dog (uk service dog) as I have trouble with dizziness that means I am reliant on other people and can't really go out by myself. I just wanted some advice on whether that would be a good idea or even work. I have people who would support me who are strong enough to manage a doberman if I couldn't. I have a fenced garden and once they know the basics of helping me (not running off if I fall over) I plan to take them biking and to some kind of dog sport based on what the breeder recommends just not any kind of biting one. I have a cat and a small dog as well. Do you think a doberman is a good idea for me?
 
Another bit to add, I mainly need help walking in rural areas and do not need/want help from random people so I don't mind the intimidating appearance of dobermans
 
There are some Dobermans that have temperaments that could do what you're wishing for, but in general the breed is not usually a first choice for this type of work, especially if you haven't owned one before. They are extremely smart and can be trained to do most anything so that's not where the problem is. They can be overly energetic, both mentally and physically needing and sometimes demanding a lot of attention. Notably, they are not always "easy" for first time Doberman owners. Is there a reason why you are choosing a Doberman over other more popular breeds for for this type of work?

There are a few people here who have had Dobermans as service or assistance dogs and I'm sure they will chime in and help you make your decision.

Welcome to Doberman Chat from New Mexico USA.
 
I know with mobility work you need larger dogs, I have to wear shoes for my ankles that make me taller so other dogs are to small. I am also considering german shepherds but they have alot of fur and grooming needs. I have alot of time for training/walking or enrichment stuff
 
Can a Doberman do what you ask? Yes, they can and do it well if it is properly trained.
The problem is that training a Doberman on basic skills such as obedience, boundaries, impulsivity, etc…, in its own self, can be very much of a challenge especially to a new Doberman owner, as @Ravenbird stated. Then on top that, would need to be trained for the specialty that you require.

I would need to have a complete plan, breeder support as well as confidence in having a specialty skill trainer for my needs- having this before acquiring a Doberman.
 
Welcome from Minnesota, USA!

I see you're looking for an adult so that could make it easier for you to have this breed if they're already well mannered and through the puppy stage.
I am also considering german shepherds but they have alot of fur and grooming needs.
I'm with you there. Even if I'm sitting next to one at a show I'm covered with hair at the end of the day and they're well groomed.
 
My Teaufulhaundt was a Mobility Support service animal. Was fantastic for balance issues I had. Perfect in stores and resturants. The training involved takes constant practice and patience. I did most of thw training myself with aid of different trainers to guide me with certain challenges Teauful and I had. Bold Lead Designs our of Colorado did the specialized harness and accessories to aid my mobility. Teauful passed last year and it's time to head down the path of another mobility service doberman. Now I have the wisdom of thirteen years of being an owner, trainer, handler to know what to do differently and what to look for in that firat year of selection. Like people, some are mentally capable to be caregivers, and some arnt. Dobermans mature slower and if a suitable match exists between you and a dobe, it will take up near eighteen months for relability in service. In the first six months you will know if the dobe has the not only the brains, but the love to be a service dog. If those two criteria are not met, I was told be prepared to find another doberman to meet the needs. Becoming emotionally attached has to come after the inital qualifications are met. This is very brief blurp. If you like to chat more, please let me know.
 
I'm so sorry to hear of his passing. Hopefully you can find another to fit your needs.
Thank you kindly. Unfortunately he was a unicorn. He was an amazing service animal which was a good thing. I started out on the owner trained service path with only the experience of raising three former dobermans that gave unique skill to read body language. That gave an advantage during service dog training. If I would not had the support of several trainers, the lack of service dog consistency to task would have got me hurt, Teauful hurt, and a negative reflection on the service dog community. The next service dobe, I will approach differently in tge early stages of. reeding, testing, and obedience training.
 
Thank you kindly. Unfortunately he was a unicorn. He was an amazing service animal which was a good thing. I started out on the owner trained service path with only the experience of raising three former dobermans that gave unique skill to read body language. That gave an advantage during service dog training. If I would not had the support of several trainers, the lack of service dog consistency to task would have got me hurt, Teauful hurt, and a negative reflection on the service dog community. The next service dobe, I will approach differently in tge early stages of. reeding, testing, and obedience training.
Thank you for sharing!

What specific trained tasks did he perform in assistance to your mobilty need?
For example:
"Gait/ balance assistance" (like a moving cane)
"Lift from a seated position" ( by using handle on harness)

How did you train to this?
Did you adapt standard AKC Obedience commands, and how?

What would you recommend to read/do as a DIY SD owner-trainer?
Any one or two good books?
What existing AKC temperament and obedience tests (or TSA, etc type checks)
would you suggest as a best practices Public Acess Test?

Feel free to PM (use envelope icon on top bar)
 
You write:
"The next service dobe, I will approach differently in tge early stages of. reeding, testing, and obedience training."

Can you elaborate?
Very interesting topic!
 
Thank you kindly. Unfortunately he was a unicorn. He was an amazing service animal which was a good thing. I started out on the owner trained service path with only the experience of raising three former dobermans that gave unique skill to read body language. That gave an advantage during service dog training.

That common with respect to Dobermans.

Same for their ability to learn hand signals with ease.
 
Thank you for sharing!

What specific trained tasks did he perform in assistance to your mobilty need?
For example:
"Gait/ balance assistance" (like a moving cane)
"Lift from a seated position" ( by using handle on harness)

How did you train to this?
Did you adapt standard AKC Obedience commands, and how?

What would you recommend to read/do as a DIY SD owner-trainer?
Any one or two good books?
What existing AKC temperament and obedience tests (or TSA, etc type checks)
would you suggest as a best practices Public Acess Test?

Feel free to PM (use envelope icon on top bar)
Oh, I can speak on training endlessly. Start brewing the Coffee!.

I will touch on a couple of questions today and we see where the conversation takes us.
Teauful was trained for Balancing, Counter balancing, bracing, and support for me going from knee to standing. Lift from seating. Over time additional skills were aquired. Additional skills were aquired simply by having fun. It is my belief that service training must be enjoyable for the dobe. If not its a wrong fit.

What I recommend is understanding that 99% of individuals are not suited to be trainers for more resons than can be listed. That is. ot said to make me look unique. I had decades of Doberman experience. I had the time to dedicate to training. I have the ability to place Teauful in many situations that are needed to have a well rounded training experience. Having the ability to reach out to trainers online was very important.

Some challenges that I didn't see coming with an owner trained serive dobe was how prepared I needed to be for unexpected.

The three year old that comes out of nowhere to pull on ears in a grocery store. The law enforcement officer that thinks Dobermans brains press against skull and explode. The nurse that just starts groping Teauful because she is "a nurse" as if it's a pass. Then there are professional service dog trainers that will walk up without representing themselves as professional trainers and a simple petting turns out to be a full behavioral test. There are "trained" service dogs that bolt from their owners to come sniff Teauful. There were the attack at dog park where Teauful stood still as a maladjusted dog bit into his neck. There are the storw owners that expe t you to take your dog to the bavk of restaurant, or want to interact. The list is literally endless.

Training a service animal is more training me the owner than training Teauful. There were times I should not have taken Teauful to places. Petting zoo for example, or an ice cream shop with a walkable dairy with goats.
Then there are bad days for service animals. When he forget a critical command, or simply woke up on the wrong side of the bone. Being able to accept that your dobe is worn out, or headed for burnout is very important.

Then there is the maintenance. Brushing teeth, constant paw inspections, outdoor weather conditions, and how long he has been performing duties without a break. There is lots to keep track of.

Having a service dobe is a great responsibility that when done well is a great reward for both owner and dobe. I wanted to be upfront that when I staeted out, I had heard of the challenges, but until I was fa ed with the day to day tasks, I didn't full appreciate the responsibility.

As far as books and videos, they are all over the map. For us, there was no one way to do things. When I brought out his harness and he jumped up in excitment and when fitted he would be professional, then I knew we had the right mix of fun and business. Like Avatar, when I placed my hand on the guide handle, it connected us physically, mentally, and emotionally.

I hope your experiences will be as positive.
 
Not sure how to send my number, but if you like to talk on phone or zoom, might be easier.
You can use the "Direct Message" icon in the toolbar above to send me a private message with your direct email or phone number.

I generally log in or scan here once every day or two so I'll reply with mine and we can go from there.

Looking forward to picking your brain!

And back to the OP @Sparrowhawk
To answer your qurstion- is a doberman right for me as a Service Dog?

It depends. There are some Dobermans who have been trained and serve as SDs but its more common now to see ofher breeds, for a variety of reasons.
For a good overview of process check out

My advice would be to find a Service Dog training entity in the UK as close to Yorkshire that you can visit with online and in person. Depending on your needs you can DIY train your own SD, with expert trainer help. The key is finding a provider of digs bred and selected for the temperament needed. Even the best dogs fail at about a 30% rate for some disability/tasks..,
So its something for you to talk with an expert who has been doing it successfully for years, IMHO.
 
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I decided on a different breed of dog, I think I would love to own a doberman in the future but right now I don't think I can own a super high energy dog like a doberman and train it's replacement if it fails as an assitance dog
Thank you @Sparrowhawk !
I think thats a wise choice, to consider the ROI on any SD candidate, and how to maximize success - some breeds are better than others in the many tasks for the many different diagnosed needs, so there is no "one size fits all" answer; its more about the fit to the disabled person thats key.

Good luck and
Any updates to share?
 
Thank you @Sparrowhawk !
I think thats a wise choice, to consider the ROI on any SD candidate, and how to maximize success - some breeds are better than others in the many tasks for the many different diagnosed needs, so there is no "one size fits all" answer; its more about the fit to the disabled person thats key.

Good luck and
Any updates to share?
I got the dog. Phantom is a gsd and she's been doing great with training so far. She's only 6 months old so a bit of a teenager but I haven't really had any issues with her yet other than her letting the cavalier bully her
 

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