If you are making Dobermans for everyone then it’s not a Doberman…

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Looking through Doberman rescue sites…man, I feel bad for those Dobermans, it’s a shame because they don’t have a choice. Hell… for that fact, no animals deserve it.

Context in this is that too many folks have Dobermans that should not have Dobermans and the ones that can’t handle them abandon them to the rescues, pounds, or streets. My words have always been that Dobermans are not the lap dog Lassie that will lay on the couch all day and lazy around with no antics. They are strong, demanding animals that are a true member of the family AND need to be engaged with a purpose- daily, not just when you get yippy and feel like it.

Paraphrasing from a Facebook page Dobie Ranch Rescue:
“If you are making Dobermans for everyone then it’s not a Doberman”.
Hmmm…That’s a very interesting comment and thought provoking. I can see where this statement may be stinging to some but in essence a Doberman is a Doberman- that’s what makes it a Doberman, if that makes sense.

You know my thoughts and how I feel. What are your thoughts?
 
too many folks have Dobermans that should not have Dobermans and the ones that can’t handle them abandon them to the rescues, pounds, or streets.
That happens way too often when people seem to think they come pre-trained and think they got a faulty one when they have to put some work into training them. Pair that with a lot of bad breeders who are tossing them together because they have a male and female and take no responsibility after someone hands them the money and takes the pup. A good breeder keeps in contact for the life of the pup and wants to take it back if for some reason you can't keep it.
“If you are making Dobermans for everyone then it’s not a Doberman”
That's exactly right since the Doberman traits we want are being bred out of them from some of the shady breeders.
 
You’re right a Doberman is a Doberman. A high energy working breed as we know Not many people understand this and want a Doberman because of the looks and because its a Doberman!

It boils my blood to see so many that need rescuing because of people who “want” a Doberman. Irresponsible breeders as well destroying the breed is another issue that boils my blood.

If I had a full time job no way would we have gotten a Doberman - no other dog - because I only wanted a Doberman :) it wouldn’t have been fair to her and she wouldn’t get what she needs. I know many make it work, but with two busy teens and a working husband it would have been unfair to Pepper.

I wish people would understand this when getting any dog, especially a working breed. Sadly, a lot of folks are irresponsible and want what they want.

I get a lot of comments like “oh I want a Doberman they’re so beautiful” and “is it a lot of work?” lol oh yea it is if you want to do it right and have a happy well rounded Doberman.

I’ll stop my rant lol.
 
Looking through Doberman rescue sites…man, I feel bad for those Dobermans, it’s a shame because they don’t have a choice. Hell… for that fact, no animals deserve it.

Context in this is that too many folks have Dobermans that should not have Dobermans and the ones that can’t handle them abandon them to the rescues, pounds, or streets. My words have always been that Dobermans are not the lap dog Lassie that will lay on the couch all day and lazy around with no antics. They are strong, demanding animals that are a true member of the family AND need to be engaged with a purpose- daily, not just when you get yippy and feel like it.

Paraphrasing from a Facebook page Dobie Ranch Rescue:
“If you are making Dobermans for everyone then it’s not a Doberman”.
Hmmm…That’s a very interesting comment and thought provoking. I can see where this statement may be stinging to some but in essence a Doberman is a Doberman- that’s what makes it a Doberman, if that makes sense.

You know my thoughts and how I feel. What are your thoughts?
There ought to be a licensing requirement for humans to be trained in order to own a dog, first. Only slightly j/k...
 
I agree 100% with your post @Ddski5, and with the comments as well. You also know first hand how different two Dobermans can be in amount of work it takes to develop them into the very best companion. But even the "easier" ones need and crave attention, training, one-on-one adventures like no other breed I've witnessed.

“If you are making Dobermans for everyone then it’s not a Doberman”

This quote makes so much sense. We need a T-shirt. :thumbsup: :dobe:

Kind of like my favorite that I've posted on here before:

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I would like to know @Katyusharocket perspective on this.

I have 2 very different Dobermans. If Katyusha is at noon on the clock, Zastava is at 6. I will note here for future readers that Katyusha is a therapy dog and a darn good one, but I think everyone in the room so far, knows that. She was bred without any planning whatsoever (if you can call that breeding), and I never met a Doberman, ever, before meeting her parents. I knew nothing about what I might bring home except for mom and dad, and I know them well, babysat them in my home overnight a lot. Do I begrudge her parent's owner? Not one bit. Both of the litters from them are full of examples of Dobermans making wonderful members of families and the ones I have followed (4 in total, plus mine) are all owned by thoughtful people who are proud to engage their dogs and are interested in training them and socializing them so that they are well adjusted, but not necessarily worked. Katyusha is known and loved by many and man does she ever know how to brighten the mood, and many of the places she visits needs that desperately. For that reason, and my willingness to find places for her to do that, I consider her very much a working dog, even though her work looks very different than what other users here, and even more so, the general public, might consider a Doberman doing. Even I didn't see it coming, but when your dog is dragging you to specific people and 3 times the persons tell you that they just lost their wife, or their husband or their dog, it's probably time to get certified and "go pro".

It was only after bringing Katyusha into my home that I joined up here and learned what good and deliberate breeding practices are, and what qualities are desired to be built for the breed. Katusha checks many of the boxes. Extremely protective, strong prey drive, and freaking smart. She's very easy, though. She's the dog that goes to the vet off leash and will never, ever, cause a scene there or anywhere else our adventures take us. But that did not come without effort, which in my case, all I knew to do was get her ready for her tests (CGC, CGCA, CGCU and Alliance of therapy Dogs internal testing and observing). I think much of that shaped her. She even gets protective while doing therapy work. The staff at the nursing home have learned that if they are going to come into the room where Katyusha is working, best do that very slowly because if you come in like the Kool-aid man, she's going to be coming at you live. Gotta protect her room full of residents;) Once, she started barking and wanting out the door, only to learn later another dog had entered the building. So, I feel, she's Doberman.

So let's go to 6 o'clock. Zastava was sold to me as a European Doberman, and by the time I got her, I knew a little more of what to expect and what I was shopping for, only, I did not know until later, just how European she is. I bought her 5 gen pedigree and started googling ancestors. Her entire dad's side were IPO 3 (of all of them that I can find content for, which is all of them until her father, and maybe 2 or 3 others). Her entire mother's side: international conformation champions. I feel like I thought I was buying a Ford Mustang, but took home a Ferrari. She is very sweet, but kind of has the personality of sandpaper. Going to a nursing home to sit around and be pet is just flat boring to her, at least at this age. She wants to be moving, finding things, using her nose, wants to know what lurks in every damn corner of the nursing home. I still take her once a month anyway, because the residents get a kick out of how different the two are, and I think it's good for any dog's character to be also trained that there are times that calmness is expected and demanded. But otherwise, I have been working her on nosework and stacking. She just likes different things than Katyusha does, and because I hung out here before getting her, I expected that and I embrace it, because it makes me so much better of a dog owner/handler. But I thank the stars every single day that Katyusha was around to be my training wheels.

This is just my experience from having a "not deliberately bred" Doberman to having a "very deliberately bred" Doberman. They are both, of course, worthy of love and commitment from me, as all Dobermans are, so yes it burns me to see that even if people didn't know what they were getting, come on, step up your game! When people ask (and this came from you, I think, @Ddski5 ), I tell them that if they want one, they should get one, but be ready to put more work into it in the first 2 years than they will any other dog's entire lifetime, and that it's hard work
 
@Katyusharocket
For the record, I was not questioning…
I knew you could paint your picture a lot better than I could…and it deserves to be painted.
Not a worry in the world! I know you like to learn. I hope what I painted was the kind of answer you were looking for?
 
My words have always been that Dobermans are not the lap dog Lassie that will lay on the couch all day and lazy around with no antics. They are strong, demanding animals that are a true member of the family AND need to be engaged with a purpose- daily, not just when you get yippy and feel like it.

Pretty sure the previous owner of my new girl trained her to NOT get up on any furniture. She just won't - even if invited...

I plan to undo that part of her previous training. :)

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Like you said they are part of the 'family' and any couch of mine is a couch of theirs as well! :)
 
I agree 100% with your post @Ddski5, and with the comments as well. You also know first hand how different two Dobermans can be in amount of work it takes to develop them into the very best companion. But even the "easier" ones need and crave attention, training, one-on-one adventures like no other breed I've witnessed.



This quote makes so much sense. We need a T-shirt. :thumbsup: :dobe:

Kind of like my favorite that I've posted on here before:

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A few days ago my new girl became 'distressed' (angry would be the best way to describe it) when a Lady Gaga song came on and I cranked it up at work.


Most definitely had to 'desensitize' her to that stuff.

:)
 
Context in this is that too many folks have Dobermans that should not have Dobermans and the ones that can’t handle them abandon them to the rescues, pounds, or streets. My words have always been that Dobermans are not the lap dog Lassie that will lay on the couch all day and lazy around with no antics. They are strong, demanding animals that are a true member of the family AND need to be engaged with a purpose- daily, not just when you get yippy and feel like it.
Trust me it's not just a doberman thing. IMHO it's a people problem, not a breed thing. I have worked in rescue most of my life and every breed as well as mutts have experienced the stupidity of humans.
 
Trust me it's not just a doberman thing. IMHO it's a people problem, not a breed thing. I have worked in rescue most of my life and every breed as well as mutts have experienced the stupidity of humans.
I totally agree with this, no question. People are 90% of every problem with dogs who have problems.

But I think the idea of the title of this thread is that Dobermans were originally bred and designed to be sharp, looking for work or a job or some action and to BE BUSY. If someone wants a Doberman for their looks, but they don't want to cater to their need for attention and training and some kind of job, then complain or dump them in the local shelter this (like you say) is a people problem, but also an advertising problem and also a breeder problem for not fielding their puppy applicants. "making Dobermans for everyone" started after WWII and the popularity of the breed was high but breeders realized they needed to breed "less dog" so John Q Public was happy with them. So now we have 3 types - 1.show/pet and 2.working, and 3.a whole lot of BYB who aren't breeding for anything except puppies and money and those are the dogs that most often end up in shelters because they are sold with no intentions of ever trying to help an overwhelmed new owner and the new owner never was told how different it is to raise a Doberman puppy. Thus ending up in shelters, perfectly nice dogs if they'd just lucked into owners with more time or dedication. I don't have an answer for any of it.
 
3.a whole lot of BYB who aren't breeding for anything except puppies and money and those are the dogs that most often end up in shelters because they are sold with no intentions of ever trying to help an overwhelmed new owner and the new owner never was told how different it is to raise a Doberman puppy.
This! It's sad to see too much of it.
 
But I think the idea of the title of this thread is that Dobermans were originally bred and designed to be sharp, looking for work or a job or some action and to BE BUSY.
I think that is what I was saying. I was just pointing out that it applies to more than dobermans. There are also lots of reasons for it like a movie comes out and makes a breed popular. Some breeds it's because the puppy grew up and it's just not cute anymore.
In a nut shell, people need to learn to be responsible for the decisions they make.
 

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