[May 26, 2012] Bronko one more time Junior class winner and BOB winner (UB Serbia)

[bestanera]

Bestanara - You have a nice dog - He is at the very top of the standard and stretching it. I have heard or have the impression that they use the wicket more in Europe and is another reason that they do not finish from the puppy classes. Ice can correct me if I am wrong.

Both sides of the world have very similar standards and both sides prefer that as breeders we stay within that standard. I would appreciate it that Ice cared enough to give you a heads up if you are new to breeding and showing that if you continue to build and bigger Doberman you will ruin the great start you have with your Bronko. You can be proud of your accomplishment -

Yes when you breed dogs at the top of the standard you do have to be careful what you bred them too or you will get some oversized and those puppies should be placed in pet homes as Ice stated. They are not standard and won't win over the long haul. Good breeders work hard to stay within the size standard. With the genetic load you will still get some over sized and some undersized - they are just not what you want for your breeding stock.

We are trying to help as we can see your excitement and how proud your are of your boy. We want to see you go futher not ruin what you have so far. When you say you have more coming bigger it raises a big red flag.

When I say bigger is not necessarily think the taller,doberman is a race that is still developing, as a breeder I am aware of the responsibility for growing and progress of the breead for example, there is a females that have a lower height limit and you must mating her with the taller dog that would be able to get bether litters. . and thell to Ice that im not BJB,on the contrary I can learn him lessons about the development, blood lines, standards, training dogs ect. .

 

[Dobs4ever]

Thanks Bestanera - but remember they should not be rottie built either. We are seeing this trend coming over from a few kennels over there - it is a fad and it is not correct. Don't get swept up in fads. They are passing and will return to the more correct Doberman.

The standard is set it is not evolving at all. We should be working to perfect that standard in our dogs.

 

[iceman]

I really don't have time to waste on silly arguments...........count me out on this one

 

[bestanera]

Thanks Bestanera - but remember they should not be rottie built either. We are seeing this trend coming over from a few kennels over there - it is a fad and it is not correct. Don't get swept up in fads. They are passing and will return to the more correct Doberman.

The standard is set it is not evolving at all. We should be working to perfect that standard in our dogs.

I agree completely, I just say that in the standard is lot of space for improvement of race,look Dobermans through the history of how it has changed and improved in every way. . standard was last time changed in 1994, which does not mean it will not happen and 2014, and in my opinion at large is responsible Gamon di Campovalno after he was World Champion1993,1994 , when he appeared they all agreed that in future doberman should look like that and standard was changed. . because he was prototipe of the future Doberman race. .

 

[Dobs4ever]

Gamon di Campovalno http://www.dobermann-review.com/feature/GamonDiCampovalano/index.html



Fedor Del Nasi


The changes in 1994 were primarly cosemetic not size standard. I just posted an article from Dobermann Review in 2002 on the standard and the problems since the c/d bans in some countries. Interesting read but no breed standard will change due to one dog and especially if it is not in the best interest of the breed.

If that were the case we would be changing the standard every other year when a new fad took off.

The doberman is and always has been classified as a medium sized dog. With the dangers now in opening a breed standard to the pet and AR people no breed club would take the chance. Everyone who has done so has LOST their standard.