Is a doberman right for my family?

nevada

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I am inquiring as a potential family for a doberman. I have been doing a lot of research on dogs and breeds to determine the best fit for my family. I want to discuss a few things with doberman owners and see what they think.

I am seriously interested in the doberman because in objective evaluations of breed types, it clearly meets our criteria better than other types of dogs. It is a stand-out match to what we're looking for. Despite this, I didn't start my search with a doberman in mind. Although I think the doberman is hard not to admire, I never really imagined myself as a doberman owner before.

The doberman image -- I grew up watching Magnum PI. I can't help that Zeus and Apollo formed part of my impression of dobermans, but of course I realize the element of fantasy there and I don't consider that to be reliable information about the doberman. Besides, my house hardly looks like Robin Master's estate so against a very different backdrop, Zeus and Apollo would almost certainly lose some of the glamour.

When I was a single person, I rather fancied myself as more the sporting dog type. Remember the show "Airwolf" with Stringfellow Hawke and his bluetick coonhound? Well, I mistook it for a German Shorthaired Pointer and thought it would be cool to live in a mountain cabin with such a gentleman's gun dog. It seems foolish now but who can say they've never been swayed by the images of Grey's Sporting Journal? The reality is when I did hunt birds I never used a dog but if I had I would have hated how far those pointers work from their handler. A brittany or one of the spaniels would be far more satisfying to me but their image is more of a much less rugged gentleman. Nevermind though because I don't hunt anymore.

The reality is I have a typical suburban lifestyle. I have a wife and two children (2 and 3) and I go to work 8 hours a day. Fortunately I live in a rural area and I commute a mile down a country road so I can come home for lunch every day. Despite all that I've still got a four bedroom house on 0.2 acres. I live in a tract house with masonite siding and all my neighbors houses are jammed up together like barracks. Nevertheless, we've got plenty of parks and open space just down the road.

Before I got in this situation, I've had some experience with dogs in the past. I grew up with a dalmatian and a border collie. I've also lived with two great pyrenes, and I've cared for a rottweiler, an OES, and a few mutts. The rest of my family has never had a dog before.

We've determined that we know we don't want a lap dog or a toy dog. My wife wonders what a dog is good for if he can't protect you -- she wants a protection dog, but I haven't limited our search on that criteria alone. She also wants minimal shedding. So do I but we would be willing to accept some shedding as long as we didn't have to change our entire wardrobe into nylon suits only.

I seriously considered some low-shedding shaggy dogs like the Bouvier, the Giant Schnauzer and the Black Russian Terrier or even the Briard. The Bouvier's indoor activity level and excercise requirements matched us best but we decided that the long shaggy fur of any of these dogs wouldn't work for us. If the dog ever got outside the house, he'd probably be permanantly banned by my wife from ever coming in again.

Excercising the dog with a jog or a bike ride to the park and a runaround the park everyday is not a problem for us, but if the dog absolutely needed 2 hours or more a day of excercise away from the house, we probably couldn't offer that. We can do a lot more on weekends but the reality during the week is I go to work, and my wife and kids have a lot of other things to do -- mostly at home. Our backyard is based on a 0.2 acre lot so the dog can play but not really excercise out there.

I know some dogs are the other half of their owner's life but we can't offer that. The dog has to fit into the whole family and while he'll probably never be left at home alone, he won't be the center of attention. He will be in the house with us though.

We're not just looking for a companion or family dog. We want a working dog and we have a job for him to do. His job is to protect the family and our property, and to help us raise our boys (2 and 3 years old now) by demanding strong leadership, command and control from all his human masters. Personally, I'm not the defensive type or seeking a defensive weapon but I can appreciate a dog that has the desire and capability to protect. For me, I see the greatest value in a dog that demands authority and responds to it magnificently.

Everyone in my family is very gentle and we would not naturally be assertive or dominate -- we would have trouble with a willful dog if we did not conscientously rise to meet the need. This is something I want. I want a dog that will challenge us if we fail to maintain command, control and leadership. I do not want a dog that will just acquiesce in submissiveness. To me, it is a postive quality when the dog works to ensure there is a strong leader in the family even if it means he makes some trouble for the weak-willed. I appreciate what I understand about the Doberman's sensitivity and responsiveness but I'm skeptical that he would challenge us to show leadership as much as say a Giant Schnauzer. Nevertheless, there is nothing we would enjoy about a continual on-going power struggle. Provided we demonstrate leadership, we need the dog to submit and obey.

We want to train the dog to an advanced level of obedience so we want a dog that is intelligent enough that training can be an ongoing thing that continually makes progress because we are able to advance further and further without coming to the dog's limits. We would enjoy a dog capable of advanced obedience, commands in multiple languages, reading hand and body signals, and performing well off-leash. Training for these purposes would be one of the ongoing activities we do with our dog whom we expect to need mental stimulus.

Because I believe the Doberman matches what we're looking for so well, perhaps my greatest remaining concern is about how he might connect with my 2 year old son. Both my boys are very gentle, peaceful and sensitive. A lot of breed profiles rank compatibility with children based on boisterous, rowdy and abusive kids but mine are far from that. I am more concerned about how well a Doberman would really connect with my gentlest and affectionate son. My 2 year old will especially enjoy a dog. I am sure that he would ultimately prefer to have a great friend and not just a servant or even an opponent in a competition of wills. I would give up a lot of what we hope for from a dog to make sure my little boy gets a friend. As an experienced Doberman owner, what do you think?
 
Well, each dog is different and has their own personalities. While neither of my dobes were raised around children, the first (since passed) didnt seem to interested in them, but didnt hate em. Lexi my new girl, LOVES KIDS. But she also, is very hyper and tends to bowl them over. Keep in mind, dobermans are velcro dogs. They WANT/NEED to be with their owners...mine...always underfoot...got to follow you everywhere. And while I said, all dogs are different, I think for the most part most Dobes are VERY strong minded...so If you are not comfortable asserting yourself or your kids are not good about making the dog mind..probably not a good idea. Is this going to be your first dog ever? As a first time dog owner..I would be wary. I wouldnt consider the doberman a "beginner" dog. You want a dog to challenge you..but you are also wary of being assertive...But have you considered if you failed to meet a strong minded dog and the consequeces? It could be a bad thing.

I am glad you are putting so much thought into this. Very responsible. And while I always like to hear someone being interested in the Doberman, they can be a challenge. But like I said, every dog has its own personality and could be you find one that fits you too a tee.
 
Well, each dog is different and has their own personalities. While neither of my dobes were raised around children, the first (since passed) didnt seem to interested in them, but didnt hate em. Lexi my new girl, LOVES KIDS. But she also, is very hyper and tends to bowl them over. Keep in mind, dobermans are velcro dogs. They WANT/NEED to be with their owners...mine...always underfoot...got to follow you everywhere. And while I said, all dogs are different, I think for the most part most Dobes are VERY strong minded...so If you are not comfortable asserting yourself or your kids are not good about making the dog mind..probably not a good idea. Is this going to be your first dog ever? As a first time dog owner..I would be wary. I wouldnt consider the doberman a "beginner" dog. You want a dog to challenge you..but you are also wary of being assertive...But have you considered if you failed to meet a strong minded dog and the consequeces? It could be a bad thing.

I am glad you are putting so much thought into this. Very responsible. And while I always like to hear someone being interested in the Doberman, they can be a challenge. But like I said, every dog has its own personality and could be you find one that fits you too a tee.

Well said,I'd add that I've had 4 dobes and the main quality for me is that they were designed to be and excell at being companions.They won't be happy alone iin the yard,garage or basement,they want to be where you are,much more so than a lab,etc.They are very intelligent and more than capable of manipulating a "softy"owner,but thrive on interaction and training.It's vital that everyone in the family is consistent with the rules,if something's unacceptable,EVERYONE must say no,if one lets it up on the couch and another yells no the next time,you're going to have big problems! As long as everyone's consistent,I'd expect your sons to find a loving protective friend with the biggest concern not to be accidently knocked down when playing.You may consider a rescued dobe,most rescues will really evaluate temperment if a dogs going to a home with small children and all my dobes have been rescued,all wonderful dogs.Good luck!!! Please keep us updated!!!!,Don
 
Good of you to do your homework!! For a first time possible Doberman Owner with 2 very young children I would also suggest checking into a rescue dobergirl who has been raised with kids.
I do love this breed, but I know they are not for everyone. This breed must be in your 'space', some people do not like that.
 
I am so pleased to read all that and see someone who is putting so much time and thought into dog ownership! Well done. Everyone here should give you their thoughts and experiences with this grand breed, because they will be as varied as we are! But some things with this breed are a given: A stature that is usually respected without doing a thing! A loving, Velcro dog that loves his family and prefers them above all else. Not a non shedding dog, but one in my opinion, that is soooo easy to care for! A highly intelligent dog that trains easily and will challenge you! Just keep in mind that ANY dog will challenge a weak owner. Always be the Pack Leader and expect more and you will get it!

When I was looking for my first larger dog (I had Pomeranian's) I did my homework too (way before I had internet!;)) With my sister's help, we narrower it down to the Doberman, a Burmese Mountain dog and something else that I can't remember! lol I really preferred the coat of a Doberman and the look of them was so much like the horses I loved! I LOVE my choice!

Even with all the traits that are usually constant within the breed, what's been said here is true...all are different and have different personalities and drives. You have to determine what you are looking for and discuss it with your breeder. My currant Doberman, Buddy, was 7 months old when we got him. We went to a breeder for a pup but fell for him because of his sweet nature. We have 3 year old twin grandchildren and they were our biggest concern. Above all else, I wanted a Dobe that I could trust with them. He is wonderful! That said of course, I would NEVER totally trust any dog alone with them. Little children tend to be quick and fall a lot. ANY dog might feel threatened at some point. It's just a good practice to never let your guard down, totally. I have NEVER seen any sign of threat with Buddy (even with two kids hugging him at once! :)) but I will always be watchful around the kids.

I'm glad you joined here and I think if you read up on the many threads here you will see a wide array of experiences and get some great information to help you with your choice. Good Luck and Welcome! :)
 
WOW don't we wish everyone would give such carefu thought and info about themselves. I commend you for that. I was a little confused by your statement that you are calm gentle folks and want a dog to challenge you into the leadership role. At least that is how I read it. For a Doberman which is a domonant breed they need to know the rules from the beginning. They will challenge you and if you are not consistent in training and follow through it could be a problem. For first time dobe owners I always demand that they take obedience classes to get started off on the right foot. Also based on the info you gave I would only recommend a female. Good luck with your search.
 
We got our Doberman as our first ever dog. We'd both had dogs as kids, but never on our own. Owning a Doberman can be a huge, huge challenge. Especially for a novice dog owner. To be honest, I'm not sure I'd recommend one as a first time dog. I am home with mine all day, and she is a huge challenge. I'm not saying all Dobes are like that, but they are certainly harder to own than a lot of breeds. If you're willing to put in the work they are amazing, but they are not easy dogs.
 
As for the issue of discipline in command, control and authority, I'm not sure I was clear. Nobody in my family, myself included has a personality like a drill sargeant that feels natural always barking orders, but I'm not intimidated by a dog that needs the law laid down. I have plenty of experience with willful animals. It's been a while since I've had a dog of my own by I've handled plenty of stubborn horses. As parents of two toddlers, my wife and I don't fail to appreciate the need to maintain authority with consistency. I want my sons to learn the same but I cannot practically expect my 2 year old to consistently dominate the dog.

I've heard some people describe the doberman as a "one man dog." I can definitely see the Doberman considering himself to be "my dog." No one else in my family has more confidence to deal with the dog with total authority -- they have no experience. While I would like the dog to challenge my sons to do just that, the fact is the Doberman would definitely recognize that I am the one in charge. I would be doing almost everything to care for the dog and to train him and in his mind he would be my dog and whenever I left the house he would probably consider himself to be on assignment from me to guard the house and family until I return. Since I come home for lunch, I'm never gone more than a few hours. While I am gone I am sure he would be friendly and affectionate toward my wife and sons but he wouldn't feel satisfied and fulfilled until I came home. I get the sense that the Doberman would bond tightly to me and while he wouldn't mistreat my family I doubt such a tight bond would be formed with them. I can see how it would be counterintuitive for the Doberman to form a strong bond with anyone besides the one it has learned to trust for the things it depends on. I think I need to try to understand how a herding dog like the German Shepherd might relate to my family differently and whether that wouldn't work better for us or not. As a person who's enjoyed the tight bond of a doberman you'd probably know what I would be missing as an individual, but I think I would be willing to forsake that, the elegant looks, and deal with a lot more shedding if a GSD will make a better friend for my son.
 
As for the issue of discipline in command, control and authority, I'm not sure I was clear. Nobody in my family, myself included has a personality like a drill sargeant that feels natural always barking orders, but I'm not intimidated by a dog that needs the law laid down. I have plenty of experience with willful animals. It's been a while since I've had a dog of my own by I've handled plenty of stubborn horses. As parents of two toddlers, my wife and I don't fail to appreciate the need to maintain authority with consistency. I want my sons to learn the same but I cannot practically expect my 2 year old to consistently dominate the dog.

I've heard some people describe the doberman as a "one man dog." I can definitely see the Doberman considering himself to be "my dog." No one else in my family has more confidence to deal with the dog with total authority -- they have no experience. While I would like the dog to challenge my sons to do just that, the fact is the Doberman would definitely recognize that I am the one in charge. I would be doing almost everything to care for the dog and to train him and in his mind he would be my dog and whenever I left the house he would probably consider himself to be on assignment from me to guard the house and family until I return. Since I come home for lunch, I'm never gone more than a few hours. While I am gone I am sure he would be friendly and affectionate toward my wife and sons but he wouldn't feel satisfied and fulfilled until I came home. I get the sense that the Doberman would bond tightly to me and while he wouldn't mistreat my family I doubt such a tight bond would be formed with them. I can see how it would be counterintuitive for the Doberman to form a strong bond with anyone besides the one it has learned to trust for the things it depends on. I think I need to try to understand how a herding dog like the German Shepherd might relate to my family differently and whether that wouldn't work better for us or not. As a person who's enjoyed the tight bond of a doberman you'd probably know what I would be missing as an individual, but I think I would be willing to forsake that, the elegant looks, and deal with a lot more shedding if a GSD will make a better friend for my son.



Well, after all this ... I think you would make a good Doberman owner...you know what you want, dont seem to have issues with asserting yourself. Yes dobes can be one person dogs...but they are definately ONE FAMILY dogs. They would die for your family. Like I said, my first RIP girl could take or leave kids...but I found out one day another thing... A woman was in a parking lot and her little boy was acting up...she swatted his butt. He started screaming...my dog about came unglued. She wanted a piece of that woman. From that day forward..she would be "unhappy" if an adult made a child cry. LOL.

You should definately do research on selecting a puppy selecting for certain things ( and an experienced breeder will help you )
like for your family you want....smarts, calmness ( but not lazy ) NOT a dominate one...but not the submissive one either...middle of the road You want to see the puppy thinking and trying to work things out. Not scared of loud noises or unusual things...sounds or objects...

I know some people prefer a certain sex, but I think your best bet would be a female dog. for the most part ( in my opinion ) they tend to be easier to train...less aggressive. But like we have said...every dog is different..

Thanks for being a great researcher..and definately keep us informed either way...and dont feel, if you dont pick a doberman your not welcome here...you are..and we love pictures of all puppies ! Good luck in your search !!
 
Well, after all this ... I think you would make a good Doberman owner...you know what you want, dont seem to have issues with asserting yourself. Yes dobes can be one person dogs...but they are definately ONE FAMILY dogs. They would die for your family. Like I said, my first RIP girl could take or leave kids...but I found out one day another thing... A woman was in a parking lot and her little boy was acting up...she swatted his butt. He started screaming...my dog about came unglued. She wanted a piece of that woman. From that day forward..she would be "unhappy" if an adult made a child cry. LOL.

You should definately do research on selecting a puppy selecting for certain things ( and an experienced breeder will help you )
like for your family you want....smarts, calmness ( but not lazy ) NOT a dominate one...but not the submissive one either...middle of the road You want to see the puppy thinking and trying to work things out. Not scared of loud noises or unusual things...sounds or objects...

I know some people prefer a certain sex, but I think your best bet would be a female dog. for the most part ( in my opinion ) they tend to be easier to train...less aggressive. But like we have said...every dog is different..

Thanks for being a great researcher..and definately keep us informed either way...and dont feel, if you dont pick a doberman your not welcome here...you are..and we love pictures of all puppies ! Good luck in your search !!


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Everyone needs to be involved in the training so that no one has a issue with dominance. Especially the wife so an adult is always in control. They do tend to stick with one person more bot also respect the rest of the family and accept them 100%. The more you get the family involved the better results you will have.
 
My first Dobie was in the bedroom the moment my son was born. From that moment on, my son was my Dobie's kid!!! That silly dog stuck by him no matter what my child did. But I knew the instant my son was doing something wrong!!! My back door would open, and in would fly my Dobie and he would run and hide his head under the bed. It was like "IT IS NOT MY FAULT WHAT THAT BOY IS DOING"!!!!

I now have 3 Dobies, two females and a handsome male. My male is the easier one. He is so smart, obedient, and loving, to a point. Not that my girls aren't smart, but they are just a bit more of a handful to deal with. The girls tend to show a bit of jealousy. They both want to be the one closest to Mom when sleeping.

I would also recommend that you raise your Doberman (if you choose to be owned by one) with some kind of small animal, like a kitten or such. I have always raised mine around other small creatures, and have never had one that has hurt a smaller creature. One of my girls was not raised with small animals, and now I worry about my cats, and I have been keeping them separated. It's that pack mentality that I worry about.

Dobermans are not the easiest pup to be owned by. They are NOT outside dogs, although they do love to go out and play. They are very much a big part of a family. They must have lots of interaction with humans. They also must always know who is really the Alpha (and that must be you). I make lots of mistakes with mine, but I learn something from them each day. They do love to be told what to do, and they will usually go along with what you tell them. But they are theives!!!! They will steal anything they can think of to steal. They do this for attention!!!

If you are thinking of getting a Doberman because you want a loving companion, you will have found that. But also remember, it is like living with an eternal 2 year old child for the rest of the Dobie's life. Dobermans are the worst and the best dog in the world!!!! It takes a special type person to be able to love them for what they are and not to expect them to be "just another dog."

They will make you laugh like no other dog can. But they will also try your patience to the point of making you want to just beat the hell out of them (kinda like I have felt about my kids as they were growing up), but I never hit one of my kids and I would never hit one of my Dobies. But I have a spray bottle of water available at all times!!!!

For me, there is no other dog that I would care to share my life, bed, car, kitchen, and yes, they follow me into the bathroom too (I told you they are like 2 year old children), but I knew their weird idiosyncrasies when I decided to get one back in my life. Now I have three, and it is like having 2 year old triplets!!!! Not exactly something I would wish on most people, but I just hope I can meet their challenge. I sure try.

Good luck on your choice of pups, and I am so happy you are exploring what would be the best fit for your family. I will also point out that females are a bit easier on leash. My male is good if we use the gentle leader, but because he is just about the same size as me, he can pull me down if that is not used. I am thankful for having a big back yard. And one more thing, do not be upset when a Dobie accidentally destroys your sofa or eats one of your visors in your car. They didn't do it to make you miffed, it is more like "see!!!! This is what I do when you go off and leave me or don't give me enough attention"...

Most people that share their life with a Doberman are not materialistic people...if we were, we would have instead gotten a dog statue...
 
I am inquiring as a potential family for a doberman. I have been doing a lot of research on dogs and breeds to determine the best fit for my family. I want to discuss a few things with doberman owners and see what they think.


The doberman image -- I grew up watching Magnum PI. I can't help that Zeus and Apollo formed part of my impression of dobermans...


We've determined that we know we don't want a lap dog or a toy dog. My wife wonders what a dog is good for if he can't protect you -- she wants a protection dog, but I haven't limited our search on that criteria alone. She also wants minimal shedding. So do I but we would be willing to accept some shedding as long as we didn't have to change our entire wardrobe into nylon suits only...

We're not just looking for a companion or family dog. We want a working dog and we have a job for him to do. His job is to protect the family and our property...

We want to train the dog to an advanced level of obedience so we want a dog that is intelligent enough that training can be an ongoing thing that continually makes progress because we are able to advance further and further without coming to the dog's limits. We would enjoy a dog capable of advanced obedience, commands in multiple languages, reading hand and body signals, and performing well off-leash. Training for these purposes would be one of the ongoing activities we do with our dog whom we expect to need mental stimulus...

... As an experienced Doberman owner, what do you think?

Crap! You type more than me! LOL! Welcome to the site! :D

I cut parts out of your post so you would know what parts I am replying to here... Just to be clear.

I have raised 3 Dobies in the past and we are currently raising two Doberman puppies. Owning a different breed is NOT an option for us. Dobermans are the best for what WE want in a dog.

Our Dobies LOVE Magnum PI! We watch that all the time on the retro channel and they dig that show... :)

Dobermans were born and bred to protect. THAT is what they were created to do... They are clean as heck and shed little to none. A healthy Dobie has nearly NO smell or odor and they are great dogs for people with allergies or sensitivities to dander... :)

A properly trained Doberman works like a remote control. You should be able to snap your fingers to get their attention and them simply point and give the command. They will gladly do what you ask if trained properly. :)

Ours are learning commands in three languages currently. English, Cebuano, and German. They will not 'SIT' if you ask in english... I got a reason for this. They will also not 'STOP' if asked in english... I got a reason for this also. :)

I got kids also. Your Doberman will bond with them fine but YOU (as an adult) need to be in control and giving the orders/commands to the Dobie. I have NEVER had a Doberman show any of my kids the same level of respect that they show towards ME or the Wife. They do well and get along fine with the kids but WE call the shots and the Dobies have always responded to OUR commands much better than when the kids ask them to do stuff. :)

Dobie stole a pancake right out of one kids hand one day... Told the son that he should have been paying better attention. :D

As far as protection goes... I took the last Doberman out to go potty one day and the boys were outside playing 'good guy - bad guy'. I did not know they were outside playing in the yard then. The older son had on a ski mask at the time - He was the 'bad guy' in their game... When the Doberman saw the son in the ski mask peek around the bush looking for his brother she went into ALERT and WARN mode instantly! The hair on her back stood straight up and she let out a growl and bark that would cause most folks to piss their pants and run... :)

I immidiately told the son to take his ski mask off and things were cool then... If it had been an 'unwanted' stranger in the yard then, I could have just as easily pointed and said, "Kill Him" and they would have been toast. That same Doberman would have QUIT and COME when given the commands with little to NO hesitation...

I have used our previous Dobermans to chase lots of stray dogs or other animals out of our yard in the past. When properly trained, they WILL do as you ask and they WILL STOP and return when you call. If you have the time and the patience to help them learn, A Doberman is MORE than smart enough to be able to handle protection work and the training involved.

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Our current girls look 'sweet' in this picture but before long they will be protecting our family and property just like all the Dobies before them have done. I KNOW what a properly trained Doberman is capable of and I EXPECT no less from these girls.

Dobies were born and bred to do a job. A good Dobie owner will KNOW this before hand and not train one to act like a bunny rabbit. A proper Doberman also require WORK on the part of the owner. If YOU are not willing to work to help your Doberman learn, you will never get what you seek from them... :)
 
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Hi there, no two dobies are the same, seen it with my bunch, got 7, they dont like strangers and does not seem to get along with small children, but I if they grow up together you would not have a problem. They are very loyal to their owners, and definately velcro dogs, personally my husband and i like the red dobies more, they are very proud dogs and much more intelligent, although they hate small dogs they get along fine with our four cats aswell. We had a dobie and rotiexdobie when my daughters were small, had no problem with either of my dogs with the girls, we taught them to respect the dogs and not to tease them. Respect for both animal and human is most important when you have big dogs.We are not dobie experts, were also still learning with 7 dobies in the house, one thing we know, respect and love your dobie and you will get the same respect and love back. Kind regards isis
 
As a dobermann breeder, I wish that more people put half as much thought into this as you have!
There are many of us out there that strive to breed for exactly what you have described. First and foremost, a dobermann should be loving and loyal to it's family and willing to guard it with it's life if necessary. That being said, don't be too sure that you will be the one that a dobermann puppy will bond with. They have a way of picking their owners for themselves. The respect will surely be given where due, but, you may find your wife being the one that the dog will truly bond to.
I raised my 3 children with my dobermanns for many years, as well as my yard cats. The dogs do very well with anything or anyone that they are convinced is a part of their 'pack'. It all depends on how the dog is raised.
I train my dogs for personal protection but also work them in competition obedience and conformation. They are definitely smart enough to know what each different situation requires, yet their guard is never fully down.
I wish you the best of luck on your search and hope that we have answered some of your questions here. We're always available to help!
 
I agree with all the comments here and wish to add one. Dobes are not the kind of dogs children can just roll around on the floor with. They are much too dignified for that kind of behavior and will be uncomfortable with it. Only when they are puppies will they play that way. Once they are grown, like everyone else has said, they have a job to do in their minds and that is to protect. So in that respect they never let down their guard enough to enjoy rough and tumble games with children. They will catch a ball if tossed to them but it's more of a skill thing than a simple game of fetch. My male, Hercules, will watch me holding a tennis ball, wait until I toss in in an arch over his head, leap, pose mid air for a picture and make a four point landing. It's like they know they are on stage at all times. They are also very smart. For instance, there can be twelve different colored balls in the other room and I can tell Hercules to go get his orange ball and that's exactly the one he brings to me. Dobes are definitely not yard ornaments or couch potatoes, although they do like to snuggle when they are tired. They think on their feet at all times and can be very commanding is they aren't correctly trained to respect and respond to their owners commands. I, too, teach several commands with words other than English. The reason is simple; I don't want anyone to be able to lure my guys away form my yard when they're out alone. I've never owned two dogs I was more afraid would be stolen owing to the mystique of the 70's and 80's that's surrounds them. All that having been said, I wouldn't own any other breed after having been owned by a dobe. Good luck to you in your search.
 
Our Doberman Kobe is 8 months old now. We have two boys ages 15months and 3. Hindsight i definitely would not have gotten Kobe at this stage with our kids. Kobe requires more supervision than our 1 year old. At 8 months old he is already 80lb. that is over double the weight of our 3 year old. when he is just walking by he knocks them over and he is rarely just walking by. Since we have two boys we have a crazy amount of toys and it is a constant struggle trying to teach Kobe what is his and what is not. We can give him 2 hours of exercise and he is still ready to go. My Husband works so I am home with all 3 during the day. It is like we instantly jumped to having 3 kids and honestly Kobe requires the most attention from me because the training is constant and has to be consistent. I do laundry when the 1 yr old is napping and Kobe is on the treadmill. Luckily I have a treadmill so I can still work him out if the weather is not permitting or when my husband is not home because it's not possible for me take him out for a walk with both boys. If we drop the ball on the exercise for more than a day or two I can tell he starts to get frustrated and a little more hyper than usual. He sheds quite a bit so the floors are a constant battle. The kids always have dog hair on their socks. They recognize your weaknesses and use them, not in a mean way just sneaky. Kobe knows that if i'm busy doing something with the boys that's his time to get into stuff. There is no down time. When the kids are in bed for the night then it's one on one time with the dog. It can be exhausting. I would recommend talking to your wife to make sure she's up for it since most of the work will fall on her. It can be done if you are committed. Don't get me wrong it's not bad it is just a tremendous amount of work with young kids. Kobe is super sweet and very loving and has become a wonderful part of our family. I am very committed to making sure he is a properly trained and getting what he needs and deserves from us. Dobermans are such amazing dogs and if you and your family give the time and energy to the dog, you will get it back 10fold. If you do get a dobe make your kids a part of the training from the beginning. And do your due diligence with researching the breeders.
 
I have to agree and comment on a few things that boehmeca said. I got my first Doberman when my kids were teenagers so I didn't go through a lot of the things she is going through now with Kobe. I also didn't get Buddy as a young pup (he was 7mos when we got him) but I've had pups before and remember those days! lol It IS like having another child and their size sometimes is an issue with a small child. They have to be taught to respect them and not run them over and that play time cannot be rough. That means a very watchful eye from an already busy mom!

We have twin grandchildren and when they are here, yes, making sure that Buddy doesn't think their toys are his, was a main concern!! Being watchful of that every day with a puppy has got to be a challenge! LOL Even the few times the twins were here, Buddy did get a couple of things in the beginning! I think he is VERY good about it, considering! But, boy, that was an issue. The biggest fear was getting our granddaughter's 'lovey'....her main squeeze! Any other toy, NOT that one!! omg. lol But so far, he's been good and she has also been taught that 'Buddy will get it' if she leaves it unattended or on the floor. Now with living with a 15mo and 3yo and all their toys? oh boy, LOL That's how moms get the eyes in back of their head! I think you are doing a great job with Kobe, scheduling your activities and his! :)

The one thing I work on with Buddy and the kids is respecting them on the staircase and walking down the hall....He is to stay behind us and NOT rush past so he doesn't knock them down. He must wait until they are up the stairs, following behind us until we are all up first. The kids have seen me do that drill so many times now they will stop on the stairs, turn around to Buddy, put up their hand *talk to the hand* lol and say, "Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaait, Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaait! :) :thumbsup:

It's not that all this cannot be done, but like what's been said here, it takes a lot of time and commitment and a family involvement. They are a wonderful breed, offering me everything I want in a dog! :)

And going along with what DoUrden said, I think they pick who they bond with. Our dogs have always been 'my' dogs! I was with them more and did most of the work and training. So I think that's understandable. Being home with your wife and kids more than you, my guess, it will be your wife. ;)
 
I have a male that just turned a year old. I almost thought that I made the wrong decision. He was a real brat and tested us many times. Now he is well behaved and a joy to have around. If my six year old daughter cries, he goes to her and sits with her until she is ok. He has done the same with me. We have a baby coming in July. I am confident he will adapt and learn his boundaries with the baby.
 
I have a male that just turned a year old. I almost thought that I made the wrong decision. He was a real brat and tested us many times. Now he is well behaved and a joy to have around. If my six year old daughter cries, he goes to her and sits with her until she is ok. He has done the same with me. We have a baby coming in July. I am confident he will adapt and learn his boundaries with the baby.
Aw....see, sometimes it's that adjustment period and a lot of sticking to training and then ya have the perfect dog! :thumbsup: Well done, and Welcome Amonition!
 

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