Recall training help!

Avalouise

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Hi guys! I hope everyone has been well! I'm looking for some training advice! I had been in contact with what seemed like a great trainer in the last few weeks but with some school bills due I've been trying to work on the issues myself (and with my fiancé) because Mowgli sure does love learning and for the most part has been so well behaved.

I'm actually incredibly proud of how far along he has come and how easy in general he was to train... Loose leash walking for example, potty training, fun little tricks, not bothering my cats or chasing squirrels/bunnies, and the fact that I can leave him unsupervised in my living room for a few hours and he touches nothing except his own toys.

However we have struggled so much with recall! We will take him to bigger fields usually at least once a day to throw a ball so that he gets a chance to really stretch his legs. He doesn't have any interest in running away from us, and he won't run up to other people or dogs at all which is good but getting him to come back to us has turned into a game for him. Thinks it's funny to dodge you and prance around you in circles with the ball in his mouth. He's not very treat motivated when we're out playing, only inside does he care a ton for treats. SOMETIMES having a soccer ball as a lure (he likes them way more than tennis balls?) will work but only because he's so determined to get the soccer ball from you that he'll run back, not because he actually is listening.

I've given him praise and treats for coming back and dropping the ball and sitting but he only does that maybe once out of four or five times. Running and dodging us seems to be more fun to him than praise and treats. When he was much younger this wasn't an issue, he's about 10.5 months old now so I realize his teenage personality is coming out.

I'm going to spend the afternoon doing some reading and watching more training videos but I wanted some Doberman-specific opinions! Here's a picture from a couple of weeks ago!

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Don't chase him or it becomes a game! Play is done when you say it's done.

can you leave a 15' long lead on him so he's easier to grab (by stepping on the leash)? are you adverse to eCollar training? Do you have several balls so as soon as he brings one back and drops it, you can throw another?
 
Don't chase him or it becomes a game! Play is done when you say it's done.

can you leave a 15' long lead on him so he's easier to grab (by stepping on the leash)? are you adverse to eCollar training? Do you have several balls so as soon as he brings one back and drops it, you can throw another?

I'm not necessarily against e-collars but would prefer not to use one because we've made it this far without one and this is the only behavioral stint we have struggled with. We will use another ball as a lure but I refuse to throw it until he sits and he'll just prance around me in a circle with the other ball in his mouth. If you start to dribble the soccer ball with your feet he'll immediately drop the tennis ball and dive for the soccer ball but just to try and grab and take off again. that's been our method thus far, making him drop the tennis ball and then grabbing the soccer ball fast enough so he can't take off with it but it's ridiculous.

Using a long lead is a good idea, I actually just picked one up the other day that is about 15 feet long and a thin bungee material. I'll have to try that
 
I'm not necessarily against e-collars but would prefer not to use one because we've made it this far without one and this is the only behavioral stint we have struggled with. We will use another ball as a lure but I refuse to throw it until he sits and he'll just prance around me in a circle with the other ball in his mouth. If you start to dribble the soccer ball with your feet he'll immediately drop the tennis ball and dive for the soccer ball but just to try and grab and take off again. that's been our method thus far, making him drop the tennis ball and then grabbing the soccer ball fast enough so he can't take off with it but it's ridiculous.

Using a long lead is a good idea, I actually just picked one up the other day that is about 15 feet long and a thin bungee material. I'll have to try that

I understand your position on eCollars but remember, they serve to re-enforce behavior your dog already knows.

The long lead is a great place to start, just do NOT try to grab it with your hands when he's taking off or else you'll get a nasty rope burn! And you want to try avoid stepping on it while he's full out or he'll get a nasty tug. There should be plenty video's on the interwebz about training recall with a long lead.

Will he do a sit and stay so you can approach him? That might be something else you could work on and throw some additional training in while you play! Good luck!
 
Playing ball is a fun game but not a bonding game, you must first teach that fun is with you. Foundation work is such a huge key when starting a puppy, I would switch to a tug and put a 10 to 15 foot drag line on him. Playing tug is more about playing with you vs chasing a ball that you throw. By building more of a personal bond of playing tug and teaching him to bring the tug for more tug play, eventually he will understand the process of play with the ball and bring it to you to play. I always use balls on a rope to build engagement with me periodically during play.
 
Recall has always been a problem with my 16 week old. She has gotten better but I have to bribe her. "Rhea" then treat. Rhea "Come" then treat. Funny enough, she has almost perfect recall when I say "Treat".
 
I have a regular recall command “here” and an emergency recall “lucky” with my Shadow. Shadow will come bulting for the emergency recall and just trot for the regular recall.
 
I agree with everyone else to switch to a long line. Just remember the more he gets chances to blow you off on recall the harder it will be. Recall is a very important skill but probably the one that will take the most patience in setting it up right. Keep him close while he's young and just keep reinforcing and engaging with him. Build a solid foundation until he is mature enough to be trusted with a bit more freedom.

If you ever want him truly offleash, the only way to guarantee he will recall 100% is with an ecollar. Dogs don't understand chasing that bunny into the road could hurt them. The ecollar is for their safety and your peace of mind.
 
We use the long line, too. It’s invaluable! Always pair it with a harness. Never attach it to a neck collar as it could do some serious damage.
Also, I see your harness has a front attachment, does it have a back attachment too? (I would imagine so) Make sure you use the back attachment. That way, it will flow off the back of him and is less likely to get tangled up in his legs and belly.


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I discovered yesterday that Rhea will recall to a clucking noise. I wonder if her breeders used to cluck at their dogs. She perks up and comes running.
 
Haha! Kind of. I started clucking with a song my kids were listening to on Alexa. I’m going to get a clicker trainer next time I go to the store to see if she will respond to it too.
I always make different noises when I am working dogs. Thru associated learning it becomes a rewarding sound and means good things are happening or coming.
 
Wow!! We went out today with a 20ft lead and what a difference it made! Once he felt one of us step on it he’d immediately stop and sit, I think just because he wasn’t used to the feeling maybe? We had such a good time, he didn’t try to run away or dodge at all!!

That's awesome news! Recall training is one of those things that needs to be constantly trained and reinforced. If he starts doing well, I would still give him several weeks of additional practice before thinking about taking him off it (if even at all).

Something I've had to tell dog dad time and time again; EVEN if they blow you off and don't "COME" on the 1st, 3rd, or 10th call, be SO HAPPY when they do come. I will crouch down and start taking in a very fun, high pitched voice. Should they blow you off until you're blue in the face repeating yourself? No. But sometimes they get on the trail of something that is super enticing. Just always be fun! And yes, a tug toy is great way to get them to engage WITH you. We use it a lot during agility so that the dog learns to celebrate with us.
 

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