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Dobe without a title
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Dobs4ever
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PRetty sad if you ask me as it takes several things to make a good dog. Training, conformation and health - if you are going to do it right you have to do it right and that includes the total doberman. So It would lead me to question exactly what health testing they claim to do.
Titles is also a lot more than just conformation - that again is only one side - obedience and IPO are all part of this working breed. That is why so many dogs get into trouble - breeders have never titled or trained so they place they dogs in the wrong home - then they get themselves into trouble and the breeder has no clue.
Titles is also a lot more than just conformation - that again is only one side - obedience and IPO are all part of this working breed. That is why so many dogs get into trouble - breeders have never titled or trained so they place they dogs in the wrong home - then they get themselves into trouble and the breeder has no clue.
Rits
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I prefer both on both parents. I want to know that the parents are healthy and that they have stellar temperaments proven by a third party. Form follows function and I prefer a dog's parents that can hold up in a working venue meaning their prospects won't break down on me with injuries that were out of my control. I prefer to avoid as much heartache as possible so I would want my t's crossed and have body and mind on my side.
There are occasions I have noticed where one side of the breeding pair is not titled but pointed and/or have legs towards titles. I would have to know why this pair is important to add to the gene pool and search a little deeper into the history of the breeder - is it often they breed untitled dogs, do they actively participate in competing, and does the breeder have history that shows they know what they are producing (experience)?
There are occasions I have noticed where one side of the breeding pair is not titled but pointed and/or have legs towards titles. I would have to know why this pair is important to add to the gene pool and search a little deeper into the history of the breeder - is it often they breed untitled dogs, do they actively participate in competing, and does the breeder have history that shows they know what they are producing (experience)?
MicheleM
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Bord
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Ok i'll give more info on why I'm asking
I found a breeder and we talked on the phone for about an hour. I asked a few question about how he got into Doberman, where is dog where from those kind of think. I did research on the net with the name he gave me we talk about couple of thing cause I wanted to have more info on the breed and all but he never boast about having a champion or something but he did tol dme he was in a schutzund club. I don't know if it's my inexperienced but I kind of like that he didn't brag about his title but I forgot to ask him. So I wanted to know if all breeder title in every discipline or some just do some of the titling? I'm not sure if you understand what I mean
I found a breeder and we talked on the phone for about an hour. I asked a few question about how he got into Doberman, where is dog where from those kind of think. I did research on the net with the name he gave me we talk about couple of thing cause I wanted to have more info on the breed and all but he never boast about having a champion or something but he did tol dme he was in a schutzund club. I don't know if it's my inexperienced but I kind of like that he didn't brag about his title but I forgot to ask him. So I wanted to know if all breeder title in every discipline or some just do some of the titling? I'm not sure if you understand what I mean
dh8
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"Health testing" is a very nebulous term. In this case I'm guessing it means the usual quickie health screen vets do for a health certificate to board a plane or ferry. It does nothing more than tell you they don't expect the dog to die or be seriously ill within the next few days.
This is a link to everything that should be done health wise by a breeder IMO. DPCA | The Doberman | Health
health is always #1 for me but you aren't likely to find the real proper health screenings and supporting paperwork on the heath screenings without someone also doing the training and confirmation.
A good clue to how good a breeder is if you learn about them from friend recommendations and the breeder has a wait list for pups. A bad signal is advertising for each litter.
A good breeder also has a screening for potential owners and requires spay/neuter in all dogs they don't think carry the best genetic aspects of the breed. One or 2 in a litter may be real breeding quality. A good breeder also requires that the dog go back to them if things don't work out with the buyer. It's better for the dog and lets you know they aren't just interested in the cash.
This is a link to everything that should be done health wise by a breeder IMO. DPCA | The Doberman | Health
health is always #1 for me but you aren't likely to find the real proper health screenings and supporting paperwork on the heath screenings without someone also doing the training and confirmation.
A good clue to how good a breeder is if you learn about them from friend recommendations and the breeder has a wait list for pups. A bad signal is advertising for each litter.
A good breeder also has a screening for potential owners and requires spay/neuter in all dogs they don't think carry the best genetic aspects of the breed. One or 2 in a litter may be real breeding quality. A good breeder also requires that the dog go back to them if things don't work out with the buyer. It's better for the dog and lets you know they aren't just interested in the cash.
MicheleM
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I understand what you are saying and see you are from Montreal. Did you get a lot of informative information from him about his dogs after you researched him and spoke to him. When he says he's health tested his breeding stock did he tell you the health testing he has done? Does he own both the bitch and the stud dog?
Health testing that should be done on breeding dogs.
VWd,
Cardio,
OFA hips and elbows
Eyes,
Liver and thyroid,
He should happily email you results of each of these tests on both bitch and stud dog.
Is he a member of any dog clubs or kennel clubs?
Bord
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Yes MicheleM those are the thing he is testing. He is starting to breed doberman he as a dog from alto bello kennel, one from la villa valiano and one from of devil inside. the research showed me that those seem to be pretty good places but like I said I only talked with him once yet. so that why I'm questionning you guys on what should I check next with him next time we talk? He offered me to give me client's number in my area so that I could call them to have reference. He also explained to me that if I get a dog from him it was gonna be spayed/neutered
MicheleM
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DreamVally what are your thoughts on this ? Lisa is a experienced Euro dog owner that lives in Alberta. I don't know how to tag people on this forum. I hope Lisa pipes in as she has knowledge of Euro dogs and breeders in Canada. I do know one reputable Euro breeder in Alberta Nicole Gray that is a member of the DPCC, works and titles her dogs and health tests
MicheleM
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Of yes, I've flown down to the USA a few times and brought puppies home, very stressful. I can certainly recommend several reputable breeders in Canada but only know a few Euro breeders I would recommend. Hopefully DreamValley sees this thread
Archer
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DreamValley we are seeking your advice for this OP and new member 
What are your thoughts?
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DreamValley
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Sorry I was busy...
Are you looking for a show or a working dog? There is a difference between show and working lines. Most breeders who breeds for the sport don't title their dogs in conformation.
Are you in Alberta? Nicole has puppies right now. I don't know her but I know a bit about her dogs. Her kennel name is Di'Limbazi Dobermanns
Are you looking for a show or a working dog? There is a difference between show and working lines. Most breeders who breeds for the sport don't title their dogs in conformation.
Are you in Alberta? Nicole has puppies right now. I don't know her but I know a bit about her dogs. Her kennel name is Di'Limbazi Dobermanns
MicheleM
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FredC
Health #1, Just because none of us are former Beauty Queens or have Olympic gold, that doesn't make us flawed.. lol could you imagine if we held our human counterparts up to the same standards as breeders.. Only Olympic athletes could mate with Beauty Queens.. lol Meaning none of us would be here..
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