An intruder breaks in...what would your dog do?
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Outside of the door decals alerting one to the presence of a doberman, and of course, the ransacked mess (doggie dead giveaway) that Crutch leaves in his wake, you'd probably never know a doberman existed inside the house. He'll hide every time. That little 12lb brown/white Jack Russell on the other hand might just chew your shoelaces off if you did just come in all uninvited like that!! :shakinghead:
Interesting and have to admit I've wondered what exactly would happen if this scenario ever came up at our residences. I'm sure the burglar would leave nice and well cleaned from all the kisses.
shadash
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If Daisy was by herself I doubt she'd do anything. If the burglars got in and were aggressive with her they might have a problem.
If I was sleeping in bed and burglars were walking around they house they would be in trouble. We actually have to monitor this very closely when relatives/friends/family spend the night. Usually we just close Daisy's crate to avoid problems.
One time my wifes parents were spending the night and opened our door to ask about something. Within seconds Daisy went into aggressive mode. She's not trained to bite so I don't think that would be the result if the intruder kept pushing. But either way when a 60+ pound dog means business you have to be careful.
If I was sleeping in bed and burglars were walking around they house they would be in trouble. We actually have to monitor this very closely when relatives/friends/family spend the night. Usually we just close Daisy's crate to avoid problems.
One time my wifes parents were spending the night and opened our door to ask about something. Within seconds Daisy went into aggressive mode. She's not trained to bite so I don't think that would be the result if the intruder kept pushing. But either way when a 60+ pound dog means business you have to be careful.
iceman
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Well...you have answered your own question with your last remark..
Any dog can show protective aggression to a stranger but showing aggression is one thing, taking it to the next level and attacking when pushed is another.
Training is absolutely necessary to show the later behaviour, but the dog has to have that fight drive in him/her to start with..
shadash
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I agree with you 1000% but for me a Doberman is just the first line of defense. Next comes the switchblade I bought at a drive through liqueur store in Yuma AZ and finally the fire extinguisher (ala Gelcoater) ;-) So watch out.
Interesting. The last test they had would have been aced by both of our dogs, on all counts. They haven't been protection trained but they're always alert and luckily we haven't had any events where we would know how they'd react if someone broke in.
JerseyFirefighter
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The chi's are the early warning devices, and the dobie is the audible deterrent. After that, I'm sure jäger would be more interested in showing a perp where we keep the treats. Then again, we haven't been tested having a true sense of potential danger so who knows. Then theres always Smith and Wesson riding atop his trusty 12 gauge steed.
We've seen this video before,my opinions have not changed.
The test is somewhat bogus.
Two are by themselves,one is with its owner.
The commentator says something to the effect the dog kept looking to its owner for direction and looked confused?
Maybe he was?He had little training.Imo he did what he was supposed to,look to the owner/handler for command,and when given he acted.
We have yet to see one of these tests with a Doberman.
My comment from the other thread also stands
Hey!Mike Mendoza!!
I volunteer my house and 2 Dobermans for the next test!!!
**Of course a document releasing me of any liability of personal injury to Mr.Mendoza will be required**
The test is somewhat bogus.
Two are by themselves,one is with its owner.
The commentator says something to the effect the dog kept looking to its owner for direction and looked confused?
Maybe he was?He had little training.Imo he did what he was supposed to,look to the owner/handler for command,and when given he acted.
We have yet to see one of these tests with a Doberman.
My comment from the other thread also stands
Hey!Mike Mendoza!!
I volunteer my house and 2 Dobermans for the next test!!!
**Of course a document releasing me of any liability of personal injury to Mr.Mendoza will be required**
iceman
Active Member
We've seen this video before,my opinions have not changed.
The test is somewhat bogus.
Two are by themselves,one is with its owner.
The commentator says something to the effect the dog kept looking to its owner for direction and looked confused?
Maybe he was?He had little training.Imo he did what he was supposed to,look to the owner/handler for command,and when given he acted.
We have yet to see one of these tests with a Doberman.
My comment from the other thread also stands
Hey!Mike Mendoza!!
I volunteer my house and 2 Dobermans for the next test!!!
**Of course a document releasing me of any liability of personal injury to Mr.Mendoza will be required**
It doesn't mater if the dog is on its own or with the owner..point is how do they act if an intruder breaks into their property.
After all, a guard dog should be able to do his/her job of guarding without owner/trainer being present..
The point made in this video is that any dog will make a noise to a stranger, but will they take it into the next level and put up a fight if they were put under pressure?
As much as we would like to think they would....
Unless they have the nerve & been trained, they will NOT!!
You don't think a dog would act differently if the owner is there vs not there?
Please don't take this the wrong way but I wish you lived closer,we could test your theory.
iceman
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You don't think a dog would act differently if the owner is there vs not there?
Please don't take this the wrong way but I wish you lived closer,we could test your theory.
What i am saying is, if the dog has the nerve and is trained, he/she should be able to do his/her job without the owner/trainer being present.
What is your point that I seem to be missing?
My point,from the first post was the test is skewed.
Either test all 3 in equal circumstances or face criticism because of an unequal playing field.
As far as the rest,still haven't seen a similar test with Dobermans.
Mine isn't "trained" to bite or protect,yet possesses the desire.
I don't think you or anyone else strange to my dogs would make it more than 3 steps through the front door without bleeding.
We have several so Cal members here,anyone want to come over and make an attempt?
I can put a $100 bill on the bar,come in and pick it up without a dog latched to some part of you and it's yours.
Tasha & Boris' Mom
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For the most part I am pretty sure they would wait in anticipation of treats and a good romp 
. We actually were talking about this last night. I have many many grown children that are random in and out visiting and the such, last night I was lying on the couch and Josh came in and the dogs, stood up and immediately tails (butts) going, we were in the basement so I suppose they knew his 6'4 240 stomp as he was headed down stairs, James had lagged behind checking the mail and came in about 5 minutes later, I knew he was here but the dogs didn't and they both jumped to full alert as they heard the door quietly open, then they were immediately embarrassed as they realized it was James, all that to say this, I think they are a lot smarter than we give them credit for. mine seem to know when something isn't right, but I do think they are more geared to protect you then they are to guard when they are alone. Back in the 70's my dad had our first doberman, she was trained to protect the truck with his tools in it, no one could come near that truck if she was told to "watch it" so I know they can be trained do just about anything
. We actually were talking about this last night. I have many many grown children that are random in and out visiting and the such, last night I was lying on the couch and Josh came in and the dogs, stood up and immediately tails (butts) going, we were in the basement so I suppose they knew his 6'4 240 stomp as he was headed down stairs, James had lagged behind checking the mail and came in about 5 minutes later, I knew he was here but the dogs didn't and they both jumped to full alert as they heard the door quietly open, then they were immediately embarrassed as they realized it was James, all that to say this, I think they are a lot smarter than we give them credit for. mine seem to know when something isn't right, but I do think they are more geared to protect you then they are to guard when they are alone. Back in the 70's my dad had our first doberman, she was trained to protect the truck with his tools in it, no one could come near that truck if she was told to "watch it" so I know they can be trained do just about anything
You really don't have to take that attitude.
If you can't see the difference in the test models....
Can you at least see the lack of knowledge on the part of the commentator?
The dog with owner did just as it should have IMO,look to the handler for command.It did not look "confused" to me?
And....
As a matter of fact,a few years ago a member here had her dogs stop a dirtbag,they both jumped into action to prevent their owner from being attacked and probably car jacked in a parking lot.....zero training to do so.
Tasha & Boris' Mom
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I agree Gel I don't see "nerve" that would imply they are bullies, I think it has more to do with their perception of the situation. If someone is breaking into your house and encounters a doberman most people will have a surge of adrenaline and project fear, the dogs sense this and reacts. There is nothing my dogs get into more than something that runs from them. I believe they also sense your fear if they are with you which causes them to react. In a training situation where there is no reactions then of course they are gong to look to the trainer for direction if they are obedient trained. These test are hard to do in my opinion because they can't re-create a scene of reality since the actors know the dogs are there they are not creating the same conditions as real life.
iceman
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There is no attitude..I just have to take what you say...hence my remark "if you say so"
obviously we have different opinion on this, so let's agree to disagree and put this to rest..
You only have to worry about getting bitten by Ladybug if you try to be nice to her and pat her. Hans will probably give you the combination to the safe for a pizza crust.
I didn't watch the video because I'm fairly certain I saw it before. Untrained dogs don't work as "attack" dogs...
I didn't watch the video because I'm fairly certain I saw it before. Untrained dogs don't work as "attack" dogs...
