Demodex 911

[BreesMom]

Hopefully the ProMeris that JST recommended will help. It's a shame any dog has to endure this. Like I said, it will continue if this breeder continues to breed this female.[/QUOT

I sure hope the ProMeris works as well in this case!!! That breeder should be stopped from breeding and take some kind of responsibilty for the litters affected!!!!

 

[Panama]

It looks like this breeder has both AKC & "Con"KC registered dogs. Hopefully both registries will be contacted and they themselves will do something, like REVOKE registering privileges, something!

I just cannot get over the fact that this breeder won't do anything to help these people. That shows both ignorance and lack of morals, not to mention gross lack of ethics.

Maybe another question that should go on the Buyer's list of questions to ask a breeder:
"Have there been any outbreaks of Demodectic Mange?" (with pups produced from this female)

 

[Apollo]

Bless her heart. I am not sure if its ok to post links (I apologize in advance if I am wrong).. but I saw a Doberman in rescue that had a similar case. Maybe the owner could email to see what corse of action they took. The before and after pictures are incredible. I wish them all the best.

GCDR-Dober "Ladies

scroll down, you will see the little pup I am referring to.

uhhh i saw that the other day, it ws so sad to see her like that and then to see the outcome and a great happy ending.
you are right maybe contact the rescue and ask what they did to get the dobegirl back to health.

 

[iceman]

MB.. this is what I found online...Demodectic mange is caused by a microscopic mite of the Demodex genus. All dogs raised normally by their mothers possess this mite as mites are transferred from mother to pup via cuddling during the first few days of life. Most dogs live in harmony with their mites, never suffering any consequences from being parasitized. If, however, conditions change to upset the natural equilibrium (such as some kind of suppression of the dog's immune system), the Demodex mites may "gain the upper hand." The mites proliferate and can cause serious skin disease.

I can confirm above information...all dogs have these mites under their skin but their immune system keep the mite population under control..only in cases where the pups immune system is down the mite pupulation gets out of control and starts destroying the hair follicles which results in loss of hair and redness of the skin..(hence the name "red mange")
My previous male dobe, Niko had demodectic mange which surfaced at around nine months..
I had to treat him 3-4 times a year for the next 10 years!!
For many years i used Amitraz/Aludex/Mitaban dips which made him ill for couple of days before they did any good but later on i discovered orally administered ivermictin which did not have any side effects like Amitraz or Mitaban.
Since Sophia is only nine months old she has a slight chance of fully recovering from this problem...
Even if she doesnt 100% recover,periodic ivermictin treatment will make sure she can have a healthy life just as any other dog.
First of all,whatever the reason that stressed her has to be eliminated.
next step is to help her control the mites by giving her orally administered ivermictin...this will kill the mites and give her comfort..
the last step is to give her immune system boosing drugs designed for dogs..once her immune system is restored she will hopefully learn to fight and keep the mites under control herself like any other dog.

 

[JstLovesErnie]

My friends dogs looked that bad before the Promeris and were actually part of the study to get the rating for Demodectic Mange. They have been free of mange since they started the treatment. The dog will be just fine in about 3 months. It's so horrible - mange is just awful for dogs....
Glad I could help...

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It looks like this breeder has both AKC & "Con"KC registered dogs. Hopefully both registries will be contacted and they themselves will do something, like REVOKE registering privileges, something!

I just cannot get over the fact that this breeder won't do anything to help these people. That shows both ignorance and lack of morals, not to mention gross lack of ethics.

Maybe another question that should go on the Buyer's list of questions to ask a breeder:
"Have there been any outbreaks of Demodectic Mange?" (with pups produced from this female)

Oh Pan you are funny sometimes... only a reputable breeder "might" answer that - any others will lie through their teeth. In a perfect world they "might" tell you the truth.... It's hard enough to get breeders to admit that there is epilepsy in the back ground ( just a for instance) - and you expect them to mention this? lol

---------- Post added at 07:18 PM ---------- Previous post was at 07:12 PM ----------

I can confirm above information...all dogs have these mites under their skin but their immune system keep the mite population under control..only in cases where the pups immune system is down the mite pupulation gets out of control and starts destroying the hair follicles which results in loss of hair and redness of the skin..(hence the name "red mange")
My previous male dobe, Niko had demodectic mange which surfaced at around nine months..
I had to treat him 3-4 times a year for the next 10 years!!
For many years i used Amitraz/Aludex/Mitaban dips which made him ill for couple of days before they did any good but later on i discovered orally administered ivermictin which did not have any side effects like Amitraz or Mitaban.
Since Sophia is only nine months old she has a slight chance of fully recovering from this problem...
Even if she doesnt 100% recover,periodic ivermictin treatment will make sure she can have a healthy life just as any other dog.
First of all,whatever the reason that stressed her has to be eliminated.
next step is to help her control the mites by giving her orally administered ivermictin...this will kill the mites and give her comfort..
the last step is to give her immune system boosing drugs designed for dogs..once her immune system is restored she will hopefully learn to fight and keep the mites under control herself like any other dog.

While the information you are giving was once accurate -
the two Filas that were part of the Promeris study were given Ivermectin for a year and it did nothing to stop or control the Demodectic mange, as well as being fed a raw diet and immune building additives. Please check out the link for the Promeris... it has been 100% effective against Demodectic mange and it gets rid of it. My friends Filas were treated three times but there were no live mites or eggs found in any of the sking scrapings after the first treatment.

This is a huge for dogs that have suffered from this disease. I know many dogs that have been put down because of it.

 

[Panama]

*** UPDATE ***

Due to this owner posting her experience with this breeder on MySpace, someone with a pup from the same litter has contacted her. And yes, their pup is also being treated. The case isn't as severe as Sophia's, but none the less, the same issues. Breeder will not take their calls either. Hopefully a few more will come forward.

 

[MyBuddy]

Oh Pan you are funny sometimes... only a reputable breeder "might" answer that - any others will lie through their teeth. In a perfect world they "might" tell you the truth.... It's hard enough to get breeders to admit that there is epilepsy in the back ground ( just a for instance) - and you expect them to mention this? lol

I must come to Panama's defense in this. Not only are we not here to make fun of people in this manner, I personally think it's a good idea. Yes, of course, the breeder will most likely lie through their teeth. And isn't it awful that a lot of us KNOW that! BUT, every new puppy owner should be made aware of this mange and the possibility of contacting it in this manner. So why NOT ask? There's a LOT of things a buyer asks in any transaction...and they get lie to, but that shouldn't stop us from asking informed questions! Do we stop just because we know they will lie? No, I think we should ask MORE. The more informed the buyer, the more we put breeders on the spot. Yes, some will lie, and some may not be good at it and will send off vibes that hopefully a buyer will pick up on. That something 'just doesn't seem right', ya know? I'm all for information and going puppy hunting 'loaded'! Ask! Put them on the spot! Let them know that YOU are an informed buyer!

*** UPDATE ***

Due to this owner posting her experience with this breeder on MySpace, someone with a pup from the same litter has contacted her. And yes, their pup is also being treated. The case isn't as severe as Sophia's, but none the less, the same issues. Breeder will not take their calls either. Hopefully a few more will come forward.

Though knowing more are affected is terribly sad, it's good to hear that more from that litter are contacting each other with ammunition against this breeder!! Thanks for the update Panama! I hope this breeder is put out of business. :bitchin:

 

[apbtmom76]

Pam thank you for the update, I wish and hope that more people come forward and that this breeder is no longer allowed to produce or own dogs.

 

[hall.christopher]

The Puppy Lemon Law protects the purchaser. Allows purchaser to either return the pup for a refund or replacement or retain the dog, get it treated and the seller must assist with veterinary costs. Unfortunately, not many states have this Law.

http://www.consumeraffairs.com/pets/lemon_intro.html

Puppy Lemon Law States

Thanks Pam,we don't have it over here.Here its take them to court to sue.

 

[Apollo]

its so sad, that the dogs are the one who suffer and the breeder don't cares, because he is just greedy

 

[Cap]

This is my pup(Sophia) that Panama is talking about, I am checking the promeris right now

 

[hrd2gt]

I still say invermectin works... i was trying to put up the pics of the rescue who had it super bad... but that laptop is pyscho.. got some before and after, she looks a lot better now

5 minutes later... Yea! I found her pics I put up on Special Needs Doberman Cafe

this is her now... after 1 month of useless treatment of sulfur washes... then 2 months of invermectin.. she looks better now too, all even colored and hair 80%

she has one goofy eye... the black part is HUGE, but its not her.. whats the black part of our eye called? i forgot, lol! it always looks dilated, reminds me of a goofy doonesbury character

She is with me for a while, she is a complete sweety but NO training... doesnt know how to play... but very friendly, and good with all my other guys... I did manage to get her house broken after 4 days. WHEW!!!!!
http://d.yimg.com/kq/groups/10469619/sn/1947793569/name/IMAG0018.jpg

 

[Panama]

I'm so sorry you guys & Sophia are going through this. I'm glad someone else has contacted you. Hopefully some of the others will see the info posted and contact you as well.

Hugs to Sophia!

 

[Apollo]

wow HRD she was looking bad to, its hurts to see dogs suffer like that, but glad there is something outhere what helps them.

and BTW the black thing in the eye its called iris LMAO or pupill

 

[hrd2gt]

PUPIL... thats it..gawd, i can never remember that... so she has like red... then black... then the pupil... the black part is always big tho in the one eye so she always looks like WHAT?????????????? but lopsided

 

[iceman]

I still say invermectin works...

So do i....havent heard of or tried Promeris but i can vouch for orally administered Ivermictin.

 

[Panama]

I believe they had her on ivermectin with no results. I've had good results with it on a foster yrs ago in the beginning stages of localized demodex (chest & front legs). So yes, I've seen it help first hand, but as with any meds, just because it's helped one or some doesn't mean it'll work for all.

 

[iceman]

I believe they had her on ivermectin with no results. I've had good results with it on a foster yrs ago in the beginning stages of localized demodex (chest & front legs). So yes, I've seen it help first hand, but as with any meds, just because it's helped one or some doesn't mean it'll work for all.

I would make sure they consult a vet who has personal experience of prescribing oral ivermectin to make sure the right dosage was used..
To my knowledge (and believe me i have tried all) oral ivermectin used at the correct dosage is the best drug for fighting demodectic mange..


copy pasted from below link

CURRENT TREATMENT OF CHOICE -- IVERMECTIN
Ivermectin is a broad spectrum anti-parasite medication generally used for food animals and horses. It is licensed for use in dogs and cats as a heartworm preventive and as a topical ear mite therapy at this time thus the use of this medication to treat demodicosis is not approved by the FDA. When ivermectin was a new drug it was hoped that it could be used against demodectic mange mites. At first it was found ineffective but later it was determined that daily doses are needed (most other parasites can be controlled with wormings spaced several weeks apart.) Ivermectin is inexpensive relative to Milbemycin (see below) and involves no labor intensive bathing. It DOES, however, taste terrible if given orally (it may be necessary for the owner to learn how to give ivermectin as an injectable treatment.)

THIS MEDICATION IS NOT SAFE FOR USE IN COLLIES,
SHETLAND SHEEPDOGS, AUSTRALIAN SHEPHERDS,
OLD ENGLISH SHEEPDOGS, AND SOME WOULD SAY,
ANY HERDING BREED.

Sensitivity to ivermectin may not be predictably limited to “collie breeds” and thus it is often prudent to use a lower test dose before initiating the relatively high doses of ivermectin needed to treat demodicosis. Not all individuals of collie heritage are sensitive to ivermectin and a test is in development to determine whether an individual should be able to safely take ivermectin or not. There is a range of ivermectin doses used in the treatment of demodicosis and it seems that higher doses do clear infection faster than lower doses. This means that if a lower dose has been ineffective, a higher dose may still work. This does not mean that a pet owner should experament with ivermectin doses on their own as there is some potential for lethal toxicity if this drug is not used appropriately.

DEMODEX MITE

 

[Panama]

This means that if a lower dose has been ineffective, a higher dose may still work. This does not mean that a pet owner should experament with ivermectin doses on their own as there is some potential for lethal toxicity if this drug is not used appropriately.

This is something their perscribing vet would need to determine.

 

[iceman]

This is something their perscribing vet would need to determine.

I absolutely agree...that's why i suggested they should consult a vet who has personal experience of prescribing oral ivermectin.