deladobies
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look what I found while looking for pics of albino dobes
http://whitedobermanpuppies.com/
http://whitedobermanpuppies.com/
White dobies
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apbtmom76
wow they are beautiful. But I thought that the white gene was a recessive gene? Isn't that something you wouldn't want to breed in to your Dobe?? Sorry guess I 'm stupid to this.
deladobies
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Your right, there not possed to be bread, some people just dont care!!!.... I wanted to rescue one... I think there beautiful too
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apbtmom76
is sad and what about their temperments?? They really are purdy though!!
whitedobees
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please donot judge the white dobermans until you own one, i have three whites, very loveable, no skin problems, no eye problems, they show me so much love, just like my red and black do. i didnot rescue mine, i bought them. and planning to get another one. they are my favorites. but like all animals some do have problems, whites, blues, fawns and etc.
hrd2gt
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I adore them, but with all the problems i have with my BLUE IG's..... gah!! My luck I would end up with a problem one. Which of course I love my blue dogs... but it does get quite expensive and a pain in the azz to explain why my dogs have no fur where they are blue. I am sure they have great personalities as any other dobie. Well.. guess thats based on where they come from really, how they are raised.
whitedobees
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my oldest son , has a beautiful blue female, with no skin problems, but a good friend, has a blue female, that she had spayed due to horrible hair loss.
whitedobees
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wow,i saw a fawn this past summer, outstanding, a 3 year female, gave them my number, if they ever wanted to find a new home for her, i would buy her from them.
Outstanding, just what the world needs, deliberate breeding of white factored Dobes 
, and one can be yours for the bargain price of just 595.00!
Every single Doberman with albanism I've worked with either had temperament or health issues, sometimes both
, with the exception of just one, a sweet tiny boy who was a doll and is still living at the ripe old age of 13.
By all means, rescue one if you want one, I'm all for it, but to support the breeding of them by purchase? Not a chance.
, and one can be yours for the bargain price of just 595.00! Every single Doberman with albanism I've worked with either had temperament or health issues, sometimes both
, with the exception of just one, a sweet tiny boy who was a doll and is still living at the ripe old age of 13. By all means, rescue one if you want one, I'm all for it, but to support the breeding of them by purchase? Not a chance.
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FredC
Outstanding, just what the world needs, deliberate breeding of white factored Dobes
Every single Doberman with albanism I've worked with either had temperament or health issues, sometimes both
By all means, rescue one if you want one, I'm all for it, but to support the breeding of them by purchase? Not a chance.
I really couldnt agree more. I recently spoke with a woman over the phone who has over 40 yrs in the breed. She started out training Dobermans for specific task in Vieatnam. Eventually went to work for Kimbertals (Commercial Breeders) after that bred Dobermans own her own. And finally started Second chance Dobes (a rescue here in michigan) She had mentioned to me that most white Dobermans in her rescue have some pretty significant temperment problems and therefore refuses to allow anybody but the most expieranced doberman owners to adopt them. She has also confirmed there health is non to promising. Another thing she mentioned was that most her older White Dobermans are now blind.
I personally respect this woman a great deal for everything she has done in the doberman world and have no reason what so ever to not believe her. As she loves all dobermans no matter.
Of course i have never owned one myself so all i can go on is the integurity of the people i choose to call my peers and mentors to the breed.
zoorox
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gotta love arda
I would never breed for whites.......but I cant help but think of all the folks who like white boxers-shepherds. for years they have been told not to breed them.......yet some people do. I think more then color.......a breeder should be as sure as they can be the puppies are placed in good homes.
I would never breed for whites.......but I cant help but think of all the folks who like white boxers-shepherds. for years they have been told not to breed them.......yet some people do. I think more then color.......a breeder should be as sure as they can be the puppies are placed in good homes.
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apbtmom76
WhiteDObies - I am not by any means knocking the white Dobes. They are beautiful. But just as in APBT's you don't want to breed for just color caus epeople think it's "neat". Just a s HuskyLove has said and this is in all dogs if you breed for certain recessive genetic factors you are causing a world of hurt for that breed. I cannot condone the fact that these people and others out there are breeding for a genetic default in a dog. And charging out the ying yang for it.
I am not saying all white Dobies are bad or anything of the nature. I love Dobes and these white are just gorgeous really. I personally like rednose dogs. My first APBT was a rednose/redboned Colby girl. I lvoed her and she is the reason I love the rednoses. I know now that it along with the blue factor in the APBT's is a recessive gene and should have never been honed in on. That's all.
I do love your dogs. They are very purdy. I love all of your pics too. Was showing them to my b/f lastn ight. He had never seen a white one either. We were both just in awe of the guy/gal with the pink nose.
I am not saying all white Dobies are bad or anything of the nature. I love Dobes and these white are just gorgeous really. I personally like rednose dogs. My first APBT was a rednose/redboned Colby girl. I lvoed her and she is the reason I love the rednoses. I know now that it along with the blue factor in the APBT's is a recessive gene and should have never been honed in on. That's all.
I do love your dogs. They are very purdy. I love all of your pics too. Was showing them to my b/f lastn ight. He had never seen a white one either. We were both just in awe of the guy/gal with the pink nose.
deladobies
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Whitedobes... I love the albino's... I would adopt one in a heartbeat... I didnt by any means want this to turn into a white bashing.... Your dogs are beautiful and I judge every single dog by its own actions.... And think that others should do the same... There here now and all people can do is be educated about them and be aware of ANY medical and or temperment (undetermined ) that they may have. I actually have one question... I am not a genetics expert (by no means) so am wondering how we even got the blues, fawns, and reds without that trait... That may seem dumb to ask, but it makes sense to me...
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apbtmom76
No is a very valid question Dela. I have actually been wondering the same thing. When I was younger and my parents were bredding and raising Dobermans we have a Red guy, dumb as a box of rocks, but a real sweetheart, and we had a blue at one point. SHe lived to be about 18 months and died of some weird heart defect.
I too did not mean any offense by my post earlier. I am by NO means judging you or anyone else, I just don't think it's right to breed for that color. No if it is an accident, ya know what I mean like a 1 out of 3 litter type thing, then that can't be helped.
Yes whitedobies - your dogs are beautiful.
I too did not mean any offense by my post earlier. I am by NO means judging you or anyone else, I just don't think it's right to breed for that color. No if it is an accident, ya know what I mean like a 1 out of 3 litter type thing, then that can't be helped.
Yes whitedobies - your dogs are beautiful.
Dobejazz
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IDR+ seems to get alot of whites in - I looked at 2 that were being fostered with Casper - The female was not good with my Chihuahua and the other a young male just seemed to have a lot of potential issues (Ha like Casper doesn't 
) I truly feel for Frosty he has been in a foster home for almost a year
) I truly feel for Frosty he has been in a foster home for almost a yearOkay, this one I can answer (sorta, genetics wasn't my field, but I has some in school so I know the basics
).Louis Dobermann developed the breed with about 6 different established breeds, starting with Rotties, Manchester Terriers, Greyhounds, and I think the Beauceron. Manchesters and Beaucerons come in a black coat so dark it's considered "blue", and Greys come in all kinds of colors, including brindle and red, so with selective breeding over time, Dobes did have the colors built into their DNA makeup. However, somewhere along the way, one of those genes for color mutated in two dogs, and once those two dogs were bred, the recessive gene they were both carrying became a dominant gene for albinism (you must have two carriers of a gene to produce "offspring" of that gene, think Down's Syndrome). Once a gene does that, there's generally no going back, the word mutate does mean a "sudden and usually permanent change", unless you identify the carrier of that gene and exclude it from the pool. So the colors you see most Dobes come in were natural colors of the original breeds, made stronger by selction, but white was an unnatural mutation that should have been taken out.
So breeding for white in a Doberman is like trying to find a partner just to get a kid with Down's Syndrome, not too smart.
Did I make any sense or did I just confuse you more, lol?
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apbtmom76
makes perfect sense HuskyLove. Thank you for explaining.
deladobies
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makes sense, but I still feel as though there had to be something more... Ex, a dumb one, but an example...
Lets get some history... My whole family is "white bread" Jesse's whole family is "wheat bread" Briana is our Marble Rye.... So lets assume I have the albino "white bread" trait now Briana is a carrier of that gene... so no Bri and all of her "loafs" will have that recessive trait until it has completly dissolved... Right. So should all fawns, blues, reds, etc have a trait like the "albino" trait just not as strong... Right???
Lets get some history... My whole family is "white bread" Jesse's whole family is "wheat bread" Briana is our Marble Rye.... So lets assume I have the albino "white bread" trait now Briana is a carrier of that gene... so no Bri and all of her "loafs" will have that recessive trait until it has completly dissolved... Right. So should all fawns, blues, reds, etc have a trait like the "albino" trait just not as strong... Right???
