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Abdominal Obstruction

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Oh man…where do I begin?
3 abdominal surgeries- Male Doberman who had to have some sort of OCD Pika. Just ate absolutely everything you could think off.

Lessons learned-
1. No- nope- noooo: you will not stop him from eating everything. You are just not fast enough and sometime, somewhere you will not have eyes on him.
-Instantaneous Prong collar corrections?
-Instantaneous ECollar corrections?
-24 supervision?
-More food?
-Probiotics/mineral supplements
-None of the above worked despite persistent attempts.
2. Should have been more preventative with use of a muzzle or a medication to calm his urges- like doggy Prozac. I tried CBD oil but seem to not have an effect. Just had a hard time giving doggy Prozac to a Doberman- that’s my fault and regret.

By definition on the AKC website:
A bowel obstruction is a complete or partial blockage in the stomach or intestines that prevents solids or liquids from passing through the gastrointestinal tract.

The blocking object can be anything:
Sock
Underwear/Panties
Hair scrunchie
Dish towel/rag
Any toy
Bones/bully stick
Sticks
Mulch

Signs and symptoms are pretty clear cut on the internet but I wanted to give firsthand experience to this.

For me and my Dobermans, I am always aware of if and when, and the consistency of their poop. We (Dchat members) call this poop patrol. Because of my history of having an “eater of everything” if my Doberman vomits up their food, I immediately think obstruction and start trying to figure out when his last poop was and when his last meal was kept down. So if he vomited his dinner up, then I think his last meal was kept down was lunch (we feed 3xday). Then I know, hope and pray that he will have a bowel movement in the next 24hrs. I will be outside with him everytime he goes out to inspect his poop and see if he passes anything that may have been causing the issue.

I will not feed him the next feeding but will keep water available. Will watch him closely and see if his demeanor changes. If nothing really changes…still running around being a Doberman, then all is good and may have gotten into some cat/goose poop or just not feeling well. Or the object initially blocked has moved on through. Exercise (movement) and drinking water is imperative here.

Things really get serious and I really start worrying on day two if he has not pooped and continues to vomit his meal within 30mins of feeding. Do not force feeding meal.

Late day two and into day three, progresses into:
-now vomiting up water within 10mins of drinking
-walking around with head down
-very restless
-multiple long body stretches
-you know your Doberman…you will know to take to the vet. This shat always seems to happen into the weekend.

At the vet they will do xrays to see if they can identify a blockage. Xrays have a very hard time showing fabric (socks) but they can identify a solid vs air in the intestines. Usually the X-ray will show solid intestines and then immediately a lot of space- the blockage of solids and then the rest is air.

The vet will do surgery- cut from sternum to pelvic area- open intestine and remove object. Usually stitch intestine incision and then staple abdominal incision. Will keep in clinic until standing, walking, eating, urinating.

Prob come home on Gabapentin- it will really zonk him out but it’s needed really. He doesn’t realize the extent of the surgery and will immediately want to run, jump and be a Doberman. Do not use antibiotic gel or peroxide on wound cut/staples. Observe for redness or swelling, and cleanse/clean with a wet/warm washcloth.

No need for any wet or special food. He can resume eating his dry kibble.

No need for antibiotics, vet should have giving him a bolus injection before removing IV.

Main issue now is to keep him on a leash and prevent running and jumping for at least 5 days. The vet says 10-14 days. Good Luck with keeping a Doberman down for 14days- gonna need to give Gabapentin routinely to achieve that.

Ragnar recovered well after his first surgery.
He had some difficulty after his 2nd.
He did not recover from his 3rd surgery.

The problem my Ragnar had recovering from his 3rd surgery was that his body did not heal the surgical incisions with the precision of a small line of super glue to seal together. Instead of a perfect fine line of glue, Ragnar’s body dumped like 3 tablespoons of glue on the incisions and it created unwanted adhesions that twisted his intestines and really caused another blockage.

Even if he would have recovered well, with him being the “eater of everything”….he would be like a ticking bomb of immediately getting obstructed again, esp with the unwanted adhesions in his intestines narrowing the passageway. I had already bought some muzzles and had the doggy Prozac on standby this time but we did not get that far.

Just so hard having an eater, esp in the younger years when they eat everything anyways and you just don’t know. If you have any doubt or reservations of toys??? Throw them away period. I bought all the toys out there and Ragnar demolished them all. I didn’t really know he was an eater until he started pooping out daughters socks, panties, scrunchies. Then, I guess his system stopped passing it through and started obstructing.

I truly hope this helps someone out. If you have any questions don’t hesitate to ask or pm me.

Good luck.
 
It is so hard to prevent, even though you keep an eye on them all the time. I might have to pick a muzzle up if Olive doesn't stop her outdoor vacuuming of everything. In many cases it's a puppy thing and Phoebe did get over it as she matured so I'm hoping Olive is the same.
 
Very helpful explanation! Our son’s German Shepherd was an eater. He lived to the ripe old age of 14, but I believe his last surgery was over $8000! His new GS puppy just had his first bowel obstruction surgery at $6000. Think they found part of a transformer, socks and part of a flip flop! They just do it! Thanks for sharing your experience.
 
I so appreciate your lengthy explanation and warning to all. It should never be taken lightly. You are proof that this can happen no matter how vigilant you are.

There IS a gene variation/mutation (not sure exactly) that is prevalent in Labradors and I think is surfacing in others (my opinion only). They are known for having excessive non-stop eating habits, eating rocks and other Pica things and if free-fed they may stop Pica, but just get enormously obese. I had a cat with this problem, he ate everything and his favorite thing was wires. I'm talking every wire in the house, $30 computer connections . Every wire in my house was wrapped in aluminum foil. I'm sure that strangers never accepted my excuse when I told them why. ... At any rate, it is a compulsion problem that cannot be trained away and with that statement I want you to know in your heart that you were not at fault. Your training, your care and your love for Ragnar was over the top.

You are the reason I took Asha to the vet at about 4 months of age. She didn't want to eat her supper for the first time since she arrived and she was curled up in a ball on her bed. You probably remember this was a wild belligerent puppy that thought sleep was torture. It was Sunday night (see?) so I called my vets number, he was out, another vet was on his emergency list. That vet told me my puppy was probably fine, to just go to my regular vet first thing in the morning. I never slept a wink because all I could think of were your recent stories of sock & panty eating Ragnar and life threatening blockage. I did take her to the vet the next morning, she got X-rays, looked like gas bubbles, but no blockage. I am grateful for my good luck to this day that it was not a blockage and always grateful for your pounding it into our heads the signs the symptoms and the danger. I've never forgotten it.

You are an angel going through hell right now. Keep going, keep sharing, and love like crazy the one you've got.
 
I so appreciate your lengthy explanation and warning to all. It should never be taken lightly. You are proof that this can happen no matter how vigilant you are.

There IS a gene variation/mutation (not sure exactly) that is prevalent in Labradors and I think is surfacing in others (my opinion only). They are known for having excessive non-stop eating habits, eating rocks and other Pica things and if free-fed they may stop Pica, but just get enormously obese. I had a cat with this problem, he ate everything and his favorite thing was wires. I'm talking every wire in the house, $30 computer connections . Every wire in my house was wrapped in aluminum foil. I'm sure that strangers never accepted my excuse when I told them why. ... At any rate, it is a compulsion problem that cannot be trained away and with that statement I want you to know in your heart that you were not at fault. Your training, your care and your love for Ragnar was over the top.

You are the reason I took Asha to the vet at about 4 months of age. She didn't want to eat her supper for the first time since she arrived and she was curled up in a ball on her bed. You probably remember this was a wild belligerent puppy that thought sleep was torture. It was Sunday night (see?) so I called my vets number, he was out, another vet was on his emergency list. That vet told me my puppy was probably fine, to just go to my regular vet first thing in the morning. I never slept a wink because all I could think of were your recent stories of sock & panty eating Ragnar and life threatening blockage. I did take her to the vet the next morning, she got X-rays, looked like gas bubbles, but no blockage. I am grateful for my good luck to this day that it was not a blockage and always grateful for your pounding it into our heads the signs the symptoms and the danger. I've never forgotten it.

You are an angel going through hell right now. Keep going, keep sharing, and love like crazy the one you've got.
Absolutely, totally agree!
 
I'm an out of the box thinker.

Maybe try for prevention daily a good name brand CBD oil? Which might help calm him down.
A good one is Charlotte's Web.
 
Oh man…where do I begin?
3 abdominal surgeries- Male Doberman who had to have some sort of OCD Pika. Just ate absolutely everything you could think off.

Lessons learned-
1. No- nope- noooo: you will not stop him from eating everything. You are just not fast enough and sometime, somewhere you will not have eyes on him.
-Instantaneous Prong collar corrections?
-Instantaneous ECollar corrections?
-24 supervision?
-More food?
-Probiotics/mineral supplements
-None of the above worked despite persistent attempts.
2. Should have been more preventative with use of a muzzle or a medication to calm his urges- like doggy Prozac. I tried CBD oil but seem to not have an effect. Just had a hard time giving doggy Prozac to a Doberman- that’s my fault and regret.

By definition on the AKC website:
A bowel obstruction is a complete or partial blockage in the stomach or intestines that prevents solids or liquids from passing through the gastrointestinal tract.

The blocking object can be anything:
Sock
Underwear/Panties
Hair scrunchie
Dish towel/rag
Any toy
Bones/bully stick
Sticks
Mulch

Signs and symptoms are pretty clear cut on the internet but I wanted to give firsthand experience to this.

For me and my Dobermans, I am always aware of if and when, and the consistency of their poop. We (Dchat members) call this poop patrol. Because of my history of having an “eater of everything” if my Doberman vomits up their food, I immediately think obstruction and start trying to figure out when his last poop was and when his last meal was kept down. So if he vomited his dinner up, then I think his last meal was kept down was lunch (we feed 3xday). Then I know, hope and pray that he will have a bowel movement in the next 24hrs. I will be outside with him everytime he goes out to inspect his poop and see if he passes anything that may have been causing the issue.

I will not feed him the next feeding but will keep water available. Will watch him closely and see if his demeanor changes. If nothing really changes…still running around being a Doberman, then all is good and may have gotten into some cat/goose poop or just not feeling well. Or the object initially blocked has moved on through. Exercise (movement) and drinking water is imperative here.

Things really get serious and I really start worrying on day two if he has not pooped and continues to vomit his meal within 30mins of feeding. Do not force feeding meal.

Late day two and into day three, progresses into:
-now vomiting up water within 10mins of drinking
-walking around with head down
-very restless
-multiple long body stretches
-you know your Doberman…you will know to take to the vet. This shat always seems to happen into the weekend.

At the vet they will do xrays to see if they can identify a blockage. Xrays have a very hard time showing fabric (socks) but they can identify a solid vs air in the intestines. Usually the X-ray will show solid intestines and then immediately a lot of space- the blockage of solids and then the rest is air.

The vet will do surgery- cut from sternum to pelvic area- open intestine and remove object. Usually stitch intestine incision and then staple abdominal incision. Will keep in clinic until standing, walking, eating, urinating.

Prob come home on Gabapentin- it will really zonk him out but it’s needed really. He doesn’t realize the extent of the surgery and will immediately want to run, jump and be a Doberman. Do not use antibiotic gel or peroxide on wound cut/staples. Observe for redness or swelling, and cleanse/clean with a wet/warm washcloth.

No need for any wet or special food. He can resume eating his dry kibble.

No need for antibiotics, vet should have giving him a bolus injection before removing IV.

Main issue now is to keep him on a leash and prevent running and jumping for at least 5 days. The vet says 10-14 days. Good Luck with keeping a Doberman down for 14days- gonna need to give Gabapentin routinely to achieve that.

Ragnar recovered well after his first surgery.
He had some difficulty after his 2nd.
He did not recover from his 3rd surgery.

The problem my Ragnar had recovering from his 3rd surgery was that his body did not heal the surgical incisions with the precision of a small line of super glue to seal together. Instead of a perfect fine line of glue, Ragnar’s body dumped like 3 tablespoons of glue on the incisions and it created unwanted adhesions that twisted his intestines and really caused another blockage.

Even if he would have recovered well, with him being the “eater of everything”….he would be like a ticking bomb of immediately getting obstructed again, esp with the unwanted adhesions in his intestines narrowing the passageway. I had already bought some muzzles and had the doggy Prozac on standby this time but we did not get that far.

Just so hard having an eater, esp in the younger years when they eat everything anyways and you just don’t know. If you have any doubt or reservations of toys??? Throw them away period. I bought all the toys out there and Ragnar demolished them all. I didn’t really know he was an eater until he started pooping out daughters socks, panties, scrunchies. Then, I guess his system stopped passing it through and started obstructing.

I truly hope this helps someone out. If you have any questions don’t hesitate to ask or pm me.

Good luck.
This was tragic read, but so important to be said. Thank you and so very sorry for your loss.
 
I so appreciate your lengthy explanation and warning to all. It should never be taken lightly. You are proof that this can happen no matter how vigilant you are.

There IS a gene variation/mutation (not sure exactly) that is prevalent in Labradors and I think is surfacing in others (my opinion only). They are known for having excessive non-stop eating habits, eating rocks and other Pica things and if free-fed they may stop Pica, but just get enormously obese. I had a cat with this problem, he ate everything and his favorite thing was wires. I'm talking every wire in the house, $30 computer connections . Every wire in my house was wrapped in aluminum foil. I'm sure that strangers never accepted my excuse when I told them why. ... At any rate, it is a compulsion problem that cannot be trained away and with that statement I want you to know in your heart that you were not at fault. Your training, your care and your love for Ragnar was over the top.

You are the reason I took Asha to the vet at about 4 months of age. She didn't want to eat her supper for the first time since she arrived and she was curled up in a ball on her bed. You probably remember this was a wild belligerent puppy that thought sleep was torture. It was Sunday night (see?) so I called my vets number, he was out, another vet was on his emergency list. That vet told me my puppy was probably fine, to just go to my regular vet first thing in the morning. I never slept a wink because all I could think of were your recent stories of sock & panty eating Ragnar and life threatening blockage. I did take her to the vet the next morning, she got X-rays, looked like gas bubbles, but no blockage. I am grateful for my good luck to this day that it was not a blockage and always grateful for your pounding it into our heads the signs the symptoms and the danger. I've never forgotten it.

You are an angel going through hell right now. Keep going, keep sharing, and love like crazy the one you've got.
There really is no option until they are mature and settled, imo, they all love to explore and bite. Our home has become a minimalist’s dream. Nothing on counters or tables, no clothes or fabric anywhere they can reach. Shoes kept away, laundry always put away in drawers and closets. They do love the fringe on the Persian rugs, and cables/cords, but that can be trained away and it is working for our puppies. We had Rottweiler littermates last dog cycle, Dobermans before that and now again. The male Rottweiler had very bad pica, we could not free feed, he would have eaten till he exploded. At 2.5 he developed a very strong case of idiopathic (just means they don’t know why or how) epilepsy. Was on a ton of meds. He went into status and had to be put down at 5. His sister, she never had the pica, but developed the same at 5.5 and we had to put her down. Wonder if there is a relationship to pica and neuro conditions. I don’t know of course. But keeping everything bare safe and puppy proof has been key to less anxiety about obstructions. It’s terrifying to worry over them. And why does the terrible stuff always happen in weekends?
 

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