AJ's Conformation/Rally/Barn Hunt Saturday and some lessons learned - October 14-15, 2023

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AJ had good weekend.

Saturday he got ribbons in three different sports. He started with Winners Dog in conformation and at the same show got his first Rally Master leg. We finished there by 9:30, so did a Day of Show entry at a Barn Hunt trial where he got one hundred Crazy 8s points.

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Sunday he got his second Rally Master leg with third place, then Best of Winners in conformation. He was in the ring with his breeder in Best of Breed. (Woman in front with orange coat - AJ is second from left sucking up to his handler instead of looking dignified.)

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The picture of AJ and me is lousy, so here's his Sunday ribbons.

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I'm now earning Rally Champion points and both shows were a disappointment because we need 91 to start earning points. The bright side is we now have two of the ten Qs we need for his RM.

He earned 87 points Saturday due to my not warming him up properly. He was in conformation (in the light rain), then I rushed him over to the Rally ring just in time. There were two dogs left by the time we got there and I did a hurried, very poor warm up which probably did more harm than good. AJ went into the ring confused and didn't start working until we were halfway through the course. An early sign was back up three steps and he insisted on turning around while doing it.

He earned 84 points Sunday and that's all on the judge. When I entered the trial, I was pleased to see Judge #1. She has good courses. She doesn't load up the course with difficult signs and uses easy to follow patterns. #1 had medical issues and we were informed by email that she was replaced by #2, a semi-retired judge in her 80s. #2 was sick Sunday and a last minute replacement was #3. #3 is also in her 80s, retired many years ago and had never judged Rally Master because she retired before Master was added.

#3 judged Rally like she was judging Obedience and dinged dogs for out of position and NQ'd a dog that from what I saw was qualifying. That dog went wide before returning to position and #3 walked towards the handler with the lead outstretched in her hand. The handler was confused and the judge said she was excused for lack of control.

A friend who is going for her RACH2 hesitated slightly on sign 7 - About Turn Right 180 degrees and I saw the judge write on her clipboard. She got an 87 for the run and couldn't understand it. I told her about Sign 7 and she was flabbergasted. She couldn't understand how she could have been dinged for a simple about turn. She had three 100s for the Triple Q the day before.

AJ had a good run Sunday. He was attentive and stayed by my side. He had one error on sign 304 - Call Front - Move 2 Side Steps Right - Finish Forward. We started practicing Master signs a few months ago and he got confused. When I called him Front, he continued circling me as if we were doing sign 216 - Halt - Dog Circles Right - Sit. When he went past me on the right, I told him Front and he went to Front after he finished his loop around me. I asked the judge why I got 84. She said that he circled me intead of going right to Front and gave me an Improperly Performed 10 point deduction instead of the 3 points that should have been given. She said the other six points were out of position. AJ was out of position if it was Obedience, but Rally is pre-Obedience and out of position has to be more substantial than AJ's OOPs which were mostly crooked sits from what I remembered.

I never take my dogs in the ring for pinnings unless told there will be photographs because there's no upside. The dog isn't required in the ring and things can go wrong. Very early in my career a woman came out of the ring after pinnings to the applause of her friends while beaming a huge smile because she got her title and a placement, and then her dog peed on the stanchion. The judge called her back in and took away her ribbons when he NQ'd her. Something like that happened Saturday. A friend won first place and was given her ribbons. The dog next to her lunged at her dog and her dog hacked up the treat she was given before going back in. My friend asked for a paper towel to clean it up and the judge NQ'd her for eliminating in the ring. They went back and forth on whether it should be an NQ, and the AKC rep got involved and said it was an NQ.
 
It sounds like you had a good day overall and it just show how much judges opinions can vary. I've seen some dogs go to the top one day with one set of judges and not place at all with different judges.

And RO should not be judged like regular OB period.
 
He had one error on sign 304 - Call Front - Move 2 Side Steps Right - Finish Forward. We started practicing Master signs a few months ago and he got confused. When I called him Front, he continued circling me as if we were doing sign 216 - Halt - Dog Circles Right - Sit. When he went past me on the right, I told him Front and he went to Front after he finished his loop around me.
I had to look it up because I can't quite picture what Aj did or didn't do. Not saying right or wrong, just trying to get it straight in my head. Here's 304, just curious how you got 10 points off.


All in all, it sounds like you had a great weekend with your dog. It's all about going out and having a good time. Thanks as always for helping us learn!
 
#3 judged Rally like she was judging Obedience and dinged dogs for out of position and NQ'd a dog that from what I saw was qualifying. That dog went wide before returning to position and #3 walked towards the handler with the lead outstretched in her hand. The handler was confused and the judge said she was excused for lack of control.
Uh, wow! Rally is supposed to be fun and not judged THAT harshly. The course should be moved smoothly, not precisely. Though you DO have to perform signs exactly how they say. But a dog going wide? That should have been OOP and docked a few points, not an NQ!
My friend asked for a paper towel to clean it up and the judge NQ'd her for eliminating in the ring. They went back and forth on whether it should be an NQ, and the AKC rep got involved and said it was an NQ.
This judge really should go back to retirement.

Congrats on your winnings, a true total dobe! I didn't know barn hunt did DOS!
 
Uh, wow! Rally is supposed to be fun and not judged THAT harshly. The course should be moved smoothly, not precisely. Though you DO have to perform signs exactly how they say. But a dog going wide? That should have been OOP and docked a few points, not an NQ!

This judge really should go back to retirement.

Congrats on your winnings, a true total dobe! I didn't know barn hunt did DOS!

Thanks! The Barn Hunt premium list states if DOS are accepted. Not all clubs take DOS.

The judge was consistent, so all were judged alike. Obedience OTCH points are based on placement, so having a very sharp pencil doesn't matter because the score doesn't matter, only placement. Rally RACH points are based on score. So there were a lot of handlers mad because they didn't get RACH points that they would have earned under a judge more familiar with Rally. I walked out of the ring thinking I got at least 5 RACH points and was very surprised to find out I had none.
 
I had to look it up because I can't quite picture what Aj did or didn't do. Not saying right or wrong, just trying to get it straight in my head. Here's 304, just curious how you got 10 points off.


All in all, it sounds like you had a great weekend with your dog. It's all about going out and having a good time. Thanks as always for helping us learn!

AJ did a circle around me then went to front, 450 degrees (360 + 90). The rule for the sign states "calls the dog to front". AJ did go to front with only two commands, the initial one when I stopped and the second that I gave him to go to front when he was 180 degrees into his circle. We didn't perform the sign wrong which is the usual reason for an IP. If AJ did a loop in front of me instead of around me, it would be the same deduction, not an IP.

Yes, it was a good weekend and I'm happy. Glad you like my comments.
 
Uh, wow! Rally is supposed to be fun and not judged THAT harshly. The course should be moved smoothly, not precisely. Though you DO have to perform signs exactly how they say. But a dog going wide? That should have been OOP and docked a few points, not an NQ!

This judge really should go back to retirement.

Congrats on your winnings, a true total dobe! I didn't know barn hunt did DOS!
I got this email today stating the club takes DOS entries.
 

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I wish AKC would do the same but I imagine it can be a schedule nightmare.
I know with our UKC club there are a ton of DOS entries and it really can get overwhelming. I always pre-enter so I don't have to get up so early to do DOS. LOL
 
Well it's good to see they went back and corrected it anyway.

I recently heard an opposite case in UKC where the judges let a certain breed (I forget which now) enter the wrong class and this judge caught it. The people said that was always the class they entered and this judge said they were all breaking the rules then. This was conformation, FWIW.
 
I just saw this today! Was this as a result of her specifically or just good timing?
This is the second time in forty one years I've seen it, so the odds are that it's her. I saw the trail secretary last night and she told me that the handler was burning up the phone lines as well as posting on Facebook.

I know the handler. I gave the handler her first title when she got her CGC three or four years ago. She then went to a Rally match and entered her dog for fun. She got hooked on Rally and is working on her RACH3. I can understand how she'd fight for her Q because she needs twenty triple Qs for each RACH, and her entry fees were at least seventy dollars.

A benefit of being a CGC evaluator and judges is I meet and stay in touch with many nice people.

I was trying to remember the first incident I saw about twenty years ago. It may not have been the pinning. I was outside the ring waiting for my class and remember her beaming as she came out of the ring not paying attention to her dog, and her dog lifted his leg on the stanchion. I remember the judge calling her back in and talking to her for a while. Because of the cheering and clapping by her friends, I may have misremembered it as the pinning.
 

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