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[Rowledge2]

My feelings when I mention to a vet about some treatment or supplement and they say it probably won't help or work. My next question to them is well will it hurt them? If they say no then I try it anyway!!! If they say yes or don't know then I search out for the answer.
All vets don't know everything!
Think Out of The Box!

Some good videos below.

I would try the Storm's regimen and other recommendations on that site anyway and @GennyB mentioned.
Storm's Regimen

Since this issue is mostly Genetic in Dobes and some other breeds this can be tough to manage. Not all things will work for each dog. Also Alopecia can be caused by other things like diseases, infections, auto-immune and conditions. So it was good to have the skin biopsy to rule things out.

If the Vet put your Dobe on any antibiotics (which upset the gut bacteria) it's a good idea to give a good a pre and probiotic. Also you might want to keep them on it.

You can also try Biotin and Melatonin has helped in some Dobes we get into the Rescue.
Melatonin Therapy for Canine Alopecia (Hair Loss in Dogs) - Nashville

I know he's only 9mo old. Some things to get checked is to get a Full Thyroid Panel. A dog with Thyroid issues can cause or complicate skin issues. Your vet will probably say he is too young to have Thyroid issues.

Don't know what you are feeding? But a better diet like feeding a raw or home cooked diet can help.
Most kibble foods are very high (40-60%) in Carbs. Starch is used in foods like kibble to hold the kibble together. Starch=Carbs=Sugar. Sugar can feed Yeast.

Some recommendations.
Better diet.

Adding a good (we use Icelandic Pure Amazon $20 for 33oz) Omega 3 Fish Oil. We have been using one made from Sardines, Anchovies or Mackerel.
You can also add canned Sardines (ones that are in water) drain and feed 3-4x's a week.

Keep giving a Pre and Probiotic. These I would give separate (couple of hours before or after) from eating times and giving antibiotics.

Can also give Organic Brag's Apple Cider Vinegar 1Tsp 2x's a day on his food. ACV is antifungal and antibacterial. Can also put (use a cotton ball) on affected areas of the skin.

Adding Organic Coconut Oil to food. Coconut Oil contains Lauric Acid which is antifungal and antivirus. Can also melt some and put some on your hands and rub into affected areas. But also he might want to lick those areas.

There are some medicated shampoos. Also I would only use an Organic shampoo (not with Oatmeal) with a conditioner. Because you don't want to take out the natural oils out of the skin.

Some treatments say to use Oatmeal in them. But if your dog has allergies I would stay away from Oatmeal in the ingredients.

I would limit any vaccines. If he had his core puppy vaccines he most probable not need any boosters. Core vaccines can last 5-7yrs and up to the life of the pet.

A good contact is Atlanta Acupuncture which has lots of supplements and Chinese Herbs that might help.
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About Food Diets

Can try this foot soak for his feet.

Dr. Becker's Holistic Tips for Pet Allergies

Yeast Infection in Dogs

Color Dilution Alopecia in Dogs
What Is Color Dilution Alopecia and How Is It Treated in Dogs?

Alopecia in Dogs
What is Alopecia and Why Does a Dog Get it?

 

[Rowledge2]

I forgot to mention how beautiful yours looks! Gives me inspiration that Gunther has hope, he's such a goofball knucklehead, I just want him comfortable.
I am starting the Melatonin tonight, 3mg, he is already getting omega 3 capsules, and 1/2 can of real salmon, hopefully with the proper shampoos and maybe a food change it will turn around. I am apprehensive to start biotin, for fear it will complicate the skin, too many new things at once is probably not a good idea either, so we will go slow.
We shall see!!

 

[Rowledge2]

It's not unusual for Vet's to say there is nothing you can do. I heard it several times from my Vet. I was determined to give my girl the best coat I could. Greta came to me when she was 9 moths old with the worst coat EVER. She came from a bad situation. She had mange along with several other problems. We slowly began to address each problem and eventually were successful.
She ended up with a nice coat (she was diagnosed with CDA just before 2 yo) after trying multiple things. Some worked great, others not so much. In the end we were successful.
She was 9 in this pic showing off her nice full coat.
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If you suspect allergies I would give this a shot. I know several people that swear by it. Platinum Skin & Allergy

Try new things one at a time so you know what works. Also give it plenty of time to work. Finding something to help can take time, lots of time.

If there is a yeast infection going on, I would get to the bottom of it before trying to work on the coat. Patience and trying one thing at a time is your friend here.

It's not unusual for Vet's to say there is nothing you can do. I heard it several times from my Vet. I was determined to give my girl the best coat I could. Greta came to me when she was 9 moths old with the worst coat EVER. She came from a bad situation. She had mange along with several other problems. We slowly began to address each problem and eventually were successful.
She ended up with a nice coat (she was diagnosed with CDA just before 2 yo) after trying multiple things. Some worked great, others not so much. In the end we were successful.
She was 9 in this pic showing off her nice full coat.
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If you suspect allergies I would give this a shot. I know several people that swear by it. Platinum Skin & Allergy

Try new things one at a time so you know what works. Also give it plenty of time to work. Finding something to help can take time, lots of time.

If there is a yeast infection going on, I would get to the bottom of it before trying to work on the coat. Patience and trying one thing at a time is your friend here.

 

[Rowledge2]

I was wondering with all of this if changing the food to a Limited ingredients diet, grain-free is a good idea. I am kind of drawn to Instinct salmon, in hopes of reducing yeast causing ingredients, is this the right direction?? Cost is kind of an issue, not a deal-breaker but a consideration

 

[strykerdobe]

I was wondering with all of this if changing the food to a Limited ingredients diet, grain-free is a good idea. I am kind of drawn to Instinct salmon, in hopes of reducing yeast causing ingredients, is this the right direction?? Cost is kind of an issue, not a deal-breaker but a consideration

What brand of omega 3 fish oil are you giving?

Yes I would try the Melatonin for about 5-6weeks to see if there is any improvements. You can still add the canned salmon or canned sardines, eggs and blueberries. Also adding a pre and probiotic.

Don't know if you know about the controversy that has been going on about certain Grain Free foods causing DCM (Dilated Cardiomyopathy) issues in some breeds that are not prone to DCM. The jury is still out about feeding Grain Free. I don't think any answers will be anytime soon.
But the other issue is that Dobermans (up to 60%) of the breed are Genetically prone to DCM!

A good site for the most part with food ratings is Dog Food Advisor. You also can sign up for Food Recalls. I would try and stick with a 4 or 5 star rated food. And of course what your budget is.

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Instinct is a 4 star rated

 

[Rowledge2]

Thank you, now I am worried about the DCM! lol.
I am using nature valley and spring valley Omega 3 500mg (this cleared with the vet) I give about 2-4 capsules a day
Is anyone using a teaspoon of coconut oil in the food??

 

[strykerdobe]

Yes we give Coconut oil every day.

 

[Rowledge2]

Yes we give Coconut oil every day.

Thank you. We started the melatonine last night and a teaspoon of coconut oil this morning. I think that's enough change for a few months we will see how it goes
Thank you again for the input and direction

 

[GennyB]

Is anyone using a teaspoon of coconut oil in the food??

I give daily however I did start slow with maybe just a tiny dab and built up the amount over time.

 

[GennyB]

@Rowledge2 just wanted to remind you to protect your boys skin while you are in search of other supplements to help his coat. They do make uv blocking shirts for dogs as well as sunscreens. I found a sunscreen called California Kids was easier to find, safe for a dog and way less expensive.

 

[Rowledge2]

@Rowledge2 just wanted to remind you to protect your boys skin while you are in search of other supplements to help his coat. They do make uv blocking shirts for dogs as well as sunscreens. I found a sunscreen called California Kids was easier to find, safe for a dog and way less expensive.

good reminder he does love the sun

 

[strykerdobe]

Thank you. We started the melatonine last night and a teaspoon of coconut oil this morning. I think that's enough change for a few months we will see how it goes
Thank you again for the input and direction

Great also you can divide the amount of coconut oil in 2 if you feed 2x’s a day.

Keep us posted on any progress.

Also you still might want to call that Atlanta Acupuncture place and pick their brains about supplements.

 

[Rowledge2]

Ok I have another question I am posting a picture of his lip he gets these bumps around his mouth and head and other spots of his body

 

[Rowledge2]

Ok I have another question I am posting a picture of his lip he gets these bumps around his mouth and head and other spots of his body

 

[Lizbeli]

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Looks like puppy acne. Jasper got this pretty bad on his chin. I used cleansing wipes called TrizCHLOR4 that a vet recommended. I think some people get by with just wiping the area with a warm wet cloth. Idea is to get rid if any bacteria causing it. The wipes work great. I think as they mature they grow out of it.

 

[Rowledge2]

Looks like puppy acne. Jasper got this pretty bad on his chin. I used cleansing wipes called TrizCHLOR4 that a vet recommended. I think some people get by with just wiping the area with a warm wet cloth. Idea is to get rid if any bacteria causing it. The wipes work great. I think as they mature they grow out of it.

Thank you!! We can add that to yeasty feet and alopecia lol

 

[Rowledge2]

Update after 2 weeks I have not really noticed any changes in Gunther, he does sleep better at night with the melatonin, but we are still yeasty smelling, especially after playing. Is there anything internal that will help that? Or do I just need to give the coconut oil time?? I am so afraid of doing too much too soon or adding the wrong items to his diet.
Is there a preferred pro or prebiotic that is best for alopecia Dobies
I also can not seem to find a good nondrying shampoo

 

[Kaiser2016]

he does sleep better at night with the melatonin

Really? Like a noticeable difference?

 

[strykerdobe]

Puppy acne. Use warm compresses 4-5x's a day. Wash area with anti bacterial soap. Spray areas with Colloidal Silver. Clean food and water bowls everyday. Use Stainless Steel or Ceramic bowls. Not plastic! Also wash any plastic and rubber toys.

Again as I mentioned before. Also you still might want to call that Atlanta Acupuncture place and pick their brains about supplements.

Wash feet with Povidone-iodine in previous videos.

 

[Rowledge2]

Really? Like a noticeable difference?

Yes!! He also seemed to be flipping around a lot at night in his cage. He goes in at bed time and goes to sleep