[May 26, 2012] Bronko one more time Junior class winner and BOB winner (UB Serbia)

Congratulations on your wins with your beautiful boy "Bronko"! You should be proud! wins in the show ring are always exciting! :)
How old is this boy? Junior class? He looks like an adult already! what is the age of the Junior classes in Serbia? It is 12 months of age in some classes here in the USA and 18 months in others!
:congrats:
 
Denissov43 said:
Congratulations on your wins with your beautiful boy "Bronko"! You should be proud! wins in the show ring are always exciting! :)
How old is this boy? Junior class? He looks like an adult already! what is the age of the Junior classes in Serbia? It is 12 months of age in some classes here in the USA and 18 months in others!
:congrats:
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Thanks:) Bronko is 16 months old but he is huge and his height is 75cm,whenever I show up with him on dog show or anywhere people are impressed with its appearance and size and they are afraid but Bronko is one big baby:)He loves it when the people especially among children, always trying to cuddle:) in Serbia Junnior Class is from 9-18 month old dogs
 
You're right to be proud of him he's a fantastic Euro lad, I like him a lot as I'm very much a fan of strong well built Euro's. I see he is a big boy at 75 cm, the same size as my boy ;)

If you don't me asking how much does he weigh?
 
Tha
Marko1962 said:
You're right to be proud of him he's a fantastic Euro lad, I like him a lot as I'm very much a fan of strong well built Euro's. I see he is a big boy at 75 cm, the same size as my boy ;)

If you don't me asking how much does he weigh?
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thanks Marko,I am also a fan of big dogs and Since I am the breeder in the future of my breeding will be based on large Doberman, I expect in the coming months new litters to be larger than Bronko
 
bestanera said:
Tha

thanks Marko,I am also a fan of big dogs and Since I am the breeder in the future of my breeding will be based on large Doberman, I expect in the coming months new litters to be larger than Bronko
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And what may i ask are you planning to do with these "larger" dobermanns? export them to USA? :)
If you are a "breeder" (as you claim to be) you should know the standards of the breed and that dogs over the standard are not desired..
 
bestanera said:
Thanks:) Bronko is 16 months old but he is huge and his height is 75cm,whenever I show up with him on dog show or anywhere people are impressed with its appearance and size and they are afraid but Bronko is one big baby:)He loves it when the people especially among children, always trying to cuddle:) in Serbia Junnior Class is from 9-18 month old dogs
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He is huge, one can tell from his photos!
Like Marko says, and agree's that the big boys/girls do catch peoples attention! Ozzy is a quite larger boy too and he is gorgeous as well!
He is at the top end of the standard and if he gets much taller (doubt it at this age) he would be having trouble in the ring. Do not want them to be MUCH larger than the standards call for as it means they are too large and it is an issue with many people who do like the breed the size that the standard calls for.
I for one have a larger female, she is 84 lbs and 25.5" tall so she is quite stocky and so is my male. He is not tall at all, in fact he is at the low end of the standard for height at 27" tall or 69 cm and he is 94 lbs or 43 kg and he to is quite stocky for his height. He is however a working machine and has incredible size and build for a working dog.. he may not win any beauty contests ( he may at that yet) but he will be titled in Schutzhund and My female is a champion here in two venues and will also be titled in Schutzhund. I think that the biggest concern for those who have the bigger guys like your Bronko and like Ozzy is that they become too large to do the 'work' that the breed is known for... so you will get some "critisizm' over his size here... as you can see from Iceman already. This forum has its 'size police' enforcers and seem to love to make those of us with larger Dobies feel like we are criminals now and again....
So from Marko and I, and probably Judith who also has the larger size Dobies, I am sure you will receive alot of praise about the beauty of your boy, but from others? Not so much... it is a shame that the 'size argument' gets so down right mean at times.... I for one have had my dogs be the 'brunt' of much verbal abuse over their size... but I have gotten over it and consider those opinions and forget them...
You might want to do the same! Welcome to Doberman Chat forum.... from a large European Dobie owner and lover! :)
Diva
 
Posted from the Puppy weight thread - So did Gemma Rose shrink since you said she was 26 12/ at 6 mo??????

Copied from the puppy thread with page # so you can check them out -

(quote)He has not been measured but he is now noticeably taller than Gemma when standing at attention adn both are standing in tandem... so my guess is over 27 3/4" or 28" but he is cobby dude!
he will be 9 months old tomorrow! :eek: pg 45

he is 27" tall and I have not weighed him since the last weigh in of 89.5 lbs at 7 months.. but he is taller and probably has put on 2-3 lbs..so maybe he is 90+ ish... but he has not lost any, just as active and busy as he can be and taller than Gemma now... pg

Our Russian Redhead "Pride of Russia's Red Rose" aka Gemma Rose:
we got her at 3.5 mo's she was 42 lbs, where upon she gained between 8-12 lbs a month till she was 9.5 months old.. at 10 months old just turned in this photo.. she is 86 lbs and 26.5" tall.. her grand mother Int. Gr. Champion Sergias Alexandrija's Adel Adriana is 106 lbs and 27" tall... she has very big 'genes' to fill.... compare to an Adult American bred champion bloodlines Dobie and you have an ADULT male top end weight coming in at 85 lbs...
an adult female top end weight coming in at 65 lbs. Gemma was 64 lbs at 6 months old. pg 19

Read more: [URL='http://www.doberman-chat.com/community/index.php?conversations/the-babba-savaa-baloney.11666/#ixzz1w81W1gNW(quoteO']http://www.doberman-chat.com/community/index.php?conversations/the-babba-savaa-baloney.11666/#ixzz1w81W1gNW(quoteO[/URL]

No one gets a hard time over size unless they are oversized - If Gemma Rose did as normal then she should have finished out at 27 + inches. So did she shrink??? Or is the book method of measuring not really accurate??? Which means that Babba has to be about 28 inches now which is still within standard so I don't think you have had that hard a time - I think everyone has been concerned as size is all you seemed to think important.

(quote)I for one have a larger female, she is 84 lbs and 25.5" tall so she is quite stocky and so is my male. He is not tall at all, in fact he is at the low end of the standard for height at 27" tall or 69 cm and he is 94 lbs or 43 kg and he to is quite stocky for his height.

Read more: [URL='http://www.doberman-chat.com/community/index.php?threads/may-26-2012-bronko-one-more-time-yunior-cllas-winner-and-bob-winner-ub-serbia.14111/#ixzz1w84E7orN'][URL='http://www.doberman-chat.com/community/index.php?threads/may-26-2012-bronko-one-more-time-yunior-cllas-winner-and-bob-winner-ub-serbia.14111/#ixzz1w84E7orN(quote']http://www.doberman-chat.com/community/index.php?threads/may-26-2012-bronko-one-more-time-yunior-cllas-winner-and-bob-winner-ub-serbia.14111/#ixzz1w84E7orN[/URL](quote[/URL])

So I hope we also have misunderstood Bantanera at 75 cm that is 28 inches which is standard size and at 16 months it is doubtful he will get much taller if at all - he is a stocky boy but that does not make him oversized by any means. He just wants to be sure to not breed them any taller or heavier he will not be breeding to the FCI or the AKC standards. They do have more of a cobby appearance but that also is not out of standard depending on the type of Doberman you like.
 
Denissov43 said:
He is huge, one can tell from his photos!
Like Marko says, and agree's that the big boys/girls do catch peoples attention! Ozzy is a quite larger boy too and he is gorgeous as well!
He is at the top end of the standard and if he gets much taller (doubt it at this age) he would be having trouble in the ring. Do not want them to be MUCH larger than the standards call for as it means they are too large and it is an issue with many people who do like the breed the size that the standard calls for.
I for one have a larger female, she is 84 lbs and 25.5" tall so she is quite stocky and so is my male. He is not tall at all, in fact he is at the low end of the standard for height at 27" tall or 69 cm and he is 94 lbs or 43 kg and he to is quite stocky for his height. He is however a working machine and has incredible size and build for a working dog.. he may not win any beauty contests ( he may at that yet) but he will be titled in Schutzhund and My female is a champion here in two venues and will also be titled in Schutzhund. I think that the biggest concern for those who have the bigger guys like your Bronko and like Ozzy is that they become too large to do the 'work' that the breed is known for... so you will get some "critisizm' over his size here... as you can see from Iceman already. This forum has its 'size police' enforcers and seem to love to make those of us with larger Dobies feel like we are criminals now and again....
So from Marko and I, and probably Judith who also has the larger size Dobies, I am sure you will receive alot of praise about the beauty of your boy, but from others? Not so much... it is a shame that the 'size argument' gets so down right mean at times.... I for one have had my dogs be the 'brunt' of much verbal abuse over their size... but I have gotten over it and consider those opinions and forget them...
You might want to do the same! Welcome to Doberman Chat forum.... from a large European Dobie owner and lover! :)
Diva
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I must have missed something as I haven't seen this size police enforcers you speak of or members here making other members feel like criminals?? I do not think that type of atmosphere is allowed here at DCF, anyways. There is nothing wrong with educating and discussing the standard, as that is what makes the doberman what it is. There is a reason the standard exists. Breeding over-sized dogs imo is just wrong...there are many other breeds that are much larger if that is what one desires. I like both types, actually. Somewhere in the middle would be preferable to me, but as far as finding the beauty in both types, I can do that. I'm not surprised at all that this, " I expect in the coming months new litters to be larger than Bronko", was addressed because there are people out there that may not realize that breeding out of standard is not a good thing to promote.

Bestanera, congrats on the win. I can see the excitement of you all showing through in your pictures. I can only imagine!

We all love everyone's dogs here...that is why you will see others liking posts and taking the time to comment on threads, no matter the type of Dobe!
 
Denissov43 said:
you will get some "critisizm' over his size here... as you can see from Iceman already. This forum has its 'size police' enforcers and seem to love to make those of us with larger Dobies feel like we are criminals now and again..
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I am not a size police...i was only making a point that if this guy is a proper breeder and he shows his dogs in Serbia, he should know better that oversized dogs are not desirable and are not allowed in the ring at any serious show venue.
Claiming to breed "larger" dobermanns, in some cases using the words such as "King" or "Warlaock" is a marketing policy used by BYB's in the states.so the reason i asked if he was planning to export to USA was that ;) (this was a joke)
There are loads of larger than standard dogs bred all the time, even by reputable breeders, but this is not intentional and all these dogs are homed as pets because in serious events the breed standards are enforced by the judges.
 
if the shoe fits wear it... if not? what are you worried about? there is a size police here and has been for a long time. I am a 'victim' of that police force.... having been bashed about the photos of my dogs hundreds of times... so I am speaking from experience here. You are not one of them Rits.... Iceman you are also not one of the 'Size police' as it where... in fact to teh contrary a few times...
so are some others who are no longer here but elsewhere, but the size police are still here.... just because you have not experienced it, is not to say that the 'police actions' do not exist...
so Please Rits.. if you are not guilty and you were not noted as being guilty or guilty by association either, so no need to worry yourself over it... Breeding over-sized dogs imo is just wrong...there are many other breeds that are much larger if that is what one desires.
Your singular comment here indicating your views as to size and breeding for it or not, as being 'wrong' is in fact an example of the kind of 'police action" I am referring too and you have only now just expressed it... as to the depth and the scope of these actions and expressions? You need only review posts about Gemma' from numerous members about a year or so ago.. perhaps you were blissfully unaware... I was not... sadly...

it exists here, whether you experience it or not, I was advising Bronko's owner to be aware it exists and not to worry about it, just go with the flow.... as it where.
 
Denissovi - Since you freely posted your dogs weights, as I copied above, on all the list you were on and were told on every single list the same thing I find it humerous that you feel there are only size police here. In fact this list has been far kinder than others I have read.

Regardless since at 10 months you posted this (quote) at 10 months old just turned in this photo.. she is 86 lbs and 26.5" tall and then said that He has not been measured but he is now noticeably taller than Gemma when standing at attention adn both are standing in tandem... so my guess is over 27 3/4" or 28" but he is cobby dude!
he will be 9 months old tomorrow! :eek: pg 45

Read more: [URL='http://www.doberman-chat.com/community/index.php?threads/may-26-2012-bronko-one-more-time-yunior-cllas-winner-and-bob-winner-ub-serbia.14111/#ixzz1wAS42bbD'][URL='http://www.doberman-chat.com/community/index.php?threads/may-26-2012-bronko-one-more-time-yunior-cllas-winner-and-bob-winner-ub-serbia.14111/#ixzz1wAS42bbD(quote']http://www.doberman-chat.com/community/index.php?threads/may-26-2012-bronko-one-more-time-yunior-cllas-winner-and-bob-winner-ub-serbia.14111/#ixzz1wAS42bbD[/URL](quote[/URL])

So if that is where they stop they are both still within range of standard. What was said as has been stated to Banatara is not to breed oversized as that is not what the Doberman is about. If people get solid advise and follow it then they have been helped and that is everyone's point. To educate and help not be a size police although I will wear the shoe of a standard police!!!! I think we even had a nail police at one time.

I just want to know which measurements are correct or if there was an error or.........

Iceman is very correct in stating the size concern as compared to the standard. Ice is very very successful showing and has a very beautiful bitch so he is far more knowledgable on what will win and improve the breed hence he expressed his concern in an effort to help a new person here.
 
iceman said:
I am not a size police...i was only making a point that if this guy is a proper breeder and he shows his dogs in Serbia, he should know better that oversized dogs are not desirable and are not allowed in the ring at any serious show venue.
Claiming to breed "larger" dobermanns, in some cases using the words such as "King" or "Warlaock" is a marketing policy used by BYB's in the states.so the reason i asked if he was planning to export to USA was that ;) (this was a joke)
There are loads of larger than standard dogs bred all the time, even by reputable breeders, but this is not intentional and all these dogs are homed as pets because in serious events the breed standards are enforced by the judges.
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Who are you to give me a lesson aboute doberman standard and size?? you wood be pride to have same dog as a Bronko in youre one
 
Bestanara - You have a nice dog - He is at the very top of the standard and stretching it. I have heard or have the impression that they use the wicket more in Europe and is another reason that they do not finish from the puppy classes. Ice can correct me if I am wrong.

Both sides of the world have very similar standards and both sides prefer that as breeders we stay within that standard. I would appreciate it that Ice cared enough to give you a heads up if you are new to breeding and showing that if you continue to build and bigger Doberman you will ruin the great start you have with your Bronko. You can be proud of your accomplishment -

Yes when you breed dogs at the top of the standard you do have to be careful what you bred them too or you will get some oversized and those puppies should be placed in pet homes as Ice stated. They are not standard and won't win over the long haul. Good breeders work hard to stay within the size standard. With the genetic load you will still get some over sized and some undersized - they are just not what you want for your breeding stock.

We are trying to help as we can see your excitement and how proud your are of your boy. We want to see you go futher not ruin what you have so far. When you say you have more coming bigger it raises a big red flag.
 
I have gotten over it and consider those opinions and forget them...
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Forget them, really?? Then why do you bring it up every chance you can?
The size police you speak of are responsible breeders that understand what breed standard means and why it is important to adhere too.
It also does not make sense to me why you would want to breed a dog with know heart problems bigger. Can someone, anyone explain that to me?
 
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