Puking

[StateOfMine]

Flint has had 2 incidents about a week apart where he vomits what appears to be (I could be wrong) 2 servings of dog food at a time. This is weird, because I feed him between 8 and 12 hours apart.

He comes in from outside about 5 hours after eating, gulps water, then pukes. There were hard rock-like things in his puke the 2nd time. I could puncture them with my nail, but not squish them between 2 fingers, so not rocks.

My husband thinks they are bully stick pieces that he couldn't digest so he puked them up but I have no idea.

Flint is completely normal otherwise. Wants to run and play, will eat and drink. There are no other symptoms.

What in the hell is this and how is he vomiting dog food 5 hours after eating it? Isn't it in the small intestine after 2? Isn't that why it's okay to play 2 hours after they eat??

 

[Kswoodssue]

I would make sure he is pooping, and note changes there. (We have been watching way too much “Dr. Jeff, Rocky Mountain Vet”. He does a lot of bowel obstruction surgeries.)

 

[Ravenbird]

My husband thinks they are bully stick pieces that he couldn't digest so he puked them up but I have no idea.

Flint is completely normal otherwise. Wants to run and play, will eat and drink. There are no other symptoms.

That's a very good possibility- My dog gets a raw beef rib about once a week and sometimes she swallows a piece of the bone about as big as my little finger. It will come up about 8 hours later. If it can't break down in the stomach, the best thing the body can do is puke it up. Troubles are worse if it goes into the intestinal track - that's where blockage happens. If Flint gets lots of bully sticks, get a bully stick holder so he doesn't swallow the last small piece.

Also, if he chews sticks it could be pieces of wood.

 

[JanS]

get a bully stick holder so he doesn't swallow the last small piece.

Yes we use them and they make a huge difference.

 

[Two Dobes]

Love that you are 'pinching' pieces between your fingers I am so dilegent with puke and poop....always poking around in it when something foriegn is in there . Something many of us do, and it's completely normal to us. That and smelling things. Some of you may remember when Falcon did eat his ear roll as a pup, and my husband didn't know where it came from when he found it....I took one wiff and knew he had thrown it up!
My husband would/could NOT do this....

 

[Ddski5]

That really sounds like an obstruction issue.
Be glad it is coming up and not getting stuck in his intestines.
I would be very wary of what he is ingesting along with hoping he is popping every 24hrs.
You absolutely do not want an intestinal obstruction.

 

[Aaron56]

What in the hell is this and how is he vomiting dog food 5 hours after eating it? Isn't it in the small intestine after 2? Isn't that why it's okay to play 2 hours after they eat??

Agatha was the last girl I had to 'empty' out because she ate some crap she was not supposed to.

I emptied her out about 10 or 10:30AM and could clearly identify the carrot slices she had in her meal from the night before that she had at 8:30PM. Were still perfectly recognizable carrot slices (girl sucked them down instead of chewing them) more than 14 hours later...

The tummy does not work nearly as fast as you think.

 

[StateOfMine]

Update on this:

Apparently Flint cannot eat bully sticks at all now. I bought him one a few days ago with the intent to take the last 3 inches or so from him. I did without issue. Within 30 minutes of eating the bully stick he vomited. I have no idea what changed, he's always been able to handle them.

Most days he goes without puking. He poops normally. He eats fine and wants to play. He just vomits every now and then, but something is going on with bully sticks now I guess...

 

[BGpa]

Yeah, I'm not a fan of bully sticks as they seem to vary...are these the actual bull pizzle?
Or imitations made out of rawhide, etc.

The Cosrltco versions look legit but so brittle I worry that last bit swallowed whole can irritate or even cut the gut. Bonnie has times after when her poop is a little bloody, or she's cinstipated....cant be sure but much better since I cut those off.

Maybe Flint's Tummy tosses it right back cuz its become sensitive?

Maybe he's developed some sort of immune reaction to the ingredients.

I use Grok as a search engine for the sources cited but dont take for granted the interpretations are accurate...just a start to dig deeper.

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TBL, ask the vet.

 

[BGpa]

Agatha was the last girl I had to 'empty' out because she ate some crap she was not supposed to.

I emptied her out about 10 or 10:30AM and could clearly identify the carrot slices she had in her meal from the night before that she had at 8:30PM. Were still perfectly recognizable carrot slices (girl sucked them down instead of chewing them) more than 14 hours later...

The tummy does not work nearly as fast as you think.

Can you exolain exactly how the hydrogen peroxide/water mis is ratiod? Applyed? It sounds like a scary but old school, useful in an emergency solution...i'm a dobe noob but never heard of this in 60 yrs of a lot of dogs mostly rescues. Probly cuz they werent dobergoats or so tender in the gut.

 

[JanS]

Within 30 minutes of eating the bully stick he vomited. I have no idea what changed, he's always been able to handle them.

I wonder if the manufacturer changed the way they process them? I guess there is a difference.
I've always ordered from Bully Bunches or Sancho & Lola's Closet and ours have never had a problem with them.

 

[Kswoodssue]

I stopped them. Even with a bully buddy, she managed to get that last length loose and downed them in maybe 10 min. I turned around to stir something on the stove and it was gone! The last couple she had made her ill for part of a day.

 

[Aaron56]

Can you exolain exactly how the hydrogen peroxide/water mis is ratiod? Applyed? It sounds like a scary but old school, useful in an emergency solution...i'm a dobe noob but never heard of this in 60 yrs of a lot of dogs mostly rescues. Probly cuz they werent dobergoats or so tender in the gut.

No need to add any water. That would lessen its effectiveness. You also don't want old / stale peroxide if you can help it. That stuff can and does go stale over time and becomes less effective (you will need more to get the same result)...

Simply take regular 3% hydrogen peroxide that you would find at most any walmart and use whatever bulb / syringe you have to squirt an ounce to an an ounce and a half down their gullet as quickly as you can. The most I have ever needed was about 2 ounces worth for a particularly iron stomached adult dog... (75+ lbs worth of dog with iron stomach - Obviously you would not need as much for a smaller dog or one with a more sensitive tummy)

This bulb holds a smidge over 1 ounce and can squirt its contents FAST... A single bulb full usually works for me with my particular dogs and their size if the stuff is fresh.

Within 5 to 10 minutes that dog IS going to puke up whatever is in their tummy (including the peroxide). 15 to 30 or so minutes after them hacking up their contents they will be back to normal and you can feed them some proper dog food with no issues.

When I am in doubt - I IS going to get it OUT!

One time it was some (3 medium sized) metal wingnuts that I had to retrieve;

Another time some idiot visiting my work had spit out his tobacco pouches on the sidewalk right by the door I use for potty breaks and one of the girls slurped one down as soon as we got out the door and she spotted them. Tobacco / nicotine is way bad for dogs. Potentially fatal... Once I saw what was left (she did not manage to eat more than one before I was shooing her ass away and seeing what it was) and figured out what she just ate - I immediately got that garbage out of her;

Another time was because exactly HALF of the tennis ball was missing. Did she chew it up into small passable pieces or swallow the 'half' that was torn away in one big chunk??? While smaller bits 'might' pass out safely I was not so sure that a larger chunk would. Time to get that half ball back!

This list could go on for pages...

Same rules apply to stolen food as well in my house. If I set my plate down on the coffee table and go walk away for a minute to answer the door or whatever - MY food better still be there and better not have been messed with or else I IS getting that stolen food back!

The only time I have ever NOT 'retrieved' stolen food from a dog of mine was when one stole a half of a plate of home made enchiladas from me one time. Seeing as how that particular batch was way on the hot end of the scale (those things made me sweat and I got a tolerance built up to hot stuff so...) - I locked that girl in her crate for an hour instead of making her puke it up. No water bowl in there either.

That dog never stole any sort of food anything from me ever again.

 

[BGpa]

No need to add any water. That would lessen its effectiveness. You also don't want old / stale peroxide if you can help it. That stuff can and does go stale over time and becomes less effective (you will need more to get the same result)...

Simply take regular 3% hydrogen peroxide that you would find at most any walmart and use whatever bulb / syringe you have to squirt an ounce to an an ounce and a half down their gullet as quickly as you can. The most I have ever needed was about 2 ounces worth for a particularly iron stomached adult dog... (75+ lbs worth of dog with iron stomach - Obviously you would not need as much for a smaller dog or one with a more sensitive tummy)

This bulb holds a smidge over 1 ounce and can squirt its contents FAST... A single bulb full usually works for me with my particular dogs and their size if the stuff is fresh.

Within 5 to 10 minutes that dog IS going to puke up whatever is in their tummy (including the peroxide). 15 to 30 or so minutes after them hacking up their contents they will be back to normal and you can feed them some proper dog food with no issues.

When I am in doubt - I IS going to get it OUT!

One time it was some (3 medium sized) metal wingnuts that I had to retrieve;

Another time some idiot visiting my work had spit out his tobacco pouches on the sidewalk right by the door I use for potty breaks and one of the girls slurped one down as soon as we got out the door and she spotted them. Tobacco / nicotine is way bad for dogs. Potentially fatal... Once I saw what was left (she did not manage to eat more than one before I was shooing her ass away and seeing what it was) and figured out what she just ate - I immediately got that garbage out of her;

Another time was because exactly HALF of the tennis ball was missing. Did she chew it up into small passable pieces or swallow the 'half' that was torn away in one big chunk??? While smaller bits 'might' pass out safely I was not so sure that a larger chunk would. Time to get that half ball back!

This list could go on for pages...

Same rules apply to stolen food as well in my house. If I set my plate down on the coffee table and go walk away for a minute to answer the door or whatever - MY food better still be there and better not have been messed with or else I IS getting that stolen food back!

The only time I have ever NOT 'retrieved' stolen food from a dog of mine was when one stole a half of a plate of home made enchiladas from me one time. Seeing as how that particular batch was way on the hot end of the scale (those things made me sweat and I got a tolerance built up to hot stuff so...) - I locked that girl in her crate for an hour instead of making her puke it up. No water bowl in there either.

That dog never stole any sort of food anything from me ever again.

Thanks, @Aaron56 that looks like a valid "if I were far from the vet" emergency treatment...filed for reference.
Fyi, I pm'd you a search of vet science articles

 

[Aaron56]

Thanks, @Aaron56 that looks like a valid "if I were far from the vet" emergency treatment...filed for reference.
Fyi, I pm'd you a search of vet science articles

I have a couple of different clinics that I can get to in less than 20 minutes of walking there. 3 if bumped up to 30 minutes walking...

That stuff at PetMD is intentionally misleading in my opinion.

Making Dogs Throw Up

Is it safe to make your dog throw up at home? Find out what to do if your dog eats something poisonous or swallows part of a toy or another object.

www.petmd.com

From PetMD -

It may also be too late to induce vomiting. If your pet ingests a foreign object or toxic substance, timing is important. A general recommendation is to induce vomiting within 2 hours of ingestion. If a foreign object has already moved from the stomach into the intestines, vomiting is no longer effective.

It takes a lot longer than 2 hours to move 'everything' from one to the other and they leave that part out intentionally. They want you to believe that it all moves over to the small intestine in only 2 hours when the reality it that that is about how long it takes for only the first tiny bit of it to move there and it will be many more hours before that entire process is complete.

Selective facts with lots of details omitted to lead you to a specific conclusion quickly...

Also from PetMD -

Hydrogen peroxide has been used for many years to induce vomiting at home. However, hydrogen peroxide causes severe ulcers in the stomach when administered orally to dogs. And recent studies have shown that it may be more dangerous than people used to believe, especially at higher concentrations or if you administer too much.

Aside from hydrogen peroxide, also avoid these dangerous methods:

If they were honest there they would say that 'it can be dangerous and cause severe ulcers in the stomach at higher concentrations or if you administer too much'.

Notice how they worded it in such a way to lead one to believe that 'any' at all can cause problems and notice how they cited 'studies' but failed to provide any details as to the names of the studies or links to follow so they could be looked up and actually read...

Pretty sure I would have known years ago if any dogs of mine had stomach ulcers.

 

[BGpa]

Yep. Not endorsing any one source, or questioning your judgement in actual use.

I'm noticing there is a metric-crap-ton of almost auto-generated dog content these days, as dog biz must be very lucrative...so ad supported generic cut and paste is the rule.

I treat your actual real workd experience as highly informative and appreciate it, why I asked.

I also personally try to drill down to scientific studies on a topic too, vs a generic summary, say by AI. Or by wikipedia which has been flawed by politics for years....or Goolag which has censored content...dont get me started in FakeBook...

Oops, rant/off...
Best I take that to "off topic" forum...
"I aim to misbehave"- Mal in "Serenity"

 

[Aaron56]

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I also personally try to drill down to scientific studies on a topic too, vs a generic summary, say by AI. Or by wikipedia which has been flawed by politics for years....or Goolag which has censored content...dont get me started in FakeBook...

Very much this.

Many times the 'summaries' will be based on cherry picked data points to lead readers to believe a particular opinion held by the writer.

I is like you and would rather just read the study myself and then form my own opinion.

 

[JanS]

Many times the 'summaries' will be based on cherry picked data points to lead readers to believe a particular opinion held by the writer.

That is very true and why I don't jump on the bandwagon if someone posts something about a certain food or product and everyone else thinks it must be true.

 

[BGpa]

Well glad Flint is doing good...
@aaron now lets do "bloat" suspected and use of GasX...

 

[BGpa]

Yes we use them and they make a huge difference.

Same...took awhile to find one sturdy enough to hold onto the bully stick or gullet collagen stick she prefers...i think I got on Amazon...

Still too small to hold tge Farn Hound chew rolls some rave about...Bonnie got bored with after awhile.

She also gets a frozen sliced marrow bone to gnaw on after breakfast...for that hour I want before hard training or exercise to avoid bloat.

I swear this pup eats way better than me!