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Yes a book on spiders... Double ick lol I think they do that on purpose because they know how no feel about them

Aww :-( I can understand her frustration. I have heard many people say it's hard to have a working dog as a pet but it can be done. I struggled with that when starting out training since my trainer did schutzhund she had many recommendations but it wasn't really suitable considering mischa is also a pet not JUST. a working dog. As much as I love IPO I'm not positive that's the route I'll go anymore. Still looking into it but leaning more towards agility or obedience so I can do SOMETHING with her but it would still be beneficial training for at home too.

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My dad's first dobe was like that though... He swore it was because it was a male and only ever got females after that... Sever separation anxiety. Every time my dad would leave the house hans would howl, bark incessantly and destroy things. Including his all metal crate. And walls. Chewed right through one once he was so upset my dad went to work (even though his now ex wife was home with the dog!)

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Tad said:
Spider book, eh? Ick.

Well, lets see: My wife actually loved my first Doberman. He helped me meet her and get to know her at the dog park, and he was such a good boy.

My second Doberman was from serious working lines and as such was worse at being a pet. He got aggressive with her on three occasions and looked like he was going to do the same to our daughter. We feel his breeding was unbalanced or he had something wrong upstairs.

My third Doberman, also from serious working lines is not very good at being a pet, but thank God has shown no signs of inappropriate aggression.

But with my last two: Things like excessive pacing, whining, barking, inability to be crated, a near inability to be gentle. etc. etc.

My wife these days doesn't want a dog at all. Since we had our child things changed for her big time. No time for a dog, no desire for the work. If she were to want a dog, it would be something utterly cuddly, sheepish and friendly. She sees no need for the security a dog can add.
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Ever tried giving him a daily job ? He's probably be much better home if he had a job to do.. How come you want serious working lines ?
 
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My dad's first dobe was like that though... He swore it was because it was a male and only ever got females after that... Sever separation anxiety. Every time my dad would leave the house hans would howl, bark incessantly and destroy things. Including his all metal crate. And walls. Chewed right through one once he was so upset my dad went to work (even though his now ex wife was home with the dog!)

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AresMyDobie said:
Ever tried giving him a daily job ? He's probably be much better home if he had a job to do.. How come you want serious working lines ?
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I do training with him daily. Our number one goal is to make him livable. I'm working on the behaviors that bring us closer to that end. Now, giving him a job to do: That's an interesting comment. I always say a lot of dogs need a job to do, but I must admit if I were to try to think of a specific "job" for him, I'd be hard pressed. I suppose picking up my daughter's toys and putting them away would be a good idea.

Why to do I want serious working lines? If I tried to answer that somewhat completely, I'd probably write a short dissertation here in the random pic thread. Let's see if I can sum it up: You know that maxim that dogs will know the good guys from the bad and they'll protect if it ever comes down to it? Hogwash in my view, especially if the bad guy fought back. So I seek Dobes that have a higher level of toughness, or hardness. My last Doberman, I believe, would not back down in a fight, and he knew, naturally, how to full-mouth bite.

I'll also add that one of my greatest fears in buying a Doberman is that they will end up being a fearful, skittish dog. I feel I adjust the odds in my favor going with serious working lines. Much of their ancestry has proven that they can at least succeed at high-level protection-oriented dog sports.
 
Tad said:
I do training with him daily. Our number one goal is to make him livable. I'm working on the behaviors that bring us closer to that end. Now, giving him a job to do: That's an interesting comment. I always say a lot of dogs need a job to do, but I must admit if I were to try to think of a specific "job" for him, I'd be hard pressed. I suppose picking up my daughter's toys and putting them away would be a good idea.

Why to do I want serious working lines? If I tried to answer that somewhat completely, I'd probably write a short dissertation here in the random pic thread. Let's see if I can sum it up: You know that maxim that dogs will know the good guys from the bad and they'll protect if it ever comes down to it? Hogwash in my view, especially if the bad guy fought back. So I seek Dobes that have a higher level of toughness, or hardness. My last Doberman, I believe, would not back down in a fight, and he knew, naturally, how to full-mouth bite.

I'll also add that one of my greatest fears in buying a Doberman is that they will end up being a fearful, skittish dog. I feel I adjust the odds in my favor going with serious working lines. Much of their ancestry has proven that they can at least succeed at high-level protection-oriented dog sports.
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I'd start putting his line to use and you'll have a happier home and a happier wife :) My boy is from conformation and can still whoop some butt in schutzhund. I think with a dog like that you have to be giving him a job I think that would make a whole lot of difference in the home :)
 
AresMyDobie said:
I'd start putting his line to use and you'll have a happier home and a happier wife :) My boy is from conformation and can still whoop some butt in schutzhund. I think with a dog like that you have to be giving him a job I think that would make a whole lot of difference in the home :)
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Well, again, you've landed quite a pup there in Ares then!
 
Tad said:
Well, again, you've landed quite a pup there in Ares then!
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Lol i won't disagree but I have put a lot of time into him. We did tons of confidence boosting and socialization. Manners are huge for me especially with this kind of dog. :) I'm pretty sure if you put him to work you'd see a change.
 
AresMyDobie said:
Lol i won't disagree but I have put a lot of time into him. We did tons of confidence boosting and socialization. Manners are huge for me especially with this kind of dog. :) I'm pretty sure if you put him to work you'd see a change.
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Any specific suggestions on putting him to work?
 
Tad said:
Any specific suggestions on putting him to work?
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Nose work is a great start :) start tracking some hotdogs in the yard :) Ares loves that game helps him think smell and work out lol I'll leave him inside and put the cut up hot dog pieces around the yard then I strap is leash on and then give him the command and he will go to town trying to find all the pieces lol its fun :)
 
AresMyDobie said:
Nose work is a great start :) start tracking some hotdogs in the yard :) Ares loves that game helps him think smell and work out lol I'll leave him inside and put the cut up hot dog pieces around the yard then I strap is leash on and then give him the command and he will go to town trying to find all the pieces lol its fun :)
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I do a hide single kibbles of food in the house for him to find.

So, when you hide the hot dog pieces outside, are you working on air-scenting, or ground tracking?

I think we might do well to start a thread here such as "Giving your Dobe jobs to do."
 
Tad said:
I do a hide single kibbles of food in the house for him to find.

So, when you hide the hot dog pieces outside, are you working on air-scenting, or ground tracking?

I think we might do well to start a thread here such as "Giving your Dobe jobs to do."
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Go for it :)
 
I agree with @AresMyDobie and his advice. I have a rescue dobermann and she loves to work agility, obedience, tracking, tricks. bite work etc You can also lay tracks for him, My dobie loves that. I use the command "track" with her when we do this and she just gets better and better.
 
AresMyDobie said:
I'd start putting his line to use and you'll have a happier home and a happier wife :) My boy is from conformation and can still whoop some butt in schutzhund. I think with a dog like that you have to be giving him a job I think that would make a whole lot of difference in the home :)
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What venue did his lines show in? At his size I'm curious and couldn't find anything on the litter online.


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