Help. 17 weeks and diarrhea

Pumpkin can sometimes make the issue worse. It's fiber which will firm up the stool, but it also absorbs water which will cause it to loosen again.
Keeping this in mind, give a teaspoon in one meal. It seems the extra spoon at the next meal is ruining things. Might want to experiment with the time. Perhaps the evening dose should be skipped and only a morning dose given so that she stays solid all day? Believe it, they can be that sensitive.

Once it firms up stop giving anymore. I used to buy the big cans of pumpkin purée so we would keep giving the pumpkin and ended up in the same cycle you're in now. Take the leftovers and freeze them in an ice cube tray so they're ready for next time. There's always a next time :rolleyes:

A puppy tummy is very easy to upset. New experiences can disturb their poops too. The first few puppy classes we had, K would have a nervous poop and then all the dogs started pooping, but he got better in time.

Good that you started the probiotic. Are you giving any other food to her? Treats?
 
Keeping this in mind, give a teaspoon in one meal. It seems the extra spoon at the next meal is ruining things. Might want to experiment with the time. Perhaps the evening dose should be skipped and only a morning dose given so that she stays solid all day? Believe it, they can be that sensitive.

Once it firms up stop giving anymore. I used to buy the big cans of pumpkin purée so we would keep giving the pumpkin and ended up in the same cycle you're in now. Take the leftovers and freeze them in an ice cube tray so they're ready for next time. There's always a next time :rolleyes:

A puppy tummy is very easy to upset. New experiences can disturb their poops too. The first few puppy classes we had, K would have a nervous poop and then all the dogs started pooping, but he got better in time.

Good that you started the probiotic. Are you giving any other food to her? Treats?
No other food or treats. We will back down to one teaspoon. Thank you for the response.
 
5 weeks??? Jeesh!!!

Listen to these folks. They are experts and believe or not, I would do what they said before I would the vet.

Revisit:
-Change to bland diet:
-chicken and rice.
-no free feeding
-probiotic
-pumpkin

I would even do multiple partial feedings vs full feedings until I felt like her digestive system has settled down.
 
Same today. Normal in the am lunch like a cow patty. How much pumpkin? We are mixing a spoon of pumpkin with a cup of food am and pm. Should we add more pumpkin? We are also adding forti flora once a day https://www.amazon.com/Purina-Veterinary-Fortiflora-Nutritional-Supplement/dp/B001650NNW

Dont like anything Purina and I don't like Purina Fortiflora. It has some questionable ingredients in it.

FortiFlora – Truth about Pet Food

https://truthaboutpetfood.com/tag/fortiflora
Purina’s FortiFlora – a dog and cat probiotic sold by many veterinarians – contains Animal Digest. Purina explains that Animal Digest is a “source of high-quality protein”, but FDA linked..

Animal supplements · Animals · Pets
Questionable Ingredients in Pet Supplements
March 6, 2016
FortiFlora is a supplement for cats and dogs manufactured by Purina, owned by Nestlé, and sold by veterinarians. According to Purina’s marketing material, FortiFlora is: “proven to promote intestinal and immune health and balance.” In fact, on the product webpage, it has allegedly received a total of 397 reviews for a rating of 4.7 stars out of a possible 5. Yet, the first ingredient in this “supplement” is “Animal Digest.”

Pet “food” is regulated (well, at least officially) by a variety of federal and state authorities. At the federal level, these include the Food and Drug Administration (“FDA”), the US Department of Agriculture (“USDA”), the Federal Trade Commission (“FTC”) and the Association of American Feed Control Officials (“AAFCO”).

While AAFCO has no enforcement authority, it provides guidelines for the manufacture (is it “food” if it’s manufactured?) of pet “food” and animal feed. AAFCO guidelines provide that Animal Digest is:
“material which results from chemical and/or enzymatic hydrolysis of clean and un-decomposed animal tissue. The animal tissues used shall be exclusive of hair, horns, teeth, hooves and feathers, except in such trace amounts as might occur unavoidably in good factory practice and shall be suitable for animal feed.”

The term “enzymatic hydrolysis” means that enzymes are used to bond molecules with the addition of water. Here are two short videos of animal products and waste undergoing enzymatic hydrolysis.

Avangart Technologies – (WARNING – images can be disturbing)

Nutritious Feeds, Inc. By the way, horses and cows have evolved to feed on grass. Feeding on food waste does not make them healthier. If it did, the cattle industry would not be the biggest user of antibiotics in the world. For example, in 2011, 6.2 million pounds of antibiotics, representing 80% of all antibiotics sold in the US, were used in food-producing animals.
I should note that AAFCO’s guideline does not provide for the labeling of the type of animal. Hence, the “animal tissue” can come from any type of animal, including euthanized pets containing the poisons pentobarbitol sodium and phenytoin sodium that are used to euthanize animals, as well as road kill. I should also note that at least one study has shown that pentobarbitol does not degrade (i.e., break down or neutralize) in the cooking process. An FDA report, dated in 2002, found:

“There appear to be associations between rendered or hydrolyzed ingredients and the presence of pentobarbital in dog food. The ingredients Meat and Bone Meal, Beef and Bone Meal, Animal Fat, and Animal Digest are rendered or hydrolyzed from animal sources that could include euthanized animals.”

So, in essence, “animal digest” is a cooked-down broth of unspecified parts (and more than likely contaminated) of unspecified animals obtained from any source whatsoever. Can we say “yum!”? Or perhaps it should be “yuck!”

Other listed ingredients are:
Enterococcus faecium – This organism can be both benign or may cause diseases such as neonatal meningitis in humans. Different (and presumably safe) safe strains are used in the manufacture of probiotics for both humans and animals.

L-ascorbyl-2-polyphosphate – As the label states, this is a source of vitamin C. However, it is a cheap (i.e., inexpensive) feed-grade source and is non-assimilated.

D-4582 = This one is a mystery. A search on Purina’s and the FDA’s websites came up empty. A general Google search had a lot of results but none related to food additives. Finally, a search of the International Numbering System for Food Additives also came up empty. My 2-legged has sent an email to Purina requesting information on this ingredient and we will supplement (no pun intended) this post if we receive an answer.

I should note that Purina mentions that this ingredient is made from animal protein “supplied by USDA-inspected facilities.” However, no mention is made as to whether the animal protein itself was USDA inspected. The commercial pet food industry is very, very good at hiding facts. For the record, all rendering facilities that process animals or other wastes are USDA inspected to ensure they follow their stated procedures and are not in violation of health protocols. The fact that the facility was USDA inspected means
nothing relative to the viability of the ingredients themselves. This is similar to a person selling a car and stating that it has been carefully hand-washed which has nothing to do relative to the mechanical viability of the car.

A final point is that probiotics are “live” organisms that need to be refrigerated unless they are freeze-dried and packaged in individual blister packs to prevent exposure to moisture (see, ConsumerLab.com). Purina’s label indicates that it:

  • Contains guaranteed amounts of live active cultures [Emphasis added]
Yet, FortiFlora is kept and sold at room temperature!

PS The Weimaraner on the box is not me. I would never endorse such a product.

Happy with my home-cooked foods,
 
Can also try Rx Vitamins Clay for Pets Powder, 100g
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Description
Rx Clay (Hydrated Calcium Aluminosilicate) is a powder supplement by Rx Vitamins for Pets that helps normalize stool quality. Rx Clay utilizes geological nanomaterial that adsorbs bacterial enterotoxins and increases the reabsorption of intraluminal water in the gastrointestinal tract.

Active Ingredients per 1 scoop:
Hydrated Calcium Aluminosilicate Clay 500mg

Inactive Ingredients: None.

Hypoallergenic / Vegetarian.

Dosage:
Give one level scoop (1/8 teaspoon) for every 10 lbs body weight‚ twice daily‚ when diarrhea is present.

For maintenance‚ give one level scoop for every 25 lbs or as directed by your veterinarian.
 
Just my two cents, my dude had diarrhea for months and several tests from the vet. I ended up switching vets and having them run a fecal sample that tested for anti bodies and it turned out he had giardia. After treatment his stool returned firm I also had switched to a raw diet as well. What type of tests has your vet ran? A lot of vets only test for cysts or what ever their called in the poop.
 
So should we try diar eze or rx clay. Today it’s like soft serve ice cream. Tried not giving pumpkin last night and it started off soft this morning. If we add in chicken or anything else it’s very runny.
 
Just my two cents, my dude had diarrhea for months and several tests from the vet. I ended up switching vets and having them run a fecal sample that tested for anti bodies and it turned out he had giardia. After treatment his stool returned firm I also had switched to a raw diet as well. What type of tests has your vet ran? A lot of vets only test for cysts or what ever their called in the poop.
We’ve had two rounds of Metronidazole so that should have got the giardia.
 
We’ve had two rounds of Metronidazole so that should have got the giardia.

I partner panacur with the metronidazole. 4 days of panacur and 10 days of the metro. When he had the diarrhea before diagnosis they had just used metro on its own with no results. However I can’t tell you what’s wrong with your dog just what was mine. But I battled diarrhea and loose stool for 3-4 months until it was diagnosed.

However, if you have the money and means I highly encourage switching to a raw diet. It went from mud pies to this.
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We have had her drinking electrolyte water for the last few days and things are a lot better. Pumpkin with her food also. My wife has siliac diease and her doc had her drinking it a while back. So I also was drinking it. It made both of us consipated so I thought why not give it a try. Glad we did.
 
We’ve had two rounds of Metronidazole so that should have got the giardia.
Metro is an antibiotic used mainly for diarrhea and is used in conjunction with a dewormer like fenbendazole. Giardia is difficult to detect on a smear. The oocysts shed at different times and may not be present when a fecal is done. They should send off a fecal sample to a lab to have it examined.

Arbitrarily giving an antibiotic without knowing the exact reason for its use plays havoc on the gut flora, killing off the good bacteria. It should not be done.
Antibiotic use should only be when it is absolutely necessary and the correct antibiotic is used.
 
Have you tried slippery elm?
I used it when Bane had really bad tummy aches - it's wonderful for soothing them. It won't resolve what is causing her diarrhea, but it will soothe her tummy in the mean time.
 
So no change in anything but more playing fetch every night with a little hide and seak. Now this morning straight diahrea. She acts as if nothing in the world is wrong. This is a uphill battle. I guess we will be adding the electrolyte water back into the equation. She has has absolutely no change in diet. We watch her like a hawk.
 
Did you stay with kibble or go to the boiled chicken and rice diet?

Even though a little more time consuming and little more expensive- After all of this, I would have to go to a raw diet. This is the one thing I could control and have testimony from others that this fixed their pups chronic diarrhea.
 
Did you stay with kibble or go to the boiled chicken and rice diet?

Even though a little more time consuming and little more expensive- After all of this, I would have to go to a raw diet. This is the one thing I could control and have testimony from others that this fixed their pups chronic diarrhea.
Nothing has been changed. Ordered some diar eze today.
 

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