Dawg 1419
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Idk yet. We are on day two. Last night I would say no. But it was only 2 feedings. I will report back in a few days.
Fed up with my dog and his diarrhea(PICS)
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Max Hawk
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I am really sorry your having so much trouble with this.. and your pup too.. he doesn't look sick ..I had a problem similar with a Doberman and he ended up having an auto-immune disease he had diarrhea from the time we brought him home as a puppy ..after trying steroids he died before the age of four.. that being said I would for sure follow a vets advice and if your not getting results then look for a different vet.. someone had to graduate last in their class. I hope you can get it solved ..he looks that a really sweet guy. Pumpkin is supposed to help a bit with diarrhea but of course this sure seems to go farther than just a passing upset. Hang in there and don't give up on him 
Dawg 1419
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Well after 6 feedings I’m disappointed. Had a major setback tonight. Pure water and nothing has changed. Same food, pumpkin, and dier eze. If anything it’s worse tonight as she went in the crate when we went to dinner. And right before we left she went out to do her business and did it. Guess I shouldn’t count my chickens before they hatch. Unbelievable
Kaiser2016
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The pumpkin is a diarrhea treatment and so is diar eze, I’d eliminate the pumpkin and see if that sorts her out.
strykerdobe
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Too much pumpkin can have the opposite effect! So yes I would try one thing at a time. I really think its beyond a pumpkin fix.
And a second opinion from a different Vet.
And a second opinion from a different Vet.
strykerdobe
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Maybe a 24hr fast then the boiled chicken and white rice?
disclaimer: I'm not a dog doctor. I'm a bioethics/micro major.
I stopped using probiotics a few years ago, and made the upgrade to kefir.
I tried a couple different methods and I prefer the powdered culture starter from the health food store compared to using live/active kefir grains. I used to have a source for raw cow's milk, that made the best tasting for humans, imo. But they sold their cow.
The great part for a dog, is that the kefir bacteria feeds on the lactose, so kefir can be made to be like 99.9% lactose free. Or, you can use coconut milk, or almond milk or coconut water. The Lifeway brand is lactose free too.
The benefit of kefir compared to probiotic supplements is the live population of different bacteria and yeasts. They latch on to the gut better, and they're not in yogurt or supplements. The doggy's pewp doesn't look super watery or look like it contains mucous or blood, but I wouldn't rule out a large intestine issue based on that.
--but from a (human) micro POV, after a CBC, and a blood allergy panel (don't know if they do that for goggies?), I'd start a regimen of corticosteroids that targets the ileum and the colon before I started working on a possible small intestine issue. If there is a bacterial infection like diverticulitis, the metronidazole should take care of it ---so that is good, it's a good AB for intestinal infections. I'd try to rule out every large intestine issue first because they're easier to treat, often temporary, and have a better outcome.
Someone mentioned a pancreatic enzyme deficiency, that could be a possibility. An enzyme deficiency could be causing Dog to not properly digest food and absorb nutrients. The feces would show higher levels of fats and oils, noticeable in the underwear (or carpet in this case). But there would be a reduced appetite and noticeable weight loss. But dogs eat cat shit because they think it tastes good, so I don't know if that matters..
Active with a good appetite and maintaining/gaining weight makes me lean more towards a colon issue like and inflamed/irritable bowel (or colitis in humans).
I'd do a steroid and a butt scope.
I stopped using probiotics a few years ago, and made the upgrade to kefir.
I tried a couple different methods and I prefer the powdered culture starter from the health food store compared to using live/active kefir grains. I used to have a source for raw cow's milk, that made the best tasting for humans, imo. But they sold their cow.
The great part for a dog, is that the kefir bacteria feeds on the lactose, so kefir can be made to be like 99.9% lactose free. Or, you can use coconut milk, or almond milk or coconut water. The Lifeway brand is lactose free too.
The benefit of kefir compared to probiotic supplements is the live population of different bacteria and yeasts. They latch on to the gut better, and they're not in yogurt or supplements. The doggy's pewp doesn't look super watery or look like it contains mucous or blood, but I wouldn't rule out a large intestine issue based on that.
--but from a (human) micro POV, after a CBC, and a blood allergy panel (don't know if they do that for goggies?), I'd start a regimen of corticosteroids that targets the ileum and the colon before I started working on a possible small intestine issue. If there is a bacterial infection like diverticulitis, the metronidazole should take care of it ---so that is good, it's a good AB for intestinal infections. I'd try to rule out every large intestine issue first because they're easier to treat, often temporary, and have a better outcome.
Someone mentioned a pancreatic enzyme deficiency, that could be a possibility. An enzyme deficiency could be causing Dog to not properly digest food and absorb nutrients. The feces would show higher levels of fats and oils, noticeable in the underwear (or carpet in this case). But there would be a reduced appetite and noticeable weight loss. But dogs eat cat shit because they think it tastes good, so I don't know if that matters..
Active with a good appetite and maintaining/gaining weight makes me lean more towards a colon issue like and inflamed/irritable bowel (or colitis in humans).
I'd do a steroid and a butt scope.
strykerdobe
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Yes all the store bought kefir and yogurt is pasteurized. This is why I use the Raw Goats milk, Fermented Cow kefir and Fermented Fish Stock, all from Answers Pet Foods. We also rotate with them every week.
Dawg 1419
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@jenniferwb0431 any news? Updates?
So this is just my experience.. I’m only an undergrad, and this is an ongoing project in my school’s micro lab.
I use the same powdered starter, but two variables with the milk.
I used pasteurized and raw cow.
When I start and grow the cultures with the pastuerized milk, that gives me a pretty good baseline of bacteria.
When I start out and grow in raw milk, the bacteria numbers are through have about 35,000 more ppm. But then they die off after about 24 hours. My conclusion is that the raw milk brings its own established bacteria and yeasts into the experiment, that they compete with the kefir cultures and destroy them.
The best results I’ve had, is to start off the powder in pasteurized milk, get the cultures established, then slowly add small amounts of raw milk over a course of a couple batches.
My hypothesis is that we need to start off with baby cultures, and have to feed them clean baby food (pasteurized milk) until they become a hungry angry little army. Only then are they able to process the lactose in raw milk with becoming destroyed. Once the colony is established, the evolved cultures can handle straight milk.
I won’t have this project finished until the end of next semester, but I think i have a pretty good handle on it, it’s repeatable, and I’ve been getting the same results so far.
Izzy’s Mom
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May I ask what vaccinations you were saying no to?
Izzy’s Mom
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I went and read about the Probios Intelliflora. Was thinking I’d like to have something on hand. One review said the product is 40% sugar. True or false, good or bad?
Kaiser2016
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I said no to everything
We did titer tests which showed he still had antibodies. Here’s the thread:Our first annual vet check up
I wish.
She hasn't been back since December of 2018. We are all going to wonder what happened to the little guy. 
Exocrine Pancreatic Insufficiency (EPI) in Dogs
If the pancreas fails to produce enough of these digestive enzymes, exocrine pancreatic insufficiency, or EPI, develops. EPI may affect a dog's gastrointestinal system, as well as general nutrition, and can cause problems such as weight loss and chronic diarrhea.
If the pancreas fails to produce enough of these digestive enzymes, exocrine pancreatic insufficiency, or EPI, develops. EPI may affect a dog's gastrointestinal system, as well as general nutrition, and can cause problems such as weight loss and chronic diarrhea.
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