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“Housebroken” dog going in house

I agree with all the advice given. Your schedule is challenging even for someone with a lazy dog because even a lazy dog would need a routine for going potty. A high energy Doberman is just a lot of dog to handle. This breed is not easy for a first time owner and they require a lot of commitment. No one is exaggerating when they say that. Between me and my hb, it has been a ton of work to build the wonderful companion we have today. It took time and training for US, the people, to learn how to work with the animal.

It’s very saddening that nobody seems to know how to get her to just stop chewing the dog door.

The chewing is a boredom activity. It’s not that no one knows how to stop it, it’s just time consuming. Do you have the time to mentally and physically drain the dog of their energy so they don’t create their own entertainment? Only you know whether you can spare YOUR time and YOUR energy to do this.

Re the potty issues, you definitely have to go outside with her and say the command. My boy is almost 3 years old and sometimes he will just walk around or eat grass when he’s outside, but if I give him the potty command, he’ll suddenly pee a river! They just need to be told and watched while doing it. It’s annoying, I know, but they are called Velcro dogs for a reason and it’s way easier to work WITH your Dobe than to try and work against them.

I would love to hear a success story come out of this, so if you’re up to the task, you and your Dobe could be happier together with more time put into the relationship, but please reread this thread and give your situation an honest assessment.
 
I’m sorry but no. No offense or anything, but you could be anyone, and for my safety I’m not comfortable letting a stranger have my address.
I fully understand and am not going to try and convince you to do anything you are not comfortable with. I would be happy to meet you at the nearest Police station or Sheriff’s office at your convenience. My intentions are genuine and I have references. My concern is only for the Doberman to be placed in a home that is experienced with the breed and where they would have time to help her adjust to a crate and house breaking her.
Once she goes to a rescue, they will place her in a foster home to determine her personality, temperament and what she is comfortable with. They will work with her and train her appropriately to be placed in a loving home. They do not let these Dobermanns go to just anyone. They perform a lengthy home study, contact all references and do a home inspection. Their rules are very stringent and a lot of work goes into finding the appropriate home.
Let me know what you decide.
 
I wrote a very angry response earlier and edited it. However, I’ll rephrase it to this. You’re abusing your dog and you shouldn’t have it. What you’re doing is completely selfish and all you have done is make excuses. You’re failing this dog and robbing it of a happy existence.

The trainer gave up on you because you’re not willing to do what’s best for the dog.

Everyone on this forum has revolved their life’s around these dogs. However, you are not willing to.

I moved for my dog, I take days off of work for my dog. I put my dogs well being even with my well being. You are not willing to do this.

I hope you come to your senses and rehome this dog to someone who can give it the life it deserves.
 
Given your young age and being on your own, supporting yourself, I am going to make an observation based on all that has been discussed.
I think your Doberman came from either an accidental mating or you purchased her from a Backyard Breeder because had it been a reputable, responsible breeder you would not have her. Reputable and responsible breeders check references and the home to make sure you are set up and knowledgeable with the requirements of this breed and you must prove you are capable of providing for the dog with health, training and everyday care. Reputable breeders are careful about who they place/ sell their pups to. With your work schedule, living alone they would not have sold you a pup. Can you post a picture of your girl?
I am not trying to beat you up over your troubles dealing with Rogue. All I want is to give your girl a chance to be everything she can be and most of all to be happy and stable with her human. First time Dobermann owners do not realize just how difficult this breed is to raise from puppyhood. Being breed knowledgeable and prepared is just the first step.
It’s like getting your learners permit and you buy a Ford Focus that is automatic and very simplistic to operate safely. Then you see a Lamborghini and admire how beautiful it is and try to drive it. You learn that it is too much car for you as it takes experience to handle one properly otherwise you are going to wreck it. The upkeep is expensive, insurance and oil changes, gas, tires etc. then you realize you just can’t handle it. This is how it is with a Dobermann. They are EXPENSIVE to raise, medical bills, food, heartworm and flea and tick prevention, training, health testing, vaccines, collars, leashes. You get the picture I am sure. Out of all these things the most important to them is to be with you as much as possible. They need a lot of activity with their humans in order to be stable and happy.
 
We all have given you the solutions you asked for. Training and stimulation is crucial to this breed. They are extremely intelligent. None of this is an exaggeration. This is a breed that was started for personal protection, meaning they NEED to be with their people. All of the above is how you correct the chewing and the potty problem. So the 2 options you have are 1. training, finding a way to make time to spend with Rogue, putting Rogue's well being first or 2. re-homing her, hopefully to a Doberman Rescue.
 
Look Dobermans are not for everyone. You have to work and you just don't have the time or patience. BUT you say you love this dog...IF you do you will NOT just sell her to anybody off Petfinder. Rescues do extensive temperament tests to figure out what type of family she will flourish in. Cut your financial losses and rehome her thru a doberman rescue, it's the least you can do for her future.
 
As someone who has conducted various craigslist transactions, if you are uncomfortable with Bri knowing your address meet her somewhere neutral. You are obviously not prepared or willing to keep a dog of this nature. Sure it sounds cool saying you have a Doberman, but raising one is a whole different thing.
 
For what it's worth, I would let any of the regular members on this site into my home with open arms. Of course they would ignore me and head straight for the dogs.

I'm sorry about your situation but there is no 'quick' and 'easy' fix. There is no magical fairy dust you can sprinkle on her to 'make her good.' All dogs are good. She's the product of her environment. If she cannot thrive in your home, then accept the offer of help from this forum so that she can find a home in which she can reach her fullest potential.
 
I would also let any of the regular members into my home! I am sure they would head straight for the Sinisters!

Even when I am instructing at the club, I rarely remember the owners name, but I always remember the dog's name! I've gone to someone's house and couldn't remember what it looked like, but I can describe their dog to the smallest detail! :rofl::rofl::rofl:
 
Even when I am instructing at the club, I rarely remember the owners name, but I always remember the dog's name! I've gone to someone's house and couldn't remember what it looked like, but I can describe their dog to the smallest detail!
I do this at work. Clients come in with their dog and I can’t remember the owners name so I just give a greeting of; Good morning and how is Bruno’s mom today?
I always remember the pet’s name, seldom do I remember the owner. :D
Shows my priorities.:spit:
 
Everyone already hit the nail on the head. Just your work schedule alone is enough for me to say its not the right time for you to have any dog. Even with a dog walker coming by its not fair imo. Dogs need a lot of care to live happy, full-filled lives (never mind the high energy breed you chose). I won’t touch on anything else you mentioned as everyone else already has.

Maybe look into owning a cat? They do well left alone. Some even prefer it. Litter training means no mess. They are clean animals and not destructive if given proper outlets for scratching. It would be less stress on yourself having an animal that is a bit easier to handle until the day comes where you have a better schedule that allows you to put more effort and time into raising a dog.
 
I've read this thread and feel so sad! I agree that it would be better to take the kind offers of help and let the dog go to a happier situation!
 
@Artman408

Thanks a lot. I really appreciate it. /S. I stuck her nose in her mess, it’s not like I beat her or use shock collars or any of that ish. Saying I’m abusing her for sticking her nose in a mess she made is tantamount to saying grounding your kids is child abuse.

I actually came back to say that I solved the problem. I spent another $70 to replace the door and I found a more affective spray to stop her chewing on it because the bitter apple spray didn’t work. She had another mess the day after so I thought maybe there was an issue with her area. The lawn people haven’t been cutting it so there was crabgrass. I got rid of the weeds and she went out to use the restroom.

It must be really nice to sit in your white tower and judge me like that. You don’t even know me. I came her for help because I don’t want to get rid of her it brings me to tears and all I get is a rash of ish from you about being abusive, not deserving her, and letting a stranger into my home or meeting with one because you don’t think I should have her. Contrary to what you think I do try to care for her. She’s on Blue buffalo and triexis, she’s current on all her shots, etc.

You might not live alone. You might have a family that can help. That’s great for you. You might not have to support yourself. Also awesome. But your situation isn’t everyone’s and attacking someone online who you don’t even KNOW, because you disagree with putting a dogs nose in its mess is just absolutely crazy. I came her for help with a solution, not to have you insult me and say I should just give up on her.

And FYI about my “financial losses” I wasn’t going to sell her. If I put her on pet finder it would be for free.
 
@Artman408

Thanks a lot. I really appreciate it. /S. I stuck her nose in her mess, it’s not like I beat her or use shock collars or any of that ish. Saying I’m abusing her for sticking her nose in a mess she made is tantamount to saying grounding your kids is child abuse.

I actually came back to say that I solved the problem. I spent another $70 to replace the door and I found a more affective spray to stop her chewing on it because the bitter apple spray didn’t work. She had another mess the day after so I thought maybe there was an issue with her area. The lawn people haven’t been cutting it so there was crabgrass. I got rid of the weeds and she went out to use the restroom.

It must be really nice to sit in your white tower and judge me like that. You don’t even know me. I came her for help because I don’t want to get rid of her it brings me to tears and all I get is a rash of ish from you about being abusive, not deserving her, and letting a stranger into my home or meeting with one because you don’t think I should have her. Contrary to what you think I do try to care for her. She’s on Blue buffalo and triexis, she’s current on all her shots, etc.

You might not live alone. You might have a family that can help. That’s great for you. You might not have to support yourself. Also awesome. But your situation isn’t everyone’s and attacking someone online who you don’t even KNOW, because you disagree with putting a dogs nose in its mess is just absolutely crazy. I came her for help with a solution, not to have you insult me and say I should just give up on her.

And FYI about my “financial losses” I wasn’t going to sell her. If I put her on pet finder it would be for free.


You hit your dog.

And I also believe a lot of people on here live alone and done have family help as well. And no one said Give up on her, just saying give her a home that will train her properly.


And putting a Doberman on pet finder for free is an even worse idea... you know what kinda people go around looking for free dogs?
 
@Artman408

Thanks a lot. I really appreciate it. /S. I stuck her nose in her mess, it’s not like I beat her or use shock collars or any of that ish. Saying I’m abusing her for sticking her nose in a mess she made is tantamount to saying grounding your kids is child abuse.

I actually came back to say that I solved the problem. I spent another $70 to replace the door and I found a more affective spray to stop her chewing on it because the bitter apple spray didn’t work. She had another mess the day after so I thought maybe there was an issue with her area. The lawn people haven’t been cutting it so there was crabgrass. I got rid of the weeds and she went out to use the restroom.

It must be really nice to sit in your white tower and judge me like that. You don’t even know me. I came her for help because I don’t want to get rid of her it brings me to tears and all I get is a rash of ish from you about being abusive, not deserving her, and letting a stranger into my home or meeting with one because you don’t think I should have her. Contrary to what you think I do try to care for her. She’s on Blue buffalo and triexis, she’s current on all her shots, etc.

You might not live alone. You might have a family that can help. That’s great for you. You might not have to support yourself. Also awesome. But your situation isn’t everyone’s and attacking someone online who you don’t even KNOW, because you disagree with putting a dogs nose in its mess is just absolutely crazy. I came her for help with a solution, not to have you insult me and say I should just give up on her.

And FYI about my “financial losses” I wasn’t going to sell her. If I put her on pet finder it would be for free.


You hit your dog, you shoved her nose in shit and you leave the dog alone for 12+ hours a day. “I DoNt AbUsE My D0g”. And you think an e collar is abuse?

And the dogs on blue buffalo? I don’t know what’s more insulting you thinking that’s a good kibble or you feeding the kibble.

You came on to a forum full of people passionate about their animals and admit to neglect and abuse and you expected us to be nice and offer you positive solutions? Get real. The dog belongs with someone who can actually properly care for it which you can’t do.

And I’m gone for work 12 hours a day but I have my fiancé who has staggered work hours compared to me so he’s only home crated for 6 hours a day. 3 hours in the morning and 3 in the afternoon. If she can’t make it home I have someone I pay to take care of him. I would not have him or Keep him if I could not provide for him.
 
Saying I’m abusing her for sticking her nose in a mess she made is tantamount to saying grounding your kids is child abuse.
Rubbing their noses in their own waste doesn’t teach them anything though. It’s outdated, old school, proven ineffective, to do this with any dog. With Dobermans being as sensitive as they are, it’s especially bad to rub their faces in it because they need to trust you to NOT do bad things to them. Most of them are disgusted by their own poop too. And rubbing their extremely sensitive noses in poo, don’t you have to work harder to clean that up? Doesn’t it get stuck in the nasal folds and fur and even inside their nose holes? How do you clean all that? I mean, yuck, just thinking of it, no wonder the dog is going everywhere. They’re triggered by the scent to go again.
 
@Artman408

Thanks a lot. I really appreciate it. /S. I stuck her nose in her mess, it’s not like I beat her or use shock collars or any of that ish. Saying I’m abusing her for sticking her nose in a mess she made is tantamount to saying grounding your kids is child abuse.

I actually came back to say that I solved the problem. I spent another $70 to replace the door and I found a more affective spray to stop her chewing on it because the bitter apple spray didn’t work. She had another mess the day after so I thought maybe there was an issue with her area. The lawn people haven’t been cutting it so there was crabgrass. I got rid of the weeds and she went out to use the restroom.

It must be really nice to sit in your white tower and judge me like that. You don’t even know me. I came her for help because I don’t want to get rid of her it brings me to tears and all I get is a rash of ish from you about being abusive, not deserving her, and letting a stranger into my home or meeting with one because you don’t think I should have her. Contrary to what you think I do try to care for her. She’s on Blue buffalo and triexis, she’s current on all her shots, etc.

You might not live alone. You might have a family that can help. That’s great for you. You might not have to support yourself. Also awesome. But your situation isn’t everyone’s and attacking someone online who you don’t even KNOW, because you disagree with putting a dogs nose in its mess is just absolutely crazy. I came her for help with a solution, not to have you insult me and say I should just give up on her.

And FYI about my “financial losses” I wasn’t going to sell her. If I put her on pet finder it would be for free.
I was hoping you would respond again and give us all some more information as to your decisions. I know some of us have given what seems like harsh responses on here but to us, as im sure you are aware as well, our dogs are our babies. We put them and their happiness above ours day in and day out. When we read your first message I think it created a very passionate response from us all. Some might try to word it in a "nicer" way but I think we were all pretty upset with what you wrote.

When you bring an animal into your home, it's not just about what that animal can bring to your life, it's about providing them with the best life possible. I desperately wanted a dog for many years and didn't get one while my friends did. Why? Because it would have been selfish. I knew I didn't have the time to give the dog the attention it needed with my work schedule. I sacrifice sleep every day still to make sure my dog gets his attention in the mornings before work, and when I get home and I'm exhausted, I take my dog back out for more play or training.

Dobermans especially will test all of our patience and sanity, but we do not spank them out of frustration for not being able to hold their bowel movements for 12hrs like you stated before. It is so unsafe for a puppy, who chews especially, to have 12hrs of free roam in your house. You are asking for them to chew things and possibly get a blockage. All of our dogs had accidents on the beginning, it comes with having a puppy. Our guy came from a byb and took extra long but he's only a product of our work. I am glad you have found some solutions but still hope you will think long and hard about what is best for your dog. If keeping her is what you choose, please find ways to give her the attention and compassion she needs.
 
@Artman408

Thanks a lot. I really appreciate it. /S. I stuck her nose in her mess, it’s not like I beat her or use shock collars or any of that ish. Saying I’m abusing her for sticking her nose in a mess she made is tantamount to saying grounding your kids is child abuse.

I actually came back to say that I solved the problem. I spent another $70 to replace the door and I found a more effective spray to stop her chewing on it because the bitter apple spray didn’t work. She had another mess the day after so I thought maybe there was an issue with her area. The lawn people haven’t been cutting it so there was crabgrass. I got rid of the weeds and she went out to use the restroom.

It must be really nice to sit in your white tower and judge me like that. You don’t even know me. I came her for help because I don’t want to get rid of her it brings me to tears and all I get is a rash of ish from you about being abusive, not deserving her, and letting a stranger into my home or meeting with one because you don’t think I should have her. Contrary to what you think I do try to care for her. She’s on Blue buffalo and triexis, she’s current on all her shots, etc.

You might not live alone. You might have a family that can help. That’s great for you. You might not have to support yourself. Also awesome. But your situation isn’t everyone’s and attacking someone online who you don’t even KNOW, because you disagree with putting a dogs nose in its mess is just absolutely crazy. I came her for help with a solution, not to have you insult me and say I should just give up on her.

And FYI about my “financial losses” I wasn’t going to sell her. If I put her on pet finder it would be for free.

Please understand that the members of this board are passionate about the doberman breed. They are more than willing to help in any way they can. No one here has really been bashing you. Every suggestion has been with your Dobermans best interest in mind. Re-homing a dog is usually a last resort. Suggesting that your dog get re-homed, comes mainly from the fact that you are away from home for too many hours at a time for any dog. Especially a younger one. Nobody can hold it that long. I understand totally how frustrating it can be to come home to a house full of urine and feces! It's horrible. I understand that. And so do the members here. We've all been there at times!

But you have to understand that this is not the dogs fault. Especially a dog who's already been housebroken! She understands that shes not supposed to go in the house. Have you ever been in a situation where you can't find a bathroom? It's horrible! You have to go! And there's no place to go! And you know that wetting your pants is the last thing you want to do. But there comes a point when there is no other option. That's what your dog is going through. And it pains all of us.

You have not been a member here for very long. If you take the time to read all the forums here you will see how compassionate our members are! We are a close knit family here. Everyone wants to help! It gets frustrating sometime when someone calls out for help and then doesn't take the advice. Believe me, there is rarely bad advice on here. Many people search Doberman forums and finally land here and are so happy they did! Check out a few other doberman forums and you will see that we are really a helpful, friendly group.

I'm glad you are coming up with some other solutions for yourself. But I must reiterate everyone's suggestion about a doberman rescue. If, if, you ever decide you need to give up your girl, please take everyone's suggestion and contact a doberman rescue. Putting anything for free on Craigslist it's just looking for trouble. A lot of times people with fighting dogs are looking for a free dog of any kind that they can use as a bait dog. You do not want your dog to end up there! And putting it on for free? Nobody takes care of anything that they get for free.

Dobermans are a special breed that do not do well in a shelter either. Many shelters that obtain a doberman will quickly find a foster because they know Dobermans do poorly in a shelter. Dobermans need human contact more than a lot of other breeds.

And Blue Buffalo dog food has had so many recalls I would never suggest that food to anyone! You need to read up on recalls done on any food. Unfortunately, Blue Buffalo has been horrible. Every time someone says they're feeding their dog Blue Buffalo, I panic. Please consider a different food and again, there are Forums on here dedicated just to food. Go to our health and nutrition section. Doberman Health Issues and Questions
Do a search for Blue Buffalo in that forum and you will see a lot of the members that had difficulty with that food.

And remember, anytime you change food if it needs to be done gradually. Adding a little of the new food and the old food until gradually you are feeding all the new food. This should be over a couple of weeks. Again, that discussion can be found in those forums.

There is so much information here and so many good people that I'm sure you can come up with a lot of answers that you need.
 

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