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Basic training, so many ways. I have questions and need some advice please.
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SD training for Charlie would be through a program we were introduced to by our vet office.
“Operation Freedom Paws”
We will talk to the trainers towards the end of this first 6 weeks training and see where we are with Charlie.
She will be our beloved pet no matter what we do. My husband was in a horrible accident almost 2 years ago that has left him disabled (blessed beyond belief that he lived and can still walk) he is retired military also.
If Charlie can help him get busy again with training and help him on the rough days…and if she is capable of this training, then we will go forward.
We will not take the place on another military brother/sister if Charlie isn’t right for the program.
Not right to do that to another vet OR to Charlie. (This is just my take, I want what is best for Charlie and if that can help my husband then YAY all of us!)
“Operation Freedom Paws”
We will talk to the trainers towards the end of this first 6 weeks training and see where we are with Charlie.
She will be our beloved pet no matter what we do. My husband was in a horrible accident almost 2 years ago that has left him disabled (blessed beyond belief that he lived and can still walk) he is retired military also.
If Charlie can help him get busy again with training and help him on the rough days…and if she is capable of this training, then we will go forward.
We will not take the place on another military brother/sister if Charlie isn’t right for the program.
Not right to do that to another vet OR to Charlie. (This is just my take, I want what is best for Charlie and if that can help my husband then YAY all of us!)
So sorry about your husbands accident. Respect for his Service, and your's too as home support, and now in Charlies training as SD.
Is this it?
Are you in the group training mentioned in first post at OFP.
Looks very good! Very impressive creds of Founder and Very interested and will be grateful to follow along with what you can share, to read how it goes for you all.
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Being prior military, I can tell you that having a dog period helped me tremendously- more mentally than physically. Hard to explain but gave me a better sense of being, a purpose more than wife and children gave me. Always there wagging the tail in the morning or at the door when getting home from work (always makes me smile and feel good inside)- following me around outside in the yard, no complaining, no constant issues or problems, no responsibilities or worries with being a failure. Don’t get me wrong, I love my family but a dog gives one a different form of companionship.
Initially, I had a pound Lab that pulled me out of my funk- had him for 13yrs I think. When he passed, down I went again. Wife and family begged me to get another. One day at the soccer fields I saw a beautiful Doberman thundering across the field chasing a ball, recovered it and then locked up a heel at owners side. I was in awe. I said, damn…that’s what I want right there.
Dobermans bring a different kind of companionship imho. They are very loyal, Velcro, extremely smart, intuitive, have that military stoic powerful look to them and very loving. They don’t sit away from you, they sit next to you. Training a Doberman can be compared to training a new recruit because what you put into them is exactly what you will get out of them. I’ve said this 100x, train them well and daily, you will get the Doberman you’ve always dreamed of…do it half ass? and you will get a chapter 13 washout crack head.
The only issue, only difference I see is that my two Dobermans (and I think most of them) were pretty rambunctious and challenging through puppyhood (3-7ish months) and through the teens (8-13ish months). You weather this storm with training, persistence, patience, love and lots of funny happy moments and you will have the best companion you’ve ever had be it SD or not. Regardless of the SD capabilities, they will have a great impact on your day to day life.
Good luck and hope you keep in touch with the progress made.
Initially, I had a pound Lab that pulled me out of my funk- had him for 13yrs I think. When he passed, down I went again. Wife and family begged me to get another. One day at the soccer fields I saw a beautiful Doberman thundering across the field chasing a ball, recovered it and then locked up a heel at owners side. I was in awe. I said, damn…that’s what I want right there.
Dobermans bring a different kind of companionship imho. They are very loyal, Velcro, extremely smart, intuitive, have that military stoic powerful look to them and very loving. They don’t sit away from you, they sit next to you. Training a Doberman can be compared to training a new recruit because what you put into them is exactly what you will get out of them. I’ve said this 100x, train them well and daily, you will get the Doberman you’ve always dreamed of…do it half ass? and you will get a chapter 13 washout crack head.
The only issue, only difference I see is that my two Dobermans (and I think most of them) were pretty rambunctious and challenging through puppyhood (3-7ish months) and through the teens (8-13ish months). You weather this storm with training, persistence, patience, love and lots of funny happy moments and you will have the best companion you’ve ever had be it SD or not. Regardless of the SD capabilities, they will have a great impact on your day to day life.
Good luck and hope you keep in touch with the progress made.
Same here.
Michael Ellis has a very good training on e-collars on Leerburg, and a more extensive "train the trainer" level discussion on his new training site on "pro's and con's of ecollars, various techniques, cautions on how you can inadvertently create "suspicious beliefs" in improper use.
@remy FWIW I have exactly the same: H&S 2.25 prong with throat latch, for everyday use- my BW prefers it on walks as its a quick wrist pop if needed as a reminder...
and a Hidden Keeper prong I use in SD use, thats not quite the same ideal fit: a bit of a "J" in the leash so there is no straining, but the dog can "feel" the proper distance either at heel with head-up looking or a longer length walk we use to allow sniffies, head down ambling as needed.
I switched from the Mini Educator we got from first trainer - LEO training school kennel with customers from several LEAs and BP in SoCal-IMHO in the hands of an experienced trainer the Educator has lots of variety, but we found a little too complicated.
Took advice from a 3rd generation in dobe trainer who does work for another LEA and trains working line dobes private clients in Exec Protection on Dobes etc.
He recommended the old basic Dogtra with just one button, no longer for sale- you can still get the two button Dogtra 1900, and when I killed that one with two much salt water, ipgraded to the X, that has three functions- stim, vibrate, tone.
I keep it simple on that- Bonnie is collar-wise so all it takes is a vibrate to get her attention if lost locked on something like a gopher in a hole while off leash.
Used the stim for the first time in a long time when she broke stay to go see a coyote...broke her over threshhold focus and she returned as trained.
So the stim is for us, "the insurance policy" on off leash training, walks/runs only after +P on long leash has built the base. If she or we get sloppy, its back to basics. "Leave it!" on picking up and chewing those yummy but gross dead fish, coyote turds, fragrant eucalyptus bark, whatever these dober goats decides needs a taste...
PS: the tone is matched to my whistle which is matched to "Come" command. The tone on collar is handy at a distance beyond which a whistle might be heard in a high noise environment, or for BW or family member walking Bonnie off leash who cant whistle...
Nordika
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I know this thread is old, but just in case anyone is interested in prong collars, I didn't see the herm sprenger necktech collar mentioned. My personal preference if one is needed. I've had this collar since 2010 and it has been through a few dogs and a lot of salt water. Still a beautiful collar.
Salt water is hard on gear.
Need a new basic collar to hold tags.
What model/maker is that black nylon with heavy duty fastener you showed a couple days ago, do you recall?
Think my 2nd Dogtra is failing due to salt water intrusion. Gonna call for advice on repair or replace.
I use a Hidden Keeper with 2.25 H&S prongs for when Bonnie is under the SD vest. No need for PETA karens to put me on reddit "fakespotting"...
Nordika
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You mean this one that Rollo has been wearing?Salt water is hard on gear.
Need a new basic collar to hold tags.
What model/maker is that black nylon with heavy duty fastener you showed a couple days ago, do you recall?
Think my 2nd Dogtra is failing due to salt water intrusion. Gonna call for advice on repair or replace.
I use a Hidden Keeper with 2.25 H&S prongs for when Bonnie is under the SD vest. No need for PETA karens to put me on reddit "fakespotting"...
I've removed it until I resolve the reason for this bald spot on his neck, he didn't have this before that collar. It is very heavy duty and I think too much for a youngster.
Yes. Had a similar problem on a TactiPup, custom ordered with the FI gps holder.
While the metal clasp connector and the overall design was good, the stiff nylon and stitching irritated her skin, and tended to rub hair off. The Fi didnt really work as advertised in our gullies,
so I got a cheapo knockoff, same kind of clasp:
Weirdly the neoprene padding doubled outside on part of it, with nylon next to skin so I cut off the Airtag fitting, (which is equally if not more useless as a real time tracker)
And cut off the "stitched to clasp end" and re-ran it thru buckle to have neoprene next to skin all around.
She wears nothing inside the house, so that helps.
Its held up for two and 1/2 years but getting so ratty its time for a replacement.
Leather would be nice for house wear but universal use the salt water will kill it. So I guess I gotta keep looking.
Anyone have suggestion on quality saddlery well made 2" to 2 1/2 inch leather collar with brass buckle? The local tack shop doesnt...
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PS: good tip on the H&S Neck Tech...
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Have you used it much on Rollo yet?
Be interested in how his fur tolerates that wear...
Nordika
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It's a great training collar that you can't tell, doesn't look like a training collar. Initially purchased for the Catahoula, had very short hair like Dobe, no issues at all, subsequently was used on both Russians, no issues on coat- neither the short shaved front of the neck nor the longer coat on the back of the neck. (3 dogs in photo) Also used on medium coated dogs with no issues. Have not used any training collar on Rollo, he's too young still at only 4 months. The stainless steel is very smooth, the teeth on the collar are very smooth and much less aggressive than a regular prong/pinch collar. Photo of female BRT and male BRT wearing the collar. The only inconvenience to this collar is adding or removing links, not as easy as a regular prong, however, have never needed a safety collar as this collar will not fail.PS: good tip on the H&S Neck Tech...
Herm Sprenger Neck Tech Collars
Buy Herm Sprenger Neck Tech Collars ✓ Sport & Fun options ✓ modern look ✓ free shipping over $100 ✓ 30 days returns ➤ Order now!
Have you used it much on Rollo yet?
Be interested in how his fur tolerates that wear...
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