Attaboy
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Hi. This is a question I've come accross and was a big dilemma and alot of frustration (and it may be irrelevant now as I've found a breeder) but what if the answer is a 'family pet' - ?
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Dobe without a title
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Hi. This is a question I've come accross and was a big dilemma and alot of frustration (and it may be irrelevant now as I've found a breeder) but what if the answer is a 'family pet' - ?
DreamValley
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Did you check your future puppy pedigree? What is a longevity in the line? Did you meet a sire and a dam? Are they healthy looking dogs? Do you like their personalities? Did you see any behavior issues?
Test your puppy temperament before you make your final decision
How to Test a Puppy’s Temperament - For Dummies
My priorities when I pick a puppy:
- Temperament
- Health tests
- Titles
That's great to have all three
Did you find a breeder in Alberta?
Test your puppy temperament before you make your final decision
How to Test a Puppy’s Temperament - For Dummies
My priorities when I pick a puppy:
- Temperament
- Health tests
- Titles
That's great to have all three
Did you find a breeder in Alberta?
DreamValley
Well-Known Member
My Asha is complete A and Gino is more N. I prefer Gino personalities... that's not so much fun but easier to handle considering my busy life.
Marinegeekswife
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Even if it is a pet dog you are looking for if you want to do any sport at all I recommend looking for at least obedience titles. We got our male from a breeder without any titles and very little experience in working sports. He has been a wonderful pet and has done okay in Schutzhund but only okay. In contrast, our female is from a breeder with experience in show and work and has done amazingly in the sport so far. Much better than our male ever will based on temperament alone. Just explain to the working breeder that you are looking primarily for a family pet with working possibilities and you should get exactly what you're looking for. Good luck!
iceman
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I would be interested to know what good reputation this Nicole Gray has and what work or titling she has done with her dogs!!
MicheleM
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Her kennel name is DI'LIMBAZI Dobermans and she is located in Alberta. She works her dogs in Schutzhund and is a member of the DPCC. I know she health tests her breeding stock and screens her potential puppy buyers very carefully. Nicole has a web-site as well is on Facebook and is one of my friends on FB.
iceman
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Do you know her personally or from facebook only?
Dobs4ever
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Brad you have shown good interest in this breed and doing things right. While many think conformation is just a beauty contest it goes far deeper than that as it goes to the underlying structure of the dog which means a lot for a working breed. Sadly too many think it only a beauty contest and are not familiar with the study and care that went into developing a standard so that the dog can hold up to the work. Otherwise oversized would not be a problem, roached backs, crooked legs etc. The beauty pageant at least tries to address these issues........ it was never designed to evaluate temperament unfortunately that does create problems but those who are really interested in doing it right can find places to temperament test their dogs.
But based on your interest, and i have seen it befor, people get a dog thinking they just want a good pet then for one reason or another decide that they want to show or do work with the dog and sadly find out that it does have to have a supporting pedigree and titles are how you tell that. So they are very important to those who are truly serious about doing the best they can for any breed. If you feel you have any or might someday have an interest in working then you must find a breeder who has titled in the sport to have a decent shot at a working dog or even a show dog. That is why breeders test, trail and show their dogs - While it might be a flawed system it still have great advantages .........
MicheleM
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iceman
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So you recommend someone just by what you heard off the net? have you any proof of her titles or schutzhund work?
MicheleM
Active Member
Nicole trains and titles her dogs in schutzhund and I have several breeder friends that I have never met and will probably never meet but I would recommend them if asked.
iceman
Active Member
Seems like 6000 miles away, across the other side of the world and I know more about her that you do..
MicheleM
Active Member
Seems like 6000 miles away, across the other side of the world and I know more about her that you do..
I'm sure you do! Please PM and I would like to hear, at the beginning of this thread this person in Canada asked if anyone had knowledge of a breeder in Canada with possible working lines. I asked Dream Valley to please come on this thread because I know she has knowledge in this area.
Bord
Member
Did you check your future puppy pedigree? What is a longevity in the line? Did you meet a sire and a dam? Are they healthy looking dogs? Do you like their personalities? Did you see any behavior issues?
Test your puppy temperament before you make your final decision
How to Test a Puppy’s Temperament - For Dummies
My priorities when I pick a puppy:
- Temperament
- Health tests
- Titles
That's great to have all three
Did you find a breeder in Alberta?
Honestly, I'm looking only in Quebec and Ontario since I can drive there pretty easly and I don't really want to have the dog shipped to me or something like that. I Did not visit the breeder I'm talking about yet since he is around 4h drive from my place and he doesn't have a litter at this time. I will however go meet him in person this winter. I can post pics of his dog if it help you could help me judge
Dobs4ever
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Pictures won't really tell the story - at least not enough to make an intelligent informed decision. Just look at how easy it is for people to be misguided and misled, just as I do not believe titles tell the whole story, health testing does not tell the whole story but as you evaluate things a picture does begin to form. A total picture which gives you solid evidence of a solid breeding program and the ability to see what lies behind to help determine what might lie ahead.
It is the biggest reason everyone with a brain cell working wants a pedigree with some titled dogs in it. Because the titles do matter at some point. So if titles tell a story then I don't think you can dismiss them on any level. Each title tells a different part of the story......Breeders should be breeding for the total Doberman - and you just can't do that real successfully unless you embrace the whole picture, program etc.
For new people any title looks impressive but if you have a little knowledge you can read through the smoke and mirrors especially on the Euro folks who have tried to cash in on the Euro fad.
It is the biggest reason everyone with a brain cell working wants a pedigree with some titled dogs in it. Because the titles do matter at some point. So if titles tell a story then I don't think you can dismiss them on any level. Each title tells a different part of the story......Breeders should be breeding for the total Doberman - and you just can't do that real successfully unless you embrace the whole picture, program etc.
For new people any title looks impressive but if you have a little knowledge you can read through the smoke and mirrors especially on the Euro folks who have tried to cash in on the Euro fad.
Bord
Member
You mean like this breeder.
Élevage Doberman Strikerfire
Saw one of there dog at the pet show in montreal a couple days ago. There I saw 2 Doberman one that was in a show that I couldn't talk to the owner(didn't want to diturb him before or during the judgingandon) and the other one that was in a stand.
I talked to the owner of the second one and she asked me if I was looking for an ethical breeder wich I answered yes and she gave me the card of the breeder I linked above. After a few question she told me there was no top Doberman then I asked question about her's. It was a 3 yo male dob who wieght 70 lbs isn't that small for a male?
Since then I visited the link above and found funny that the top Doberman breeder supported z-factored.
It look pretty hard to find a breeder in Quebec even at the petshow there was no breeder and in the ring Saw only one in the whole day.
Élevage Doberman Strikerfire
Saw one of there dog at the pet show in montreal a couple days ago. There I saw 2 Doberman one that was in a show that I couldn't talk to the owner(didn't want to diturb him before or during the judgingandon) and the other one that was in a stand.
I talked to the owner of the second one and she asked me if I was looking for an ethical breeder wich I answered yes and she gave me the card of the breeder I linked above. After a few question she told me there was no top Doberman then I asked question about her's. It was a 3 yo male dob who wieght 70 lbs isn't that small for a male?
Since then I visited the link above and found funny that the top Doberman breeder supported z-factored.
It look pretty hard to find a breeder in Quebec even at the petshow there was no breeder and in the ring Saw only one in the whole day.
Dobs4ever
Hot Topics Subscriber
YIKES!!! The have an albino on the web site. Was this a sanctioned show??? I only ask because I am not sure what you mean when you say "petshow". I am not sure what Canada's stand is on the albino or how they identify them but I hope Michele M picks up as she will have a better info. I agree that is no one I would want to recommend.
Bord
Member
It's something happen once a year in Montreal where breeder from a lot of breed go so people get to know their breed. In the same time there is an agility contest, an obedience contest and a conformation. Now the dobe that was in conformation was not from them and wasn't albino loll. It's the second dobe that I saw was a red male and her owner gave me the card of that breeder Sorry if I wasn't clear
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