CAT & FCAT possible!

AKC got the times recorded! We're #64 & right there within hundredths of a second is @LifeofRubie at #68! AND @Rits - I saw 2 Melrae bred dogs placed even faster (#57 & 60) - and @Doberman Gang there is a Masaya bred speedster who's #39. These are nice places considering over 200 are listed.

64Talane's Ice And Fire Yara RN BCAT CGCA TKNBitch25.14
65Dayhills Ferrari ThunderBitch25.12
66Protea's Dangerous At Both Ends CD BN CGCA TKNDog25.11
67CH Cambria's On The Mark AX AXJ XF CA DCAT RATS CZ8B DM DSX AS CGC TKNBitch25.08
68Dancing Star's Dream Baby RN CA BCAT CGC TKIBitch25.06
68Firebolt's Rubie Star BCAT CGC TKNBitch25.06
69Mirages Remington Steals Your Heart RN TKNDog25.03
 
AKC got the times recorded! We're #64 & right there within hundredths of a second is @LifeofRubie at #68! AND @Rits - I saw 2 Melrae bred dogs placed even faster (#57 & 60) - and @Doberman Gang there is a Masaya bred speedster who's #39. These are nice places considering over 200 are listed.

64Talane's Ice And Fire Yara RN BCAT CGCA TKNBitch25.14
65Dayhills Ferrari ThunderBitch25.12
66Protea's Dangerous At Both Ends CD BN CGCA TKNDog25.11
67CH Cambria's On The Mark AX AXJ XF CA DCAT RATS CZ8B DM DSX AS CGC TKNBitch25.08
68Dancing Star's Dream Baby RN CA BCAT CGC TKIBitch25.06
68Firebolt's Rubie Star BCAT CGC TKNBitch25.06
69Mirages Remington Steals Your Heart RN TKNDog25.03
Nice!!! They are pretty quick with those recordings huh? I was surprised how fast Ripley was put up there after her event. She only has the one run but she's sitting at #85 with an average of 24.64. Knocked down the list a few since she ran 😉 but not bad for her first time! One of the Melrae dogs is Ripley's full sibling from another litter "Melrae's I Want to Believe". It's a bit of a drive for us but they actually run at the place we went to so hoping to meet up with them one day! Its winter soon anyways but I'm going to let her finish growing up some more before we run again. Running like that is hard on them!

Glad Asha gets the game now!! Excited to see what her times will be the next run!!! 😱
 
I was surprised how fast Ripley was put up there after her event.
I'm so sorry I didn't look for her name! I didn't think she'd had 3 runs yet, although I'm sure you said so in your posts. My memory is really checking out lately... I just remembered it was a drop-in while you were on your way somewhere else. Good for you (and Ripley!!!) A bunch of athletic dogs around here, eh?
 
I'm so sorry I didn't look for her name! I didn't think she'd had 3 runs yet, although I'm sure you said so in your posts. My memory is really checking out lately... I just remembered it was a drop-in while you were on your way somewhere else. Good for you (and Ripley!!!) A bunch of athletic dogs around here, eh?
Haha that's totally ok! Shes had 4 runs. We stopped by before and after our event so she got to attend two days to run! 😁
 
I am so glad I found this thread.

@LifeofRubie got me thinking! And @Ravenbird wrote up a great adventure with Asha.

I am seriously thinking about taking Ragnar and Freyja to Fast CAT/CAT’s event on Nov 19, 20, 21.

I am trying to secure one of my daughters to go with me but damn they are so busy.

So do y’all have any advice or recommendations?

How hard do you think it will be to take both of them? I can leave one in the truck while I run one of them. Or I can put a crate in the back of my truck and one can stay there?

I am disappointed that you cannot use a prong collar. Damn, it sure does help to keep them under control significantly when other dogs are around.

So, it seems as if the Fast CAT is the one to run them on?

I have zero experience with this….do we need to do a fun run first or do you think we can show up and do the FastCat?
 
If your recall is solid, they can run Fast Cat without "practice." Will it be their best performance? Perhaps not but they'll catch on quickly!

If you're really interested in running that soon, I'd reach out and make sure the trial isn't already full. What they've been doing around here is run 1 group of 30 dogs per hour and then run the same group of dogs in the next hour. We can be in and out in an hour and a half if they're in the same group.

We leave one dog in the car when running the other, it's pretty standard and you'll see all sorts of set-up's.

Not having a prong can be challenging but we just use it as an opportunity to work on impulse control.

My recommendation is to let people know you're new! Watch a few runs when you get there. It will seem chaotic but there is some method to the madness. Tell the gate people are the beginning and end that you're new. They will have some tips.

And triple make sure you have at least two leashes! You wouldn't believe how many times I've almost left the house with just one :facepalm:
 
So glad you are interested in doing this! I'm just home from a long weekend away, so will write more later, but yes. You need to have someone to release on one end and pick up on the other end in a Fast Cat. 100 yard straight away. The Cats are a loop I think 600 yards, so you can release & pick up at the same place, but truth be told, and I'd have to go back to read what I wrote earlier, your dog will have to be high in prey drive to leave you and go after the lure for that far. I'd start with the Fast Cat only after my experience. Plus some tight turns in some Cat courses, your dogs need to be really fit. Fast Cat the lure only goes as fast as your dog chases and no turns, so much much better for first timers. Like Rubie said, reach out, let them know you are new, you need to learn how it works and you just want to make sure you & your dogs have fun. Don't worry about how fast, remember Ashas first run was 9 mph because she just ran in circles looking for me. LOL. Now she's so hot my friend can't hold her anymore, which means I have to cross my fingers hoping some strong-arm kinda person is around and I'm brave enough to ask if they can release my dog. Then trust that they can. DO reach out to the club and explain you are a first timer with first timer dogs. They should be kind & encouraging! More later.
 
They have first timers all the time. Just tell them its your first time when you get there and when you are waiting in line. The person attending the line up should help you. You don't need two people, there are always volunteers for catching dogs, or releasing. Whichever you prefer. Yes bring two leashes so the catch person can have a leash! The lure operator will stop the lure and typically your dog will be on the bag having a blast so you can catch them.

Honestly, I wouldn't want Ripley to wear a prong for Fast Cat. Its her time to be excited and feed into her prey drive so we have a wide martingale collar to walk up to the line on instead. Make sure you don't have any tags on your collar and its not any kind of slip collar. I was told they can't run in a martingale but can walk up with it so I just take hers off when releasing. They are unbelievably strong once they get the game so I would advise an adult to handle the dog at the start.

The lure operator will be told that your dog is new and will adjust the lure as needed. It doesn't take much really. I find they get excited from the line up watching other dogs run... they think its a bunny so you'll be surprised how quickly they catch on.
 
The more I think about this the more I get excited….Ragnar and Freyja are gonna love it!

I plan on signing them up for two runs each Saturday and Sunday. Get out there early so they can watch what’s going on and get the jist of it.

So your Doberman can get “titled” in this after so many runs?

How does that work?
 
You don't need two people, there are always volunteers for catching dogs, or releasing. Whichever you prefer.
I agree with this to a certain extent - it really depends on the dog. MOST dogs this would be fine. Asha doesn't like strangers, much less me handing her off to them. In our very first trial if I had released her, she would have gone a ways after the lure, then turned and come back to me (it's what she did in the 600 yd Cat trial, so pretty sure she would have done the same in a Fast Cat). @Ddski5, this would be a non-qualifying run. They have to go from start to finish, the timer starts at point A and ends at point B. If they run 3/4 of the way and turn around and come back, it's a NQ. If she had run all the way down the field in a Fast Cat and a stranger was there to pick her up, she would have never gone to them, instead would have run the 100 yards back to me. If I'd left her with a stranger and gone to the pick-up end with a stranger holding her in the line of 4 or 5 dogs, half of which were screaming in desire to get the bunny, I think she would have turned inside out. I post about how tough she acts but defense is actually fear & self preservation and has to be channeled properly. So, know your dog. Ripley has been in crowds of strangers all throughout her biggest learning curve 1st year. You did everything and way more than I wanted to, and have a way better tempered dog genetically. I think Frejya would be good with strangers but Ragnar may be more like Asha. I pretty much had to encourage the prey drive in Asha and she caught on and has learned to go crazy over it now. If I was to critique her personality, even at 4 months old the prey drive was weak and the defense way too high & reactive. My recommendation would be for @Ddski5 to take family for pick up and to release the dogs himself, at least the first time, see how they handle the atmosphere and go from there for the next time.

The more I think about this the more I get excited….Ragnar and Freyja are gonna love it!

I plan on signing them up for two runs each Saturday and Sunday. Get out there early so they can watch what’s going on and get the jist of it.

So your Doberman can get “titled” in this after so many runs?

How does that work?
You should be excited! It's more fun than anything your dogs can do. I was pretty disappointed after my first run because of Ashas non-interest and looking for me instead of chasing the lure, but believe me, once she got the game in her head, she's totally out of control now before starting.

Another thing is most of the time you can request that the dogs not run close together in run order so you have time to get one ready, stand in line, run him/her, get back to the car, water and cool out that dog before you have to get the next one under way. If you make it a family affair with plenty of help this isn't a problem, but if you are by yourself it could be overwhelming for your first trip to the "races".

The title BCAT is the first one for Fast Cats. You get this after accumulating 150 points, each point is a mph. So for simplicity, if your dog ran 25 mph 4 times, that would be 100 points. You go to another trial and did 25 mph 2 more times that would be 150 and you get your BCAT title. My first 2 runs were 9 mph and about 20 mph so I got 29 points toward my BCAT. Hope this helps. Go to AKC Fast Cat Rules online to read all the details.

Enter up, keep asking questions. I don't know about your area, but around here these trials fill fast. If it's full and you don't get in, go anyway and watch to learn how it all works.
 
I agree with this to a certain extent - it really depends on the dog. MOST dogs this would be fine. Asha doesn't like strangers, much less me handing her off to them. In our very first trial if I had released her, she would have gone a ways after the lure, then turned and come back to me (it's what she did in the 600 yd Cat trial, so pretty sure she would have done the same in a Fast Cat). @Ddski5, this would be a non-qualifying run. They have to go from start to finish, the timer starts at point A and ends at point B. If they run 3/4 of the way and turn around and come back, it's a NQ. If she had run all the way down the field in a Fast Cat and a stranger was there to pick her up, she would have never gone to them, instead would have run the 100 yards back to me. If I'd left her with a stranger and gone to the pick-up end with a stranger holding her in the line of 4 or 5 dogs, half of which were screaming in desire to get the bunny, I think she would have turned inside out. I post about how tough she acts but defense is actually fear & self preservation and has to be channeled properly. So, know your dog. Ripley has been in crowds of strangers all throughout her biggest learning curve 1st year. You did everything and way more than I wanted to, and have a way better tempered dog genetically. I think Frejya would be good with strangers but Ragnar may be more like Asha. I pretty much had to encourage the prey drive in Asha and she caught on and has learned to go crazy over it now. If I was to critique her personality, even at 4 months old the prey drive was weak and the defense way too high & reactive. My recommendation would be for @Ddski5 to take family for pick up and to release the dogs himself, at least the first time, see how they handle the atmosphere and go from there for the next time.


You should be excited! It's more fun than anything your dogs can do. I was pretty disappointed after my first run because of Ashas non-interest and looking for me instead of chasing the lure, but believe me, once she got the game in her head, she's totally out of control now before starting.

Another thing is most of the time you can request that the dogs not run close together in run order so you have time to get one ready, stand in line, run him/her, get back to the car, water and cool out that dog before you have to get the next one under way. If you make it a family affair with plenty of help this isn't a problem, but if you are by yourself it could be overwhelming for your first trip to the "races".

The title BCAT is the first one for Fast Cats. You get this after accumulating 150 points, each point is a mph. So for simplicity, if your dog ran 25 mph 4 times, that would be 100 points. You go to another trial and did 25 mph 2 more times that would be 150 and you get your BCAT title. My first 2 runs were 9 mph and about 20 mph so I got 29 points toward my BCAT. Hope this helps. Go to AKC Fast Cat Rules online to read all the details.

Enter up, keep asking questions. I don't know about your area, but around here these trials fill fast. If it's full and you don't get in, go anyway and watch to learn how it all works.
Of course, know your own dog and situation first! I was just mentioning it as a fact of how these events are, not that he had to follow it lol 😁
 
Would love to try it also because Bruce is a nut for bunny’s or anything in his yard lol but he is not the best with other dog 50% of the time..
 
@Ddski5 I think you can do your own 'practice' runs. @Ravenbird makes a good point about a dog running almost all the way there and then not crossing the finish line.

With Rubie, I know she is going to cross the finish line because she wants the 'bunny' so I am the releaser because I can handle her better at the start line. The first time running Moose, I knew he would care less about the lure but would want to come to ME. My husband was the releaser and I was the catcher. Gosh I looked like a dumb dumb; jumping up and down and screaming in a high pitched voice and clapping just to make sure he crossed the finished line (what am I saying, I STILL do that!).

if you still go to 'the fields,' just practice releasing them and having them run straight to another person and allow them to catch them with a leash. Just recall practice but some of the same moving parts as a FCAT trial. Run straight to the person calling you and allow them to catch you!

If they consistently run straight to one of your daughters without turning around, that should be your catch and release order. If they are looking for someone with more clout/authority and come straight to you, then that's your order. Be high energy on both ends (Moo loves when my husband says "GO GET MOMMY!!!" to get him amped up at the start line).

Be forewarned, after a run, when they reel the bunny back to the start line, dogs will STILL be amped up so make sure whomever is catching knows to keep a hold and anticipate it. They'll wait until you're out of the fence but Rubie is always more than willing to chase it down, either way.

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ALSO! And this is an etiquette thing that I've messed up a couple of times: when walking up and down the fence, keep a wide berth so as not to distract dogs that are running. Usually someone will yell at you to let you know but I try not to make myself a distraction if possible :thumbsup:
 
Would love to try it also because Bruce is a nut for bunny’s or anything in his yard lol but he is not the best with other dog 50% of the time..
You can do this - there really is very little close time with other dogs except when you are in line to start. If you can control or distract him, keep his attention on you, the run itself is dog free and fenced down the lane.

Good points @LifeofRubie!
 

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