• Disclaimer: Hello Guest, Doberman Chat Forums presents the opinions and material on these pages as a service to its membership and to the general public but does not endorse those materials, nor does it guarantee the accuracy of any opinions or information contained therein. The opinions expressed in the materials are strictly the opinion of the writer and do not represent the opinion of, nor are they endorsed by, Doberman Chat Forums. Health and medical articles are intended as an aid to those seeking health information and are not intended to replace the informed opinion of a qualified Veterinarian.”

Temperament in Doberman Puppies

Winstonftw

New Member
Hello everyone!

I'm the proud pop of an 8 month old Doberman Puppy named Winston. My Wife and I have had him since he was 9 weeks old and we have often wondered, debated, and then researched questions we would ask each other about our K9 son as he continued to grow.

Of late the main question has been about his temperament.

Now to give some background we live in S. Florida where there are no shortage of the "bully breeds". We have made sure to socialize him by taking him to the dog park, letting him meet everyone in our neighborhood while taking walks, and even taking him to eat with us when going to the beach or on other outings. I believe this is especially important as he is already 28 inches at the shoulders and 79 lbs and apparently has 4 more months of growth in height alone so unless someone knows him he can appear quite intimidating.

We made sure when we were researching breeders to look at reviews concerning the temperaments of the dogs that former customers had left. While I had been around large work dogs before due to my time in the military, my wife had not. That and the fact that we were bringing a dog into a home with a 7yr old and 3 cats it was important for us that the dog not be aggressive nor too timid.

So Winston just turned 8 months about 4 days ago. For the past 3 months at least I have noticed that whenever my wife or little girl walk out of a room or if we're taking a walk and they stroll too far away he will start to whine and may bark. I understood that this was his protective nature beginning to form. They don't call Doberman's Velcro dogs for nothing. This is not something I was overly concerning about and in fact expected at some point in his early development.

I have also noticed him gaining more confidence of late with other dogs which is where my question is rooted. He has gone from being a beta to an omega recently (Omega's being below Alpha's and assuming the alpha role when a more dominant dog is not present). He plays very well with other dogs. Enjoys running, wrestling, ect... He likes to steal toys but is not toy aggressive and will wait for a dog to give up a ball or frisbee before taking it and will relinquish it back if another dog displays a desire for it.

As recently though as today I saw something at the dog park. Another dog that is a regular began antagonizing my dog to show dominance. Now up until now my dobie has shown no inclination of challenging other dogs. However it got too the point where my boy started to snarl at the other dog and the owner of this other dog began to hold my dog to keep him from doing anything. We separated the two and my dog went back to playing. A short time later my dog was playing tug of war and he was rushed by a smaller (albeit older) shephard which he immediately began fighting with. Neither dog was hurt but I could not tell if Winston had retaliated because he had already been keyed up from the previous dog antagonizing him or if he has turned a corner in his development. I want to note that he has never antagonized nor gone after another dog with aggression.

At what age do doberman's usually begin to stand up for themselves or show that confidence level which we as owners need to be aware of so as to avoid incidents in social settings???

Sorry for the drawn out story. Just trying to explain the basis of my question as thoroughly as possible.

Below is a picture of our boy Winston at 7 months. Height= 27 inches, Weight=72 lbs.
 

Attachments

  • 20180405_101131.webp
    20180405_101131.webp
    1,007.6 KB · Views: 41
  • 20180504_102558.webp
    20180504_102558.webp
    477.5 KB · Views: 39
He’s going through a teenage phase and it’s crucial he has strict rules and boundaries during this time.
My boy and girl both stopped growth at 8-9 months in height.
My best advice is to stay out of the dog park. I avoid them like the plague, not only are you risking a fight but disease such as kennel cough.
I don’t know what type of training you do but I would start working with him so the un wanted behavior doesn’t happen or become a regular thing.
 
Welcome from NC....

You've said a mouth full here with lots of questions and given a lot of info...I won't address all, just the dog park...

Dog Parks are off limits for many of us... We have Dobermans. A dog park is a very dangerous place...it's CHAOS and nothing less...Dogs with low information owners are always there and your Doberman can get hurt...or your Doberman could kill another dog...being social doesn't mean going to the dog park, it means interaction with the world...Your Doberman doesn't need friendship from dogs, he needs interaction and training from you...there are many posting here on the site discussing this topic, please use the search feature.:)

I personally bring my girl with me every where except Church and because I've been working with her forever she is in control. We go to people parks, stores, open fields, trails, bike paths, etc...not once has she asked me to go to the dog park and if you recall in your research a Doberman is a personal/family pet/protector...as you said Velcro.:)

A word about fighting, in todays world of sue happy people a powerful Doberman can be an asset or liability...an asset because he's trained to behave or a liability because his owner put him in a bad situation....Please consider finding better places for your Doberman.:)

We love our babies and don't want to see them hurt or injure others.:)
 
Dog parks are a risky place and unfortunately the Doberman usually gets blamed simply because of people’s perceptions about them.

While socializing them is very important, it doesn’t mean having them meet and accept other dogs or even people.
It means being able to have him focus on you and ignore distractions around him such as a vehicle backfiring, horns honking, kids screaming, passing people and other dogs on the sidewalk without engaging them.
That is the social behavior you are looking to achieve through obedience training and exposure.
Training is a life long endeavor with this breed.

Congratulations on having a wonderful Doberman and:welcome:to DCF from Florida!
 
I would avoid tug of war with other dogs as that is one thing that will get the dogs amped up and could lead to a fight.
I don’t even play tug with my two. Of course they are only allowed balls because they chew and swallow everything else.:facepalm:
What part of Fl. are you from?
 
Good looking boy you have there, kind of a different look with a docked tail but uncropped ears. Did you have to request from the breeder to not crop?

As for temperament, you are just at the beginning of your boy getting his testosterone. You will be tested over the next 12 months ya as he slowly matures. This is the time where your rules of what is expected need to be in place. Firm leadership from you and your family is a must for him to know his place.

As other have stated, I don’t do dog parks, or play dates with other dogs. Socializing is to desensitize our dogs from the outside environment. People, other dogs, wild life are just part of the environment that my dog understands is out there but causes no stress or excitement. Our dogs need to be engaged with us, we are there source of fun and more so than anything else.
 
Testosterone. Your boy is getting his and other dogs and detect it. It will make some dogs want to fight him and will likely make him fight back in response. It was about 8 months when I stopped taking my last Dobe to the dog parks. Trying times ahead for a while good luck. Stay calm and assertive.
 
Hi and welcome to DCF from the United Kingdom!

Many years ago we had a docked but uncropped dobermann.327CFEE9-619F-4645-862E-79B185389657.webp

He was docked the year before the ban came in to force in the UK. Cropped ears were banned waaaay before his birth.

As for parks, we don’t go to dog parks, either. Just one single situation gone wrong can escalate into an attack or fight, which can cause life-long reactivity or fear aggression. It’s too much of a risk.
 
Sooo I think a common theme I'm hearing is something about dog parks? And how they're bad?
Ha, I kid.

But I never worried too much to be honest. The park is gate controlled which you need to obtain from the office and in order to get one you need to show proof of shots and rabies vaccine. Still I'm grateful for the advice and will reconsider taking him there. I think also a factor that played into me taking him there this long is that I've known the best times to take him when the "regulars" show up so most all dogs and people he interacts with have known him since he was 3 or 4 months old. Still, now that he has entered puberty some reconsideration is in order.
 
I would avoid tug of war with other dogs as that is one thing that will get the dogs amped up and could lead to a fight.
I don’t even play tug with my two. Of course they are only allowed balls because they chew and swallow everything else.:facepalm:
What part of Fl. are you from?

We live in west broward county.
 
Good looking boy you have there, kind of a different look with a docked tail but uncropped ears. Did you have to request from the breeder to not crop?

As for temperament, you are just at the beginning of your boy getting his testosterone. You will be tested over the next 12 months ya as he slowly matures. This is the time where your rules of what is expected need to be in place. Firm leadership from you and your family is a must for him to know his place.

As other have stated, I don’t do dog parks, or play dates with other dogs. Socializing is to desensitize our dogs from the outside environment. People, other dogs, wild life are just part of the environment that my dog understands is out there but causes no stress or excitement. Our dogs need to be engaged with us, we are there source of fun and more so than anything else.


Thank you very much. When we had finally settled on a breeder they notified us that they had the tails docked at a few days old but that they left the ear cropping up to the parents of the homes they were going to. Unfortunately there is more of a negative stigma when it comes to dogs and cropped ears here in S. Florida; that and the fact that there are very few vets that still do it (I'm talking 1 or 2 that I could find in a tri-county area) and that it can be very expensive down here.

Gotta say though, I love his ears and the expressiveness that he conveys with them.
 
when the "regulars" show up so most all dogs and people he interacts with have known him since he was 3 or 4 months old. Still, now that he has entered puberty some reconsideration is in order.
We also don't do dog parks.

I used to take Kaiser to Doberman gatherings at someone's house. Very controlled environment with very experienced owners (we are totally new to the breed, with me having zero dog experience), it was around the 6-8 month mark that another boy of the same age started snarling at Kaiser. With enough experienced people around they intervened. Some of the older fixed males would also stalk him and that behavior was also watched carefully. Point of all this is to say that there is risk even when well trained dogs are around each other. I didn't recognize a lot of the behavior but you've got some dog experience that may help.

Another story, we were in a parking lot just walking past a pitbull who moved like lightening and bit my dog and held him by his neck. My dog got free by pulling himself out of his collar which meant he was completely loose and spooked. The owner of the pit couldn't call off her dog. Thankfully no stitches but it was a real lesson for us to see how quickly the situation unfolded - that was two leashed dogs just walking by each other.
 
Sooo I think a common theme I'm hearing is something about dog parks? And how they're bad?
Ha, I kid.

But I never worried too much to be honest. The park is gate controlled which you need to obtain from the office and in order to get one you need to show proof of shots and rabies vaccine. Still I'm grateful for the advice and will reconsider taking him there. I think also a factor that played into me taking him there this long is that I've known the best times to take him when the "regulars" show up so most all dogs and people he interacts with have known him since he was 3 or 4 months old. Still, now that he has entered puberty some reconsideration is in order.

You're supposed to have all that for dogs that go to the dog parks around here but having annual shots is no guarantee that the owner is 'good' or attentive. So many times, we've seen people sitting on a bench on their phone and letting their dog go wild. Or dogs at the end of their leashes, practically on two legs going into the park. Or little dogs on the 'big dog side' because the play 'rough.' Or bringing high value items like balls/frisbees/etc. to the dog park. All of these things are terrible and irresponsible behaviors by owners. A dog came after Rubie once and we overheard people saying that 'the Doberman started it.' I told them that was NOT the case and they weren't there to see it so they needed to back off.

The regulars are almost worse! I've seen them standing in a circle talking and totally oblivious to anything going on around them!

Rubie is take or leave it with the dog park and we've found other ways of getting out excess energy so we don't go anymore and haven't for over a year.

If you are going to continue to go, Recall, Leave its, and knowing how to break up fights is essential but really, like others have said, it's not worth it.
 
The local dog park here is totally unsupervised and no requirements in place to produce vaccination documents.

Little dogs are in big dog areas. People socialize with each other and ignore their dogs. I call it the breakfast club, because the dogs are ready to leave and the owners hang out eating, reading and socializing for hours.
 
@Winstonftw ... is your dog park part of your HOA?? and there for semi-private? If so, just go on off hours...

If you are going to a public park, go when nobody is there, I mean nobody. Like 7am...second dog comes in, you go out...

We're all been through this dog park crap and seen CHAOS & Injury...this is why we harp on it....You have a Doberman, not a dog...

Doberman's fight differently and can harm others in seconds...and a Doberman who is young or not trained can be seriously injured...

Enjoy your Doberman and keep him safe. :)
 
The local dog park here is totally unsupervised and no requirements in place to produce vaccination documents.

Little dogs are in big dog areas. People socialize with each other and ignore their dogs. I call it the breakfast club, because the dogs are ready to leave and the owners hang out eating, reading and socializing for hours.

That sounds horrible. Can't imagine what goes through people's minds thinking that they can just leave their dogs to be unsupervised.
 

Back
Top