Dominant dog collar?
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I had to look it up but it sounds like it's for aggressive dogs mostly.
leerburg.com
Our dominant dog collar was designed by Ed Frawley specifically to control reactive dogs that display aggression towards people or other dogs. In many cases these collars have saved the lives of dogs whose owners were considering putting their dog to sleep.
When used properly dominant dog collars result in behavior changes without a painful correction. Using prong collars or remote collars on aggressive dogs can often result in the dog redirecting aggression back onto their handler.
Non-dog trainers or dog trainers who lack experience dealing with truly aggressive dogs have written negative comments on Leerburg and these collars.
Those people, not only lack experience dealing with serious aggression issues, they also do not have an alternative training tool (other than euthanasia) to curb or eliminate aggression or behavioral issues.
In our opinion killing a dog over behavioral issues should ALWAYS BE THE LAST RESORT. The bottom line is using a dominant dog collar and properly managing a dog is a humane alternative to killing a dog.
Leerburg | Dominant Dog Collar
Designed specifically for dominant and aggressive dogs to control their behavior. When used appropriately, dominant dog collars are a humane alternative to prong and electric collars.
leerburg.com
When used properly dominant dog collars result in behavior changes without a painful correction. Using prong collars or remote collars on aggressive dogs can often result in the dog redirecting aggression back onto their handler.
Non-dog trainers or dog trainers who lack experience dealing with truly aggressive dogs have written negative comments on Leerburg and these collars.
Those people, not only lack experience dealing with serious aggression issues, they also do not have an alternative training tool (other than euthanasia) to curb or eliminate aggression or behavioral issues.
In our opinion killing a dog over behavioral issues should ALWAYS BE THE LAST RESORT. The bottom line is using a dominant dog collar and properly managing a dog is a humane alternative to killing a dog.
Cferg
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Yes Leerburg’s site describes it in this light. But I notice a lot of sport dog people use them. And to me they seem to be nothing more than a slip lead. Also other sites that sell them aren’t marketing them for aggressive dogs. I understand they are just a tool, just was wondering if anyone had any experience. And why they would chose a DD collar over another type of collar.I had to look it up but it sounds like it's for aggressive dogs mostly.
Our dominant dog collar was designed by Ed Frawley specifically to control reactive dogs that display aggression towards people or other dogs. In many cases these collars have saved the lives of dogs whose owners were considering putting their dog to sleep.Leerburg | Dominant Dog Collar
Designed specifically for dominant and aggressive dogs to control their behavior. When used appropriately, dominant dog collars are a humane alternative to prong and electric collars.
When used properly dominant dog collars result in behavior changes without a painful correction. Using prong collars or remote collars on aggressive dogs can often result in the dog redirecting aggression back onto their handler.
Non-dog trainers or dog trainers who lack experience dealing with truly aggressive dogs have written negative comments on Leerburg and these collars.
Those people, not only lack experience dealing with serious aggression issues, they also do not have an alternative training tool (other than euthanasia) to curb or eliminate aggression or behavioral issues.
In our opinion killing a dog over behavioral issues should ALWAYS BE THE LAST RESORT. The bottom line is using a dominant dog collar and properly managing a dog is a humane alternative to killing a dog.
First time I’ve seen this- dog aggressive collar.
I can tell you in Ragnar’s younger years, he was very rambunctious, stubborn and extremely dog reactive.
Ragnar’s breeder came into town for a local dog show- she has been showing and breeding Dobermans for over 20yrs. She called me and told me to bring Rag to the dog show so she could see him. I showed up in the parking lot and called her to come outside. She said no, to bring him to the door and we would walk him around inside. I said no way…he was too dog reactive and aggressive. She responded to bring him to the front door now and she would handle him.
Ehhh…I reluctantly brought him to her and she put a thin show lead on him- tight and high up under his chin. We went through the doors and dogs were everywhere, I was sweating and nervous. Ragnar went off one time and she pulled that slip lead tight- up and under his jaw line and held his head up like a hang’em high cowboy. Ragnar did not cut up again and maneuvered around that building with utmost obedience to her.
Now I am sure a lot of that had to do with her years of handling Dobermans with full confidence and my newbie ignorance and lack of experience but that slip lead held him in check the entire time.
I would expect the aggressive dog collar is significantly thicker to prevent a powerful dog from breaking the thin show slip lead but can’t help but to think the thinner slip lead would cut harder under the back jawbone and provide more discomfort for disobedience. Kinda like someone digging their fingers in the sensitive pressure point area behind a humans jaw bone. One would need to make sure it is positioned correctly the entire time for if it slips down to the fat of the neck, it turns into a choke collar.
I am sure one can get or make a slim steel leader slip lead, kinda like what is used for shark or gar fishing.
I can tell you in Ragnar’s younger years, he was very rambunctious, stubborn and extremely dog reactive.
Ragnar’s breeder came into town for a local dog show- she has been showing and breeding Dobermans for over 20yrs. She called me and told me to bring Rag to the dog show so she could see him. I showed up in the parking lot and called her to come outside. She said no, to bring him to the door and we would walk him around inside. I said no way…he was too dog reactive and aggressive. She responded to bring him to the front door now and she would handle him.
Ehhh…I reluctantly brought him to her and she put a thin show lead on him- tight and high up under his chin. We went through the doors and dogs were everywhere, I was sweating and nervous. Ragnar went off one time and she pulled that slip lead tight- up and under his jaw line and held his head up like a hang’em high cowboy. Ragnar did not cut up again and maneuvered around that building with utmost obedience to her.
Now I am sure a lot of that had to do with her years of handling Dobermans with full confidence and my newbie ignorance and lack of experience but that slip lead held him in check the entire time.
I would expect the aggressive dog collar is significantly thicker to prevent a powerful dog from breaking the thin show slip lead but can’t help but to think the thinner slip lead would cut harder under the back jawbone and provide more discomfort for disobedience. Kinda like someone digging their fingers in the sensitive pressure point area behind a humans jaw bone. One would need to make sure it is positioned correctly the entire time for if it slips down to the fat of the neck, it turns into a choke collar.
I am sure one can get or make a slim steel leader slip lead, kinda like what is used for shark or gar fishing.
Cferg
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Gappay Dominant Dog Collar | Vision K9 Company
Funny you mention the wire fishing gear. Some companies do sell a collar similar to what you describe. It’s just vinyl coated thin wire rope with loops using crimped on farels to make the loops.
Comparing this to a prong…
I would think a slip lead is best when the dog is at your side and you have the mechanical ability to lift vertical pulling tight under the jaw bone. Yes, the prong should be used in the same position and manner but I think if I let Freyja loose leash in front of me and I use loose leash pressure to cue her, she would feel and react quicker/better than a slip lead. Again, at that distance, with no ability to vertically lift, the slip lead turns into a choke mechanism whereas the prong will still somewhat bite.
I am by far no expert but that old asshat Ragnar taught me a lot…..
I would think a slip lead is best when the dog is at your side and you have the mechanical ability to lift vertical pulling tight under the jaw bone. Yes, the prong should be used in the same position and manner but I think if I let Freyja loose leash in front of me and I use loose leash pressure to cue her, she would feel and react quicker/better than a slip lead. Again, at that distance, with no ability to vertically lift, the slip lead turns into a choke mechanism whereas the prong will still somewhat bite.
I am by far no expert but that old asshat Ragnar taught me a lot…..
I found that using a ECollar in this instance only pissed Ragnar off more and made him go higher into his frenzy- no matter how high I turned the dial - to 100. It’s like he felt as if something was attacking him so he would react harder. The prong collar is by far the best tool I’ve used to get immediate control. One just has to be strong enough and willing to lift his ass of the ground and hangem for a couple of seconds until he recognizes who is in charge and who he reports to.
A lot of people strongly disagree with that method and say it’s inhumane- you need more patience, consistency and time with the dog. While I don’t disagree with the latter part, Ragnar was a companion to take to the soccer complex with my girls and I. His choice was to stay home in a crate for 4hrs every evening or come to the complex with us….I did not want to leave him at home and I didn’t have months/years to do it the Fido/Lassie way. In the end and after many days standing outside the dog park fence, Ragnar got to where he would look to me before reacting hard because he remembered the consequence of going bezerk.
A lot of people strongly disagree with that method and say it’s inhumane- you need more patience, consistency and time with the dog. While I don’t disagree with the latter part, Ragnar was a companion to take to the soccer complex with my girls and I. His choice was to stay home in a crate for 4hrs every evening or come to the complex with us….I did not want to leave him at home and I didn’t have months/years to do it the Fido/Lassie way. In the end and after many days standing outside the dog park fence, Ragnar got to where he would look to me before reacting hard because he remembered the consequence of going bezerk.
It's the same as a choke chain, used like the old Koehler method. It takes a little finesse on a puppy/young dog, but doesn't take much power. Older dog? Rough and strong? Pulls like a train? You can damage their tracheae, it takes tons of muscle to string up a full grown Doberman, but yes, it will work. It was what we had to use at the vets for biting dogs back in the 80's. I see no reason for it any more. Prong collar is an easy decision for the dog, and it is their decision 95% of the time, pull or don't. And if they are out of control you can hold them up with the prong with less physical damage and more control. E-collar same thing. They know when it's on, they know the consequences & can make a decision. Super high drive distraction? Off leash it's an e-collar, on-leash I'd pick the prong. Teaching Asha to stop exploding at innocent people, trying to proof before my BH with just the fur saver, she went off at a stranger and I pretty much lost my cool. I pulled her straight up about 2" from my face with a hand on each side of her head and told her to cut that @#% out. I learned that day that collars take 2nd chair to getting eyeball to eyeball and telling them that they have really ticked you off. It wasn't a one & done kind of thing, but the respect really changed. This was a couple of years ago. I think the Doberman breed is one that would really respond to the in-your-face mad as hell because no matter how tough they are, they are extremely sensitive and emotional with their main person.
Answer goes back to the situation, the dog, the handlers ability. The collar itself I don't see any difference between it an a "lasso" leash, or a heavy duty slip chain collar as far as action goes. But the severity of action is on the handler. Asha would choke herself leaning on a skinny choke chain when I used one in AKC obedience practice. They are legal in AKC and I thought I'd have more control than a flat collar. Not really, she just leaned on it and made herself gag.
Answer goes back to the situation, the dog, the handlers ability. The collar itself I don't see any difference between it an a "lasso" leash, or a heavy duty slip chain collar as far as action goes. But the severity of action is on the handler. Asha would choke herself leaning on a skinny choke chain when I used one in AKC obedience practice. They are legal in AKC and I thought I'd have more control than a flat collar. Not really, she just leaned on it and made herself gag.
Truth be told, you can hold a nasty biting dog up by the collar, hang them up, choke them down to passing out and when they come to they have no doubt that you will kill them and the dog changes it's attitude. I didn't really want to say this "out loud" but that is the advantage. Not a method to use on a misbehaving pet for counter surfing, OK? This is a vet/dog shelter/dog catcher type thing when you have to handle the dog and have no other choice. I don't see a reason for it in any other circumstance. A prong collar you can still hang one, but it won't cut off the air, a slip collar will.
Now you know.
Cferg
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I guess in the videos I’ve seen dogs wearing them. While the dogs seem to be under control while doing bitework, the handler must’ve thought that the dog coming up the leash was a possibility.
Makes sense.
Rits
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I've only used them as backups to the prong collar in case it were to come undone. The leash is attached to the dominant collar and the prong, prong accidentally opens, you still have control of your dog. I agree the string up/choke out method should ONLY be used in extreme situations where you have no other choice. Ideally you would never need to use this method if you train your dog.
And let me add that this was in the 1980's before prongs & e-collars were on the market. There were few choices. I don't know what they do now, but I saw plenty of dogs that were untouchable and had to be dealt with, many that the only way to touch them was with a catch pole (broom-stick like with a slip noose on the end). I saw things I can't unsee involving bad dogs and dog bites and may be the reason I'm such an advocate with a loud voice on firm no-nonsense training when you have an aggressive dog.
Off the rails, re-directing at handler, coming up the leash if the dog doesn't get to bite the decoy? Yikes. I know that when Reckless (the Dutch Shepherd my housemate has) was a pup, she would get pissed and try to come up the leash and her owner gave her a couple of hard corrections and it stopped and never re-occurred. It all had to do with her not getting her way and being held back so she'd just come up the leash with teeth. The only time she's done it since then was at Fast Cat trials trying to hold her in line while she saw another dog chasing the lure or getting her off the lure once she got it. Unfortunately I think off the rails dogs are not uncommon in police and military. I've not seen the Dominant dog collar used in bite sports training, but maybe there's a legit reason - @Doberman Gang or @strykerdobe might know.
Doberman Gang
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We have used them before but they are a dog specific/training specific situation. Most people training will not be using them. They are mostly just a slip collar designed to cut off air flow. Some dogs can become more aggressive and turned up in defense when corrected with a prong or ecollar, so just another option in training for certain behavior.
Thanks for that input.
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