White dobermans

I totally agree with Anne on this one. As for the "sunburn" issue - that really isn't an issue. I had Paint horses and their noses sun burned - quite a few animals sun burn - and I don't really think that is a plausible reason for not breeding. The one horse had a blue eye and a partial blue - I don't recall him overly squinting either. Skin conditions, heart, any health condition should be the only determining factor for breeding or not breeding - not color.

This controversy has contaminated just about every breed. The White German Shepherds for one - the "Pie" in Fila's....


The white male I looked into adopting - would barely open his eyes outside - it was quite sad & I'm sad to say one of the reasons I went with Casper instead
 
If these dogs are infact Albino, isn't that a pretty serious genetic defect? I don't see how you can exploit a defect in a professional manner. If you want an albino... I say adopt, but use good sense and do not breed them.

Also some food for thought, in many wild species, being born an albino is a death sentence, hippos and monkeys for example...I just don't see it as a positive.
 
This is a great thread ... there's a lot of useful information in it and unfortunately we have lost a member. I don't know where I stand on white dobes but I know that I am interested in learning more about them. Perhaps our fellow member whitedobees could also give us her opinion. But I would also understand if she didn't want to get into this topic.
 
This is a great thread ... there's a lot of useful information in it and unfortunately we have lost a member. I don't know where I stand on white dobes but I know that I am interested in learning more about them. Perhaps our fellow member whitedobees could also give us her opinion. But I would also understand if she didn't want to get into this topic.

Yes there is a ton of useful information in this thread. And i still have a hard time understanding why sombody would quit posting on this board because of it. Everyone has remained respectful and on topic. with no real personal jabs taken on either side.

I must admit i am a little suprized to see this discussion move forward in a positive direction. I know im the administrator here and am probably more then a little bias but i really think this group is second to none.

I think i speak for the whole doberman-chat staff when i say, you have all made our job easy and fun. And i for one appreciate that more then anybody here knows.
 
I rarely agree with Anne about anything, but, the theory of how white DObes showed up out of the 'blue' oooooooops two blacks has always been suspicious to me. I think that someone did a bunch of test cross-breedings trying to come up with a white Doberman. It seems a little odd that they were never seen in any Doberman litters anywhere in the world {as far as I know}before then. Just a thought. I wonder when the 'first' curly coated DOberman will show up, or the first rare spotted DOberman, etc., etc,.
 
Theoretically, as with any gene mutation, they could very well show up out of the blue, just look at the Franka (panda) German Shepherds, now those are some serious freaks of mutation :eek:.
 
DLS ive seen pictures of a curly haired Doberman. the crazy thing was that this dog was 100% normal until he hit about 8 months if i remember correctly. then just started growing crazy long curly hair. some member on another forum brought it up as a serious concern. this dog was bred by a breeder we both know and consider reputable. The whole thing caused a stink for quite awhile.
 
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Color discussions are always intriguing - don't you think?
 
I didn't intend to offend anyone by showing the deer - I was just amazed at the coloring, and in all honesty - it makes you wonder "why" they would kill an animal that was so spectacularly marked! Personally I eat anonymous animals.... I would be a vegetarian if I had to raise my own food. When it comes to that (eating what you raise) - I'm afraid I fall into the "tree hugger" category....lol
 
I didn't intend to offend anyone by showing the deer - I was just amazed at the coloring, and in all honesty - it makes you wonder "why" they would kill an animal that was so spectacularly marked! Personally I eat anonymous animals.... I would be a vegetarian if I had to raise my own food. When it comes to that (eating what you raise) - I'm afraid I fall into the "tree hugger" category....lol

I dont eat any red meat or pork but I have no problems hunting a deer for food. :)
 
When we first moved to the UP I had a herd of deer ( 20 to 30 a night) that came in every evening to be fed. One - had white markings on all four feet would follow me to the barn and wait for me. I quit feeding when the neighbor started killing them when they came to be fed...

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When we first moved to the UP I had a herd of deer ( 20 to 30 a night) that came in every evening to be fed. One - had white markings on all four feet would follow me to the barn and wait for me. I quit feeding when the neighbor started killing them when they came to be fed...

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man, now that is messed up....tell them part of hunting is the challenge, offing your neighbors partly domesticated deer is not "sport."
 
i cant eat wild animals. I am fully aware of how cows chickens and pigs are raised... had a teacher made a huge point of that in college... but just something about not knowing where a deer was... if it had any diseases... or if another deer peed on it :D Just cant eat wild animals. Although, I did eat alligator last january in Louisana... thats the wildest thing I ever ate. Next would be duck. :)
 
Even with me feeding - that is really a fallacy, they were not partially tame. Even my husband couldn't feed them for me - all he saw was white butts...lol What the "neighbor" was doing was picking them off - in the winter they (deer) yard up and spend time in a small area - and with the deep snow they make trails... that is where he would shoot them - as they crossed his property to come to my place. So, I quit feeding until after deer season was over and he simply just poached them anyway. Since I couldn't win - I just quit feeding and let them range someplace else for food.
 

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