Best training collar - non prong or non choke?

[XerxesYoga]

After getting snapped on Sunday 5 times and a day of some fear from bigger dogs as well as French bulldogs right back at it!

Some off leash calling at 13.5 weeks well not all worked hopefully no e collar but by age of 1 it will be a different show.

Any recommendations on a good collar? No prong no Full chock yet. Something that tights up like the one I have but not all the way.

 

[Regalis]

After getting snapped on Sunday 5 times and a day of some fear from bigger dogs as well as French bulldogs right back at it!

Some off leash calling at 13.5 weeks well not all worked hopefully no e collar but by age of 1 it will be a different show.

Any recommendations on a good collar? No prong no Full chock yet. Something that tights up like the one I have but not all the way.

You may want to be careful about her getting snapped at. If one dog takes it a bit too far, it can easily create a lifetime of serious fear issues that can be nearly impossible to correct, especially since she's soooo young. It literally only takes one time.

For a collar, at her age you don't have a ton of options. I stick with flat collars or a normal harness until they graduate to a prong. A martingale is the only other thing I can think of, which I believe is what you are already using? She's wayyyyyy too young for an e-collar. The general rule is about 1 year before introducing the e-collar and then doing so slowly.

 

[XerxesYoga]

I went hard on Sunday give her less support on purpose, took her off leash 5 times as she needed to learn the dogs buddy language. She was with since 7 weeks old.
She use to jump on every single person in the street and every single dog. I tight it up the rules. Now she both more attached to me and obeys "No" better. Even inside I just give her look at that's it don't need to say nothing.
I bring a friend who is very young and likes to play with her over Friday everytime Audrey jumped I asked her to leave. Now she dose not jump on 98% of cases and obey "stay".
I do video next week.
E collar I am hoping to avoid actually by when she is a year old even.
Also choke and prong both illegal in city of Toronto! ( it is pending but u hear lot of shit from people. Penalty is 250$!)
Harness sucks she is too hyper and she was pulling I could not deal with it. I have 2...
I am looking for martingale wich is very thick leather with padding. The one I have too narrow and it is going to be small soon. Since she is growing don't wanna pay alot. What size your dog neck is now in inches?

 

[Tropicalbri's]

You may want to be careful about her getting snapped at. If one dog takes it a bit too far, it can easily create a lifetime of serious fear issues that can be nearly impossible to correct, especially since she's soooo young. It literally only takes one time.

My female is the perfect example of that happening. We are still working with her to get her over it. :/
I still cannot look at the owner of the dog that attacked Bacall in a training class without wanting to drop kick her ass!!

 

[Regalis]

What size your dog neck is now in inches?

Currently, his regular collar is set at 20 inches. So his prong is probably at about 17 inches. Training collars fit differently, even martingales. Unfortunately, there really is no way around having to buy multiple collars along the way, especially for ones that are not unlimited for adjustment. There are some reasonable priced and I believe adjustable to a degree martingales available. I wouldn't bother with leather until she's at least a year. Even at going on 10 months I'm still having to adjust collars for size and I expect that to not end until he's at least 18 months, though it has slowed down tremendously, he is by no means full grown. Some don't really reach mature size until 3+ years.

 

[My2Girls]

I went hard on Sunday give her less support on purpose, took her off leash 5 times as she needed to learn the dogs buddy language. She was with since 7 weeks old.
She use to jump on every single person in the street and every single dog. I tight it up the rules. Now she both more attached to me and obeys "No" better. Even inside I just give her look at that's it don't need to say nothing.
I bring a friend who is very young and likes to play with her over Friday everytime Audrey jumped I asked her to leave. Now she dose not jump on 98% of cases and obey "stay".
I do video next week.
E collar I am hoping to avoid actually by when she is a year old even.
Also choke and prong both illegal in city of Toronto! ( it is pending but u hear lot of shit from people. Penalty is 250$!)
Harness sucks she is too hyper and she was pulling I could not deal with it. I have 2...
I am looking for martingale wich is very thick leather with padding. The one I have too narrow and it is going to be small soon. Since she is growing don't wanna pay alot. What size your dog neck is now in inches?

I can't believe prongs are illegal in Toronto. There is no way I would be able to control Shadow if she really wanted to go after something without one. She is so strong.

 

[XerxesYoga]

@My2Girls there is nothing to do how strong you are. A dog even may get scared causes 1
slip on ice, who is paying for her bills? City of Toronto? Ironically the forces and service dogs are exempt from the banned! Don't make me strat with this.... It is not the province.
@Regalis very informative and fact however I was looking at something around 20$ can and adjustable. Well I end up with this as it seems better fit even I double the budget.
RC Pet Products 1-1/2-Inch All Webbing Martingale Dog Collar, Large 16 to 27-Inch, Pitter Patter Camo: Amazon.ca: Pet Supplies
Her neck is 14 now but I like the collar closet to chest instead of neck as I am quiet strong and she is young. Prong and actual choke are different I like to go more conservative than sorry.
But I like this as well:
Leather Martingale Dog Collar, Choker, 16" x 1" (20.5" fully extended), Black, 100% Leather (Rio) Stainless Steel. Read Description for correct sizing: Amazon.ca: Pet Supplies
@Tropicalbri's I am very sorry what happen to you. We do our best in our prospective tfor our kids as well as pets and sometime it goes the other way. We try to protect them as u took her to social classes and his happen you Nineveh know. I think u should hold the puppy school responsible. This was not fair to you and your family.
I am still looking for certain training for dogs I kind of interview trainers etc the truck the dog I know it is wrong trainer.
However with some breeds you need to be very very fearless with your choices as dog feels it. Don't think of if and else's we do our best.
Sorry I got busy with work potty training and etc talk soon u all need a beer!
Like I got vacation done vet called me asked me to check in her giving me a list now! She has some but I am not allowed to have fears.... She was again jumping at husky and boxers and shepherd they jump back... By the way I find in my short experience with dog parks don't take them out Sundays or weekends as there are many hyper anxious dogs trapped in crate or houses condos flats all week and they Cary lots of anger.

 

[Regalis]

The reason to have a collar high up on a dogs neck that still pulls on leash is due to anatomy. Lower down the neck is the trachea and esophagus, two commonly injured areas with pullers that can be life threatening. There is less risk for long or short term damage if the collar is "high and tight", such as how a prong is fitted. Even martingales should be high up to reduce the risk of serious and potentially deadly damage.

 

[XerxesYoga]

I keep the martingales her lower neck size when tighten or just abit smaller .... Generally meaning if the dog neck is 14 I give it closed 14 well as far they don't pull back and they can not slip the head off u good. It becomes more positive for the dog and dose not choke.
When we walk I give her only 10 inch leash so.... My rules or she has to split the mortgage!
martingales are created with this setting that's why the claim safer. I can handle her now summer and she is 13 weeks old.

 

[XerxesYoga]

It's full moon stop arguing with me u all right. Zzzzz ;-)

 

[XerxesYoga]

ungeheuer is sleep see how open the collar is:

 

[My2Girls]

How do you like the martingale? I've never used one. Is it just as effective as a prong?

 

[Drogon]

How do you like the martingale? I've never used one. Is it just as effective as a prong?

It depends on the dog. Some respond to a martingale while others just blow it off like it is nothing.

 

[MischasMomma]

How do you like the martingale? I've never used one. Is it just as effective as a prong?

I like my martingale because its pretty (was a christmas gift lol and I really do love the style) but I wouldn't buy another. Its completely ineffective on Mischa. The prong is the only thing thats worked for us!

 

[XerxesYoga]

Audrey super young for prong ( some use it as early as 4 months I would not until 7-8 months) and I can control her, I find out some days works 100 percent some days not. Depending on amount of exercise she done and if she got fed over the usual.
Since the city of Toronto law and people talk and I am step ahead I may use their products in a stage:
Custom Made Keeper Hidden Prong Collars

 

[GennyB]

I like my martingale because its pretty (was a christmas gift lol and I really do love the style) but I wouldn't buy another. Its completely ineffective on Mischa. The prong is the only thing thats worked for us!

We had to transition to a flat collar for therapy work. I admit we became pretty dependent on the prong, the prong makes it easy.
I used a martingale to help with the process. Started with both the martingale and the prong on a short tab. When the martingale wasn't enough correction, I reached for the tab. Eventually we got to a flat collar.
Sometimes I mixed in a fur saver to help teach a correction is a correction, even if it's more gentle.
It worked for Drake and Greta. So far Rumor walks pretty well on a leash and hasn't had a prong collar on yet. That day is coming as she enters her teenage phase. Sheesh, that girl is a handful.

 

[Doberman Gang]

Martingale collars should be just big enough to slip over the head. If when fully closed it is just getting right, it is too big and won't be effective. This is the same for prong collars and hidden prong collars. The hidden prong collars have an adjustment so once on the neck they can be tightened up so the collar can be used effectively.

 

[Gelcoater]

I can't believe prongs are illegal in Toronto.

Lol, I can.

 

[Gelcoater]

After getting snapped on Sunday 5 times and a day of some fear from bigger dogs as well as French bulldogs right back at it!

Some off leash calling at 13.5 weeks well not all worked hopefully no e collar but by age of 1 it will be a different show.

Any recommendations on a good collar? No prong no Full chock yet. Something that tights up like the one I have but not all the way.

From the video I don't see anything that stands out as aggressive or fear?
The one time the pup yiped the older very hairy dog backed right out. As he was supposed to.
I can't speak much about the other dogs in the video but I would try to get the hairy dog and the black lab to play with her any chance there is.
They seemed fairly stable and weren't giving the pup anymore than the pup was dishing out.

 

[XerxesYoga]

@Gelcoater you very correct the dog with curly coat is 10 month old and loves puppies. She played with him this morning as well.
The black lab is quiet strong for her in few months or two. She gets scared and went under bench hiding few times so not yet. It is not in video as I run to get her out and move the black lab back.
Also we have a year old female doberman who plays nice. Owner very alert as well. They played quiet long, they started playing straight away. The big doberman hugs play started at the end I wish I could video it. She was going at full grown doberman However then a very hyper husky and a different lab jump in she got scared I pick her up. The doberman owner takes her out same time, I can not tomorrow but Friday I will make it. I like her to play with other dobermans actually.
( we have more but they are grumpy old or A type and aggressive sometimes, they on leash or just play with owners.)
This morning she was back at going after German shepherd husky ( fully grown) then she can not keep up she starts crying hiding under my feet or under bench. Believe me she is the one teasing.
They call her sassy Audrey in the park everyone laughs.
She started avoiding small dogs and I don't mind it.
Just a lick and goes after big dogs.
Also she is abit of drama Queen she dose not like to be under. If a dog comes on top she crying even the dog didn't nip!
She will be fine I just need to be on top of play and very alert.