Your two are absolutely perfect where they are. No doubt about it!
Here is a photo of Jaspers waist for anyone looking at this thread wondering what the ideal waist is for a dobie. To me this is ideal- You don’t want a boney spine or protruding hip bones. You just want a clear distinction of where their waist is. No sausage dobies!
* I joined a doberman reddit group the other day. Saw a post of a clearly fat doberman. Like big. People were commenting “that dog is a unit!” Saying how not to listen to those who say he is fat. It was sad. I think I may just leave the group. Disappointing.
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