I guess that is something that could be true. The clinic didn't flag any abnormalities from her urine sample, but if it was something on it's way out already, maybe nothing was enough to be detected?
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That could be but I'm just speculating too.
I'll be looking forward to hearing about it - I'm sure she'll pass!
Thanks! This place hands out pup cups and Z knows it, so we will have to get there a little early and sneak that in before the evaluation starts
That's how I understood it. Only because I don't think there's anything that 'cures'. It just treats. Which means it will be ongoing the rest of their life.
@JanS and @jazzies mum have some experience with this. and I'm sure there's others. Is that true or were you able to treat incontinence and then stop the medication?
I didn't stop it but she was down to one tablet every 3 or 4 weeks.
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Jazz was on one a week for life. I did try gradually extending time between doses but this was the sweet spot.
Thank you. Good information .
And what was the prescription you were both using?
I recently helped at our little kennel club CGCA test. There were 3 dogs tested. On the off leash recall a dog food dish with a piece of hotdog was set about 6 feet off the direct path of recall. Two of the 3 dogs went to the dog food bowl (it had a screen over it so the dogs could not get the hotdog) and they did not leave it when told to, nor did they continue their recall. The third dog slowed and did a sniff circle but continued the recall to the owner. So recall with distraction failed 2 of 3 dogs that day. I think Z has a better background of obedience, but that might be a good thing to practice a couple of times since she knows sometimes treats happen at that place.Thanks! This place hands out pup cups and Z knows it, so we will have to get there a little early and sneak that in before the evaluation starts
While we aren't capable at this point of obedience in the sense of trials, I will say that Z has the best recall and willingness to respond to commands or even suggestions from me out of any of my dogs
. With that being said, she also has the highest drive for food of any of them too, so your suggestion is probably very well worth running through ahead of time. Our evaluator, if I recall correctly, uses kibble in a covered dog dish, at least for one of the tests, as I recall from Katyusha's evaluations. The pup cups come from the coffee shop that is inside a larger outfitter's store, and our standard operating procedure in the past has been that I let her be amped and get to the coffee part right away, she gets her pup cup as a "bribe" for good behavior, and then she's satisfied. So I feel pretty good that once that is done, she will behave well enough to pass, but the second food source will be new to her, so practice will be worthwhile. I ended up taking 4 days off prior to the tests, for general bonding time, finishing touches, and reinforcement for passing behaviors.
That's interesting. I remember back when we had Boris (our first Doberman) that the trainer has us walk the "trail of treats" and the dog had to ignore it. He did a good job since he wouldn't take treats from strangers but Olive would fail miserably. LOL
Katyusha has showed no further symptoms of incontinence, so I am thrilled about that. Maybe it was a once and done tail end of a UTI I was seeing, after all? I had the day off mostly to polish up the relationship between Z and I ahead of her tests, but that doesn't take the whole day, so I took Katyusha to the nursing home before z's training run. It was a very blessed day for her and I, and I think some residents, too.
I took Zastava to her CGCA and CGCU test location yesterday and today, not to cheat the system, but to reintroduce her to that particular store. I would love feedback from the rest of you who have trained and competed in nosework, but I feel like Z has a nose that is turned up to 11 all the time because of that training, and I would love to hear if anyone feels that with us. Both days went pretty great, as long as I let her sniff the whole store out first. After that, she could relax and give me some great long lead down stays with recall and down stays with me returning to her. Her "LEAVE IT" is strong, so I feel confident for the food distraction. All in all, she was calm at all times, complimented by many folks who said things like 'my dog could never do this'. We have had a great couple of days for moving into testing territory. I think we will take tomorrow off, then hit a short training Saturday, and hopefully be ready for evaluations Sunday, where we can hopefully wrap this all on a high note.
I took Zastava to her CGCA and CGCU test location yesterday and today, not to cheat the system, but to reintroduce her to that particular store. I would love feedback from the rest of you who have trained and competed in nosework, but I feel like Z has a nose that is turned up to 11 all the time because of that training, and I would love to hear if anyone feels that with us. Both days went pretty great, as long as I let her sniff the whole store out first. After that, she could relax and give me some great long lead down stays with recall and down stays with me returning to her. Her "LEAVE IT" is strong, so I feel confident for the food distraction. All in all, she was calm at all times, complimented by many folks who said things like 'my dog could never do this'. We have had a great couple of days for moving into testing territory. I think we will take tomorrow off, then hit a short training Saturday, and hopefully be ready for evaluations Sunday, where we can hopefully wrap this all on a high note.
Of course, if we have earned the right to pose with AKC community dog and AKC CGC urban ribbons, or either one, I will certainly share here first!
UKC has issued Zastava's Advanced Nosework title as of yesterday!
Now I have to decide if we want to keep running in Advanced class to get an advanced Championship, or, start right away on something more challenging by moving up to running in Superior class.
Now I have to decide if we want to keep running in Advanced class to get an advanced Championship, or, start right away on something more challenging by moving up to running in Superior class.
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Woot! Impressive!
Did you already post your CGCU elsewhere?
I'm curious about how you found the extra requirement vs the CGC you can often get at end of STAR puppy, and how the work benefiited an older dog.
I am thinking nosework is a good fit for Bonnie as she is already a good trailer and we play with it informally on off leash trail walks. She has picked up some ball possession probably watching the shepherds play at dog parks with BW and her pals, and now routinely finds old nasty ones in bushes and brings to me proudly...
Also working on extending her "leave it" which is very good by training better auto discretion on what NOT to pickup: dead birds especially. She's been to two rattlesnake trainings and knows that well...
now my goal is build in more on specific items so if I dont see her in the act, she is less likely to get hurt...with a positive base first...
You know, I may have put those in other threads, now I can't remember.
The CGCA is a little more distraction oriented, uses more distraction dogs, and uses more challenging situations for the dog while expecting pretty much the same results. What it doesn't do is ask for the 3 minute separation of handler and dog, and replaces that with being able to politely enter a doorway into a building.
The CGCU was some testing about transportation situations, showing that the dog can ride an elevator and use random staircases while remaining calm. Again, heavy on distractions as I recall. We had to show we can wait nicely to cross a street and then cross it under control.
Looking back on the CGCA and U tests, I feel like the primary benefit to both dogs was the training time we had preparing to be tested. Hours together, lots of positive reinforcements, and just practice. Just doing something together and apart from my other dogs. Kinda like dad and daughter dates. Of course, I think just having passes on those will help in the event of any argument with my home insurer (they ban
Dobermans, yet they know I have at least one Doberman, and renewed my policy anyway). Quite possibly it could help with just the general way that people comment on why would you have a dog like that, or whatever remarks. We keep practicing all the skills by being out in public a lot, especially taking advantage of things like watching parades together, or even being in them, seeking out dog welcoming crowds, etc.
The trick with nosework, (only speaking from our experience and no one else's) was to turn it away from the dog sniffing out things that are interesting to her, and turn it towards getting her interested in things that interest me. To get her to trust me to know that if she finds my things, she gets praise and reward. There is absolutely no benefit to her to finding a Morel mushroom, but if I harness her up in her nosework gear, and go to the wilderness, she knows that is one of the 3 things I have trained her on that she will be rewarded. One of the things I did while training her, was to work in the hardware store, and then eventually work our way up to having the hide placed for us in the dog food aisle. Her brain turns completely off of food now when I am asking her for our first 3 scents. Feel free to PM me if you want more details about how I got her started, and I have a couple videos still that I can share with you that were us doing our homework to send to the online class instructor.
Thank you, I will follow up privately.
CGCA or U is one of the trainings that are occasionally mentioned by some books by SD trainers; as part of the training process/skill set...
(Fwiw next would be the TSA or IAABC or similar Public Access Test and but note these not required by ADA)
@JanS can tell you its obvious which dogs earned the vest and which haven't...
So I've built a DIY SD (also allowed under US ADA) training track doing/practicing those things to the best standards...similar to corporate programs- see ADI in UK, Atlas in the US. Many books on Amazon explain more.
(@Corky ask your SD trainer about this once you get the basics down)
And @Katyusharocket you make a good point- all by itself worth it for anyone with a big strong guardian breed pet companion---the point of CGCU is real world training on how to be out and about with proper manners...bulletproof as you can with proof.
Even if someone does NOT give a hoot about ribbons, its of course the team bonding and functional job to purpose thats a given, with the cost of paperwork to get the certificate the price paid for risk/reward and ROI later from the independent credible test to standard that is useful in a later legal question.
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