Puppy vacinations

[Dobielurcher]

Hi everyone...
Just got home with my new puppy. She's 10 weeks old, she's had no vaccinations so far.
I'm wanting to hear your thoughts pls people.
20 years ago eith my dogs I only ever had the first set of vaccinations. The 12 week jab is for distemper and parvo, also rabies. The next 2 advised are for rabies and more parvo.
Living in the UK, rabies is not a problem and I feel like many vets will tell you things to make money.
Can you tell me your thoughts on this pls.
I feel one jab should be sufficient but would like to see your opinions.
Thankyou in advance xxx

 

[Doberman Gang]

1 year Rabies shot as a puppy then we do every 3 years after 1 year old

 

[Kaiser2016]

I believe the puppy rabies shot is already done by the breeders vet? Did you get any paperwork to show this? I would double check this first. There is a booster at 3 months I think, and maybe another one at a year old? Your vet should be able to clarify the schedule. I believe in doing the full first set of Rabies shots and THEN going forward, doing titer testing which should show immunity. IOW, not over-vaccinating. Unless there is a law requiring more frequent vaxxing. Kaiser is now 7 and we've never re-vaxed him for rabies since the first set of shots. His titers always come up with sufficient antibodies. Rabies isn't a problem here either, but there is no cure once a dog is affected so you should not take the chance. Plus, any place you go for training, boarding, or play with your pup, they will ask for proof of vax.

 

[Ravenbird]

Laws might be different in the UK, but in the US they must have Rabies vaccine, including the puppy initial vaccine and I believe 2 boosters. Then on to every year or every 3 year boosters. IF your dog bites someone and is not vaccinated for Rabies you are liable for the 14 day hold at a facility or in extreme bite cases your dog can be euthanized because the ONLY way to test for rabies is necropsy of brain. Not worth nit-picking a puppy shot. This is US laws, which vary by state, but if your breeder has already lacked in beginning puppy vaccines, you should feel obligated to catch up now.

 

[Dobielurcher]

I believe the puppy rabies shot is already done by the breeders vet? Did you get any paperwork to show this? I would double check this first. There is a booster at 3 months I think, and maybe another one at a year old? Your vet should be able to clarify the schedule. I believe in doing the full first set of Rabies shots and THEN going forward, doing titer testing which should show immunity. IOW, not over-vaccinating. Unless there is a law requiring more frequent vaxxing. Kaiser is now 7 and we've never re-vaxed him for rabies since the first set of shots. His titers always come up with sufficient antibodies. Rabies isn't a problem here either, but there is no cure once a dog is affected so you should not take the chance. Plus, any place you go for training, boarding, or play with your pup, they will ask for proof of vax.

She's not a purebred so no papers. I was a little dissapointed when I got there. The girl was lovely but not very clued up on the important questions I was asking such as dates of the last worming tick n flea tablets or meds. N also I was asking about lungworm preventative. My cousin had a pup from the same bitch and sire last year n he's amazing she couldn't praise the dog enough. So I felt confident it was a good breeder and blood line.

Laws might be different in the UK, but in the US they must have Rabies vaccine, including the puppy initial vaccine and I believe 2 boosters. Then on to every year or every 3 year boosters. IF your dog bites someone and is not vaccinated for Rabies you are liable for the 14 day hold at a facility or in extreme bite cases your dog can be euthanized because the ONLY way to test for rabies is necropsy of brain. Not worth nit-picking a puppy shot. This is US laws, which vary by state, but if your breeder has already lacked in beginning puppy vaccines, you should feel obligated to catch up now.

That's such a good point re if the dog bites someone n has not had the rabies jab. I'm pretty sure in the UK they don't bother asking or testing they will definitely just put the dog to sleep. So over here it was a jab at 12 weeks n then another 2 jabs pretty soon after. My pup in Thailand 20 years ago I bought from a market...doberman rottie x had parvo. She survived amazingly n it's horrific.. my dad got an English mastiff a few years later once I moved bk to the UK and he died of it. OK so I think ur advise is good...get the 3 jabs xxxx

 

[JanS]

I was a little dissapointed when I got there. The girl was lovely but not very clued up on the important questions I was asking such as dates of the last worming tick n flea tablets or meds. N also I was asking about lungworm preventative.

As lovely girl as she might be, I don't think she should be purposely breeding a mix like that. Reputable breeders provide you with proof of vaccinations, vet appointments and worming, to mention a few.

 

[Dobielurcher]

As lovely girl as she might be, I don't think she should be purposely breeding a mix like that. Reputable breeders provide you with proof of vaccinations, vet appointments and worming, to mention a few.

It's her dad's farm/business. She is staying with him for a few weeks. He was delivering another one of the pups to a client 100 miles away. I got there later than planned so I missed him, but was hoping to meet him. She was lovely but not very clued up. I have loads of snails n slugs in my garden at night so really wanted to know if they'd given her any treatment for lungworm...

 

[Rits]

She should have had her first Distemper/Parvo puppy vaccines already at 9 weeks with the breeder.

Then another round of Distemper/Parvo at 12 weeks.

Then the last round of puppy Distemper/Parvo vaccines at 16 weeks until she gets her booster at 1 year old.

Rabies should be split from any vaccines and given at 24 weeks. Then 3-4 weeks apart from your Distemper/Parvo booster at 1 year old. Also make sure she isn't vaccinated when sick.

 

[strykerdobe]

Do a search on this site about vaccines. Lots of info I have posted. Any questions you can PM me. The Dr. Jean Dodds, DVM recommendations that @Rits posted is a good schedule to follow. Also, will depend on the lifestyle of the pet. Actually Dr. Dodds is a protege of Dr. Ronald Schultz, PhD.

Also, you can look up Dr. Ronald Schultz, PhD He was a teaching professor at Wisconsin-Madison Vet school. He is the reason vaccine protocols have changed (but it took 30yrs) from Yearly to Every 3yrs for Core vaccines. BUT a Blood Titer at 3yrs should be done first to check for a Positive Titer. If so, then you don't have to Vaccinate. His research goes back to the 70's.
A few main things I remember at a vaccine seminar Dr. Schultz gave. #1 more vaccines do not mean more protection. #2 Puppy vaccines are needed but too much of a good thing can be a bad thing. #3 Core Vaccines can last 5-7yrs and up to the life of the pet. #4 The immune system is like a running movie with ups and downs. Titers will not stay High all the time. They will drop. If they didn't the immune system would be overworked. Once a disease is detected then the immune system will then make more antibodies for that disease. Some Labs have different low levels which they say are protective. Again, according to Dr. Schultz any number that is shown on a Blood Titer is protective.

We never get any Combo Wombo 5, 6, 7, 8, 9way vaccines. Also Never have a Rabies given at the same time with any other vaccines. Should wait at least 1 month or more in-between Rabies and any other vaccines. Vets should now be giving the Rabies vaccine in one of the rear legs and not in the neck area. This is due to Injection-site sarcomas commonly occur in cats but can also occur in dogs.
We waited 1yr to get the Rabies Vaccine. If they are going to give it in the neck area then tell them to give it in the rear leg and document which leg and where in the pet's office notes. For info the 1yr Rabies vaccine is the same as the 3yr vaccine. Just labeled different.

After Core Puppy vaccines (Parvo, Distemper and Adenovirus) usually last ones at 16-18 weeks. We do a Blood Titer at 21 weeks to make sure they have a Positive Titer for them. Just because a vaccine is given its not 100% they are protected. A Blood Titer is the only way to determine this protection. Because some pets can be a Genetic non-Responder (estimates of non-Responders could be 1 in 1,000 dogs or 1 in 5,000 dogs), or Vaccine could have been bad or stored improperly.
Boretella vaccine is really Kennel Cough is a non-vaccinatable disease. Its only like a human cold. Our last two Dobes (before I knew better) had the Intranasal vaccine and still got Kennel Cough. There are just too many bacterial that cause it. If you need to get the vaccine for boarding ONLY get the Intranasal and NOT the Injectable.

WSAVA Guidelines for the vaccination of dogs and cats​

M. J. Day,

1 M. C. Horzinek, 2 R. D. Schultz, 3 and R. A. Squires 4
Author information Article notes Copyright and License information

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7166872/

Injection-Site Sarcoma in a Dog: Clinical and Pathological Findings​

Terry M. Jacobs,

1 Cathy E. Poehlmann, 1 and Matti Kiupel 2

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6005287/

 

[Dobielurcher]

Do a search on this site about vaccines. Lots of info I have posted. Any questions you can PM me. The Dr. Jean Dodds, DVM recommendations that @Rits posted is a good schedule to follow. Also, will depend on the lifestyle of the pet. Actually Dr. Dodds is a protege of Dr. Ronald Schultz, PhD.

Also, you can look up Dr. Ronald Schultz, PhD He was a teaching professor at Wisconsin-Madison Vet school. He is the reason vaccine protocols have changed (but it took 30yrs) from Yearly to Every 3yrs for Core vaccines. BUT a Blood Titer at 3yrs should be done first to check for a Positive Titer. If so, then you don't have to Vaccinate. His research goes back to the 70's.
A few main things I remember at a vaccine seminar Dr. Schultz gave. #1 more vaccines do not mean more protection. #2 Puppy vaccines are needed but too much of a good thing can be a bad thing. #3 Core Vaccines can last 5-7yrs and up to the life of the pet. #4 The immune system is like a running movie with ups and downs. Titers will not stay High all the time. They will drop. If they didn't the immune system would be overworked. Once a disease is detected then the immune system will then make more antibodies for that disease. Some Labs have different low levels which they say are protective. Again, according to Dr. Schultz any number that is shown on a Blood Titer is protective.

We never get any Combo Wombo 5, 6, 7, 8, 9way vaccines. Also Never have a Rabies given at the same time with any other vaccines. Should wait at least 1 month or more in-between Rabies and any other vaccines. Vets should now be giving the Rabies vaccine in one of the rear legs and not in the neck area. This is due to Injection-site sarcomas commonly occur in cats but can also occur in dogs.
We waited 1yr to get the Rabies Vaccine. If they are going to give it in the neck area then tell them to give it in the rear leg and document which leg and where in the pet's office notes. For info the 1yr Rabies vaccine is the same as the 3yr vaccine. Just labeled different.

After Core Puppy vaccines (Parvo, Distemper and Adenovirus) usually last ones at 16-18 weeks. We do a Blood Titer at 21 weeks to make sure they have a Positive Titer for them. Just because a vaccine is given its not 100% they are protected. A Blood Titer is the only way to determine this protection. Because some pets can be a Genetic non-Responder (estimates of non-Responders could be 1 in 1,000 dogs or 1 in 5,000 dogs), or Vaccine could have been bad or stored improperly.
Boretella vaccine is really Kennel Cough is a non-vaccinatable disease. Its only like a human cold. Our last two Dobes (before I knew better) had the Intranasal vaccine and still got Kennel Cough. There are just too many bacterial that cause it. If you need to get the vaccine for boarding ONLY get the Intranasal and NOT the Injectable.

WSAVA Guidelines for the vaccination of dogs and cats​

M. J. Day,

1 M. C. Horzinek, 2 R. D. Schultz, 3 and R. A. Squires 4
Author information Article notes Copyright and License information

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7166872/

Injection-Site Sarcoma in a Dog: Clinical and Pathological Findings​

Terry M. Jacobs,

1 Cathy E. Poehlmann, 1 and Matti Kiupel 2

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6005287/

This is great thankyou so much. Some really important points and I appreciate you taking the time to type it all up xx

 

[Dobielurcher]

Hi guys....so...uk is so so different from the USA.
No rabies at all.
Parvo and distemper...here...I've attached a pic of her card.
So basically she should of had a jab at 8 weeks n then 4 weeks later. I got her at 11 weeks so she has the 1st shot 4 weeks later (end sept) she will have the 2nd shot. Then that's it for about 12 months. Totally different from other countries xx

 

[strykerdobe]

Hi guys....so...uk is so so different from the USA.
No rabies at all.
Parvo and distemper...here...I've attached a pic of her card.
So basically she should of had a jab at 8 weeks n then 4 weeks later. I got her at 11 weeks so she has the 1st shot 4 weeks later (end sept) she will have the 2nd shot. Then that's it for about 12 months. Totally different from other countries xx

You probably will not need another Parvo/Distemper vaccine at 1yr. You should have a Titer done first to see if they have Antibodies.

 

[MichiH]

When are puppies considered fully vaccinated?

Pepper has 1 last round of DHPP. We walk the neighborhood on my street only now.

Was curious after 4 th vaccine is there a wait period?

Thanks!

 

[JanS]

You're usually pretty safe after the 4th one, unless there's an outbreak of something like Parvo in your area.

 

[MichiH]

You're usually pretty safe after the 4th one, unless there's an outbreak of something like Parvo in your area.

Ok sounds good thank you. Her new vet was pretty reasonable at last visit.
We are planning to go to the beach 6 days after her last vax.
I’m in Delaware and so is the beach a very busy state and a small one

 

[strykerdobe]

When are puppies considered fully vaccinated?

Pepper has 1 last round of DHPP. We walk the neighborhood on my street only now.

Was curious after 4 th vaccine is there a wait period?

Thanks!

We all take it for granted that once vaccinated the immune system creates antibodies from Puppy Core vaccines. The only positive way to tell
is waiting 3-4 weeks after the last vaccine usually at (16-18weeks) is given. By having a Titer done (at 20-21weeks) to check for circulating Parvo/Distemper antibodies.
Usually after 16weeks the Maternal Antibodies will be low or all gone from the Mother and will not block the vaccine and the immune system will make antibodies.
It's not often but it can happen that some dogs can be non-responders. Which the immune system does not make antibodies. This can happen for various reasons. Some the vaccine was bad, not stored properly, something is wrong with the pet's immune system or other reasons.

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