Oleg and Lana Pilipovski at www.eurodoby.com

[Tina]

I contacted Lana and Oleg Pilipovski at eurodoby about their doberman puppies and they sounded very knowledgeable about the breed. They told me that all the puppies were Vonwillebrands clear by parentage and assured me that my puppy was clear. I bought the dog and after testing, I found out my puppy is Vonwillebrands carrier. I contacted them and they told me to, "stop crying" and that I am lucky they didn't send me a VWD affected puppy. . I am very upset. These people are scammers and just say anything to make a sale. I paid extra for von willebrands clear and breeding rights and now I can not breed him and he is not worth nearly what I paid. They will not let me return him and they will not even refund part of my money for lying about the Vonwillebrands disease.
Lana kept emailing me rude comments even saying my other doberman is ugly and poor quality, when my other doberman had nothing to do with the conversation at hand.
My puppy also came to me with a terrible ear infection. They also told me that he was the only black and rust male in the litter and then after I bought my puppy, they posted on facebook that they were keeping the best black and rust male for themselves. They are liars and I want people to know. Do not buy from them!

 

[Tina]

I paid extra for the garuntee that he is clear. I told them that my female is carrier and eventually I might want to breed them. They assured me he was clear by parentage and even emailed me paperwork on both parents saying they are VWD clear. I paid $3,000 for this dog!
I was willing to pay the shipping to send him back for a refund and they said no. They told me that they don't care what I do with him. It's my problem now.

 

[Rits]

Wow, on one hand I do not think carrier is the end all and be all however I can easily see why you are upset!! How awful to be lied to, even the paperwork? Wonder how they managed that. So sorry to hear and thank you for putting this out there so others finding this in the future can form their own decision on whether they would want to purchase a dog from them. It's awful to find out your breeder can't be trusted

 

[JanS]

I responded to this in the other thread, but to be a carrier doesn't mean they can't be bred, if they meet all of the other criteria, but the other parent has to be clear in order to do it.

It's really sad that they did lie to you and put on the paperwork that they're guaranteed clear though, so I don't blame you for being upset....

 

[Dobs4ever]

I agree this is a bad situation all the way around. BUT I have also learned the hard way that there is often 2 sides to every story.

But before you breed you certainly need to know more than that at dog is Vwd clear as so much more goes into being breed worthy than just vwd clear. Since approx 70% of all Doberman's are carrier it is not not the end all end all. You must need to breed him to clear.

So what have you done with your female??? That would be the first place to start.
What are the pedigrees:
Are the working lines or show lines?
What is your purpose for breeding??
How will it better the breed??
What titles do you plan on achieveing?
What health testing do you plan on doing other than Vwd???
Structurally how do the dogs compliment each other?
Temperament wise how do they compliment each other??

Are your working with an experienced Doberman breeder???

Just some food for thought

 

[Tina]

I have done health testing on my female, obedience training, and we are starting protection work. I planned on doing complete heath testing on both and I want to show and do protection work with Remington. Since my female is carrier, I will never even have the choice to breed them. I do not plan on getting anymore dogs, so getting another female and trying to make sure she is clear is out of the question.

I know carrier is not a big deal, however I asked specifically for clear, and even asked for proof. I just want people to know that Lana Pilippovski with euro doby.com is a liar. When I did research, I could not find one bad comment or review about them. I want other people to know what they are getting into.

They obviously do not care about their dogs either. She never asked me if I had any experience with dobermans, what kind of food I feed, what kind of yard I have, nothing. Not one question. All she cared about was getting her money. She even told me that she sold another puppy from that litter to "someone who never even owned a goldfish, because her puppies are so easy to care for".

She told me to sell Remington if I didn't like him and she doesn't care what I do with him because it's not her problem. All sales are final.

Like I said, I just want other poeple to see my experience before buying from them. There is not much else I can do now. I am guessing also that my health garuntee means nothing since they lied about the vonwillebrands disease.

They are also selling his mom Arabella on www.puppyfind.com saying she is about to go in heat and will be ready to breed again! My puppy was just born June 19th. Geez. Give the dog a break.

 

[DocReverto]

I agree that this sucks, especially for that amount of money. I haven't heard of them so I can't speculate in regards to the quality of their program. I will say that price is not unheard of for other than reputable breeders. There are a couple out there who charge astronomical prices for non quality dogs.

I think your head is in the right place in regards to breeding, but I don't think the timing is right. I would start focusing on competing with your dogs and getting them titled. It takes a lot of time and experience to do this right.

What's the reason you want to breed?

Since you have this girl now can we get some pictures? I haven't fulfilled my fix yet today, and I'm starting to get the itchies.

 

[Dobs4ever]

She told me to sell Remington if I didn't like him and she doesn't care what I do with him because it's not her problem. All sales are final.

All I can say is wow from looking at the web sit however it does not surprise me. So training in obedience is easy to say - teach the dog to sit and you can say that but what about titles. You bought smoke and mirrors - her web site scream BYB. I honestly don't know how we can educated people when people can make their we biste look good and sound good.

But There would have been a lot more I was wanting in a male than Vwd clear. You need to find a mentor to give you some education on Dobermans in general and then the guidelines to become a good breeder. Take you time - Title your bitch, get the male ready to title and then see where you are and what you have learned if you even want to breed.

There has to be a purpose other than just breeding. What are your goals?

 

[Dobs4ever]

To add : It should have been a big red falg if she asked you no questions unless you were wanting an intact male without having to be screened yourselfe which is what a good breeder would have done. I am alwasy sorry when I read threads like this because unles syou have it in writing by contract then there is not much you can do and if it is in writing then the expense is probably greater than what you want to throw away on top of the exhorbant price you have already contributed to this BYB Euro bandwagon.

Vwd clear would still not make him worth what you paid for him.

 

[Ataro]

Your breeding aspirations aside;

Some months ago I posted about a breeder who was all about the money, and how she sounded untrustworthy, telling me about how she built up a network in order to extract extortionate prices from her customers and that most breeders and her program were focused on maximizing profits etc. well, this is the person. I didn't want to post exact details about it then, because I had no real proof - I was just going off emails with her (I asked her for advice about breeders in Europe when I was still looking for a Euro puppy), but she basically bit my head off for discussing what normal prices were, obviously because she didn't want to give the game away.

I know there is another member on this forum who has bought from her, and was taken in by the lies but I think she is happy with her pup(pies), I at least hope so. Regardless, I can't stand dishonesty especially when it comes to live animals, their health and well-being, and the large amounts of money that always seems to surround these situations. From experience with these kinds of people though, I'm guessing that vWD isn't the only thing falsified on his papers.

 

[Rits]

Tina, again. I appreciate you giving your side of the story. You would be amazed at how many people you are helping by putting your side out there.

All I can say is wow from looking at the web sit however it does not surprise me. So training in obedience is easy to say - teach the dog to sit and you can say that but what about titles. You bought smoke and mirrors - her web site scream BYB. I honestly don't know how we can educated people when people can make their we biste look good and sound good.

It's sad to think that even people you would think would be informed about what is a BYB and what isn't, are still supporting BYBs. Such a never ending fight to keep dogs and Dobermans out of rescues and yet people support breeders the like of these. Tina said herself that the breeder didn't want the dog back and that it was now her problem! This exact discussion came up in the rescue thread and this is why it's so important to support reputable breeders and not BYBs because the BYBs don't give a crap about who their dogs go to or where they end up! Got my money, why would I care what happens to the dog? Looks like we are even fighting against "ourselves".

 

[Tina]

I do not want to breed them for sure, I just wanted that option. I figured by the time Remington is old enough (he has to be at least 2 for OFA) I might want another dog and I would breed them and keep a puppy. Here are some pictures of Remington.

 

[Rits]

Remington is cute for sure. Please reread the things D4E listed on breeding. I think if you get involved now and start learning you will be better off in the end and having a better idea on breeding. It's fun to learn too and fun to get involved with a breed you love!

So interesting, the breeder sounds completely different here. Found on a local classifieds free ads website for the US. Warning: wall of text.

Top of the line red/rust and black/rust pick of the litter males available to approved homes only.Their are not a pet quality and available for somebody who is looking for the top of the line,good for show and work.(only one puppy left)leash,potty training in progress.Very well build,has ability for bite work,will be excellent show dog,only for the family whom is interested in shows,we can help.If you are looking for a pet only he isn't for you.He is very easy to work with and has interest in work.Been checked by dentist ,has k9 bite.We had litter of 9 puppies,this one was hold on deposit but didn't work out,people didn't follow up with full payment.This baby is top of the line show quality with strong top line ,beautiful tail setting, strong chest and good face muscle ,dark EUROPEAN MARKINGS. This puppy won't be sold as a pet only,he is good for work,he is for somebody who is looking for working dog and will continue his training.He was checked by dentist ,he has full k9 bite, ears done AKC show standards,easy to work with this puppy,he can learn fast,we start on obedient already.Available to approved home only.Both parents top show quality from Europe,health tested.We have just 1 red/rust boy available,fully cropped and docked,show quality and good for show and work,he has compact and muscular body strong top line and beautiful tail setting 90 degrees. $ They are healthy and happy babies from our house to yours.Sorry,this puppies are not for breeding kennels.Shipping extra($350.00) .Mother of the litter is our own female ,she wasn't just shipped to USA pregnant like most of the breeders do this days.Arabella was trained and bred in Europe,she was second in the European show-BH,HFGY,CAC,HDK,HD-A .Father of the litter is Famous Fidel de Perlanera-ZTP,IPO1,HD-A,PHPV/HCPHTVL,vWD-clear and belong to the Perlanera kennel. I seen some breeders just named the dogs after the famous kennels,we don't do that and we don't have too.We go to Europe with our dogs to pass the breeding tests and get working tittles and of course to do the breeding when we want to use the stud. We have our own stud Bismarck Von Pressila who is the best in USA but ones again we don't do just the breeding for the profit. We love to have different bloodlines in our program in order not to ended up with inbreeding to related dogs in all 3 generation. i seen that a lot this days and i have to say this is crazy and there is no way breeder on the right mind who does that, no way this production is healthy. Maybe some inbreeding in one generation can bring it up the best in bloodline(if both dogs super healthy)but other then that all this inbreeding is not healthy at all. Litter of 9 babies,3 females and 6 males.We have just 2 red/rust boys available to approved homes.Sorry, no breeding kennels please. We planned this litter for a long time and wont risk our reputation ,we don't want to deal with those who care less about dogs and all the do just non stop production for affordable prices. Our dogs and puppies not for everyone and we are proud of this .We are looking just for the best owners who is looking for the top of the line with out health and temperament problems.Any one can ship pregnant female to USA and sale the puppies.We are different,we don't breed just females with exported pedigree,we breed the best and the best only. Arabella was taken to Europe in person and the same way we took her back home. We are the ones who can find the time and invest in dogs not just in order to use any female with exported pedigree for breeding ,we invest a lot in training and health . We had been very careful all the time with our dogs and puppies,we care where they will live.Our dogs live in the house and we treat them as a part of the family. Sorry, we are not a breeding farm and we don't believe in massive production.Doberman should live under the roof with his master.We offer stud service to approve females as well.New litter were born June 19 of 2012.Sire IDC sieger top quality truly working doberman ZTP,IPO1 titled,health tested-H-A,vWD-clear, lives in Europe very stable temperament , dark markings ,beautiful coat.Dam-Arabella Di Caresi imported from Europe(Hungary)HD-A,BH,Champion of Hungary.This is her first litter-9 adorable,strong and healthy puppies top quality.Both parents will pass stable temperament on puppies and ability to work.Deposits welcome to hold your puppy till final arrangements.For more info [removed] work only with top quality dogs and breeders. We don't have to use only grand parents pictures because parents are not the best in shows and never never done any training what so ever in order to get working titles.I seen a lot of breeders sale champions puppies from non champions parents and they have no idea what that all about. We work hard with our dogs and we sale real home raised puppies who is born and raised in the house. Our dogs live with us and they are family members. We know what breeders offering this days , we have dogs here and in Europe , our dogs with manners and they live in the house as a family members and we treat them as a royalty. We do only professional show ears crop and doesn't matter you will show or not. Everyone wants to have dog head turns and this is what we have. We show and trained our dogs and our puppies look like million dollars babies but our dogs not for everyone. we are on face book by Lana Pilipovski. You can become my friend on face book and see what i have and what people i am working with.If somebody looking just for a dog my babies aren't for you. [removed] Triple crown del royalty with reputation and references.

 

[fehnder]

Gorgeous!

At least it's been a learning curve, im sure you love Remington to bits. If you ever decide to have another pup think things through and give us here.a message were all happy to help

She sounds awful tbh. When the litter I reserved from where born early I looked around before deciding to wait.for the breeders next litter. I had a lady who, when asked for health testing details etc about her dogs and pups told.me her husband had said they had had health tests. When pressed for specifics she.then told me I obviously wasn't looking for a pure dobe like hers!! I emailed her back to say her puppies looked gorgeous but weren't for me and left her well alone before she became overly rude!

 

[fehnder]

Remington is cute for sure. Please reread the things D4E listed on breeding. I think if you get involved now and start learning you will be better off in the end and having a better idea on breeding. It's fun to learn too and fun to get involved with a breed you love!

So interesting, the breeder sounds completely different here. Found on a local classifieds free ads website for the US. Warning: wall of text.

Does the akc have any kind.of accredited breeder scheme like the UK? I wouldn't buy based on that ad for sure :/

 

[Dobs4ever]

This baby is top of the line show quality with strong top line ,beautiful tail setting, strong chest and good face muscle ,dark EUROPEAN MARKINGS. This puppy won't be sold as a pet only,he is good for work,he is for somebody who is looking for working dog and will continue his training

How would you know show quality if you did not show??? ANY breeder who claims show quality but has not produced or shown a dog of their breeding to titles would not recognize a show prospect.

Then BEST in the USA - so says who??? Just reading this would be enough to stop me cold Obviously snake oil sales pitch.

 

[StarlightDobe]

wow from reading that ad I would run so fast! They keep repeating things, they cant spell and their grammar is horrendous.
Remington sure is a cutie though, too bad his breeder is such an idiot. It makes me feel bad for his parents, or at least his momma.

 

[GennyB]

Well after doing some research on this breeder, I hope this boy throws golden eggs. WOW! I can't believe what you paid for him vs. what you got. I hope you keep putting the word out on this breeder. Just so other don't get hoodwinked.

 

[kaloric]

To add : It should have been a big red falg if she asked you no questions unless you were wanting an intact male without having to be screened yourselfe which is what a good breeder would have done.

With a lot of those types, it seems that a fat wallet (which they'd like to help prospective buyers lighten) is all they're screening for. The whole situation sounds really bad. In this case, this doesn't appear to be BYB so much as an extremely unscrupulous kennel that is only in it for the money. Not hobbyists who are simply ignorant and haphazard, but disreputable breeders who talking the talk, got some fancy "euro" breeding stock, but obviously don't care about anything but the cash.

Tina, he's a handsome boy regardless, love his expression in the 2nd picture! Good on you for testing him and not just taking the breeder's word for it. If you have the promises that he's vWD clear in black and white and they pull something like this, it's fraud. I'd think at the very least, you'd have small claims recourse to the tune of the difference of a "pet grade" and what you thought you were getting. If it's not in the contract, there wouldn't seem to be much you could do at this point aside from spreading the word, if you save even one other person from getting hosed by fraudsters, that's one less person they'll have burned. Kudos also for not just figuring you'd go ahead and breed two vWD carriers and roll the dice, it must sting to be snookered like this, but there's no reason Remington won't be an incredible dog otherwise.

 

[JanS]

I moved this thread to the breeder section so it's easier to find later.