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Need input on food change

Horselady

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Hey guys, I know it's been a while so I will start off by saying: I moved!!!!! 24 hr drive away from the jerk who wasn't nice to me or my dog. That said, Neegan is doing great, he's still shy around men, but he loves my dad after a bit of hesitation when he first sees him. I took my ex's dog too, for many reasons, including the dog deserves a better owner than what he had. I got a job out here (yay) that's a decent one and can afford to put a bit more into their food than I could before.

That brings me to a few questions and some are more about the OEB than the Doberman.

I was feeding diamond naturals. In theory it's a good feed, the ingredients are comparable to high dollar grain free feeds but only costs about a dollar a pound. However, Neegan didn't shed his puppy coat while on it and my dad accidentally bought a big bag of diamond maintenance and he had shed his puppy coat while on that. So it was a strike against diamond naturals. He stool was pretty firm on the naturals but here and there his stools are loose no matter the food.

The real problem though, is the OEB. He had surgery at 10-12 weeks where they removed 6-8" of intestine. Since then he has struggled with diarrhea. I tried many different foods before settling on diamond naturals, and felt like they were firmest with DN. However his owner gave him all kinds of grease and human food so I attributed most of his diarrhea to a sensitive digestive system mixed with an idiot feeding him. Since moving here I haven't given him any human food. Rarely his stool is solid, often it is pretty loose, and also more frequently than I'd like to see it is really runny/watery. He also has dandruff, and he has some scabs around his head but I'm not sure if they are allergies or Neegan playing too rough.

I'm going to deworm them, but the vet also deworms every time they visit for any reason, so I don't see that being it.

1. That said, what food do you guys feel would be the best for a sensitive stomach with possibly some allergies?

2. Any supplements you suggest for the OEB?

3. I'm concerned he has adhesions but I'm not sure what can be done about it. The last vet said diarrhea is never an acceptable "the dog's normal", but my other vet wasn't too concerned. We didn't have him back to the clinic that did the surgery because it wasn't our normal vet and because his owner was all about saving the dog but not too concerned if the dog had explosive diarrhea for the rest of his life :(. So I'm trying to get this figured out.

4. Neither dog has a shiney coat, my min pin does but she gets human treats (the others don't because I've been trying to figure out their digestive issues). I'm not sure if lack of shine is food quality or points to worms., Or if I'm picky. They do eat a lot of horse poo.

Please be kind to me/don't judge on what I've done so far. I'm doing what I can for them financially but my budget grew significantly when I had to take on lawyers in two states, move, find a job, buy work attire, pay for a mortgage until my home in previous state sells, and provide daycare for my son, etc... All that except the mortgage is a new expense. So they've been to the vet but at this time I can't afford to do major work ups. However, neutering is on the list. (Of note, the Doberman just turned 1, the OEB turned two in June/July ish?)
 
I'm going to deworm them, but the vet also deworms every time they visit for any reason, so I don't see that being it.
I wonder if too much deworming can cause digestive issues for them.

We feed TOTW with good results but it's not specifically for sensitive stomachs. I think @Archer and a few others I can't think of might have some good suggestions for you though.
 
We have 3 dobie's, 2 Mal's and a pit mix all on Diamond Extreme Athlete. They all do very well on it. I did notice some loose stools when we switched but now they are all doing great. We also supplement with Vertex and MSM. Unless you are extremely active with your dogs I would not recommend the vertex, it is like crack for dogs. :lmao:
 
My first sugestion is always to see a vet. Since you have wihout any success in figuring out the etiology of the diarrhea, I can share what I know and hope to be of help.

First, that is too much deworming. Deworming only needs to happen when worms are present, or as a part of the puppy series. Most heartworm preventatives have dewormers in them and are sufficient enough to carry an adult dog through it's life unless it gets infected. Yes, worming in excess can cause bowel issues.

Dobermans have sensitive stomachs as a breed. Constant diarrhea is not normal for any dog. It could be due to a number of things. It could be as simple as overfeeding. How much do you feed and do you add any extras?

If you aren't overfeeding, the chronic diarrhea can also be caused by malabsorption, allergies, too high of a protein count, or too many protein types in the food. Some dogs do best with a single protein single carb diet. Some you have to get a bit more extreme and feed a limited ingredient diet (aka LID), which is a limited protein (rabbit, duck, venison, pork) and a limited carb (potato, lentil, sweet potato). Some dogs, like my boy Archer even require a low fat content in addition to a LID. Finding out what works best for your dog is done through food trials.
 
Ok, my dogs don't see the vet unless needed. That vet has seen congo for puppy shots, and then a skin condition and then his yearly shots. At the checkup for the surgery he did not deworm him. This vet is ok school but definitely not an idiot. He also knows I had 30ish horses so all my dogs got strongid when they went in for a check up or something non major.
 
Neegan only sometimes has loose stools. But his coat isn't that crazy glassy shine I think it should be...

Congo is the real issue. I thought before it was due to the bacon grease, hamburger grease his idiot ex owner used to put on his food (+basically anything we were eating.). I have been away from that for almost 4 months and Congo is fatter, so it isn't running through him as bad but he still has diarrhea and a dull coat. One vet said if cutting out the human food didn't work that we should do testing... Dummy went home and fed dog more grease and sad lady vet didn't know what she was talking about...

So, I don't have the funds for a major workup at the moment... I'm hoping to just figure it out by trial and error but I need a good place to start. I don't think either dog has been dewormed in last 6 months because both are due for annual vaccines
 
Why is the Vet worming every time? Is there testing done first to show presence of worms or a parasite.
To worm automatically without a positive infestation I think that is crazy!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Worming alone can cause diarrhea! It cant be good for the intestinal tract! Besides 70-80% of the Immune System is located in the intestinal tract!!!!!!!!!!!!

Routinely Worming Our Dogs - The Whole Dog
www.thewholedog.org/artoverwoming.html
Routinely Worming Our Dogs ... 70% of the immune system is in the digestive system, ... were not responding to traditional diabetes medications to
 
We also supplement with Vertex and MSM. Unless you are extremely active with your dogs I would not recommend the vertex, it is like crack for dogs. :lmao:
So I looked up Vertex: Overall body chemistry for training, muscle growth, joint support, helping prevent injury, maintaining energy levels and recovery during exercise, increased endurance, increasing appetite, Omega 3’s, BCAA’s, L-Glutamine, natural vitamin sources.

Regarding the parts I underlined...how can you handle this? :rofl:
 
About the only thing I can comment on is the moving part. Not sure how long ago you moved but all the new stuff may be a stressor in the stool factor.

Hope all works out for the little ones!!
I had two thoughts and you hit one,the dandruff may be stress too.

The other, Rocky and Daisy had loose stool when ever they've been able to eat horse poop.
Considering the screen name, the mention of some 30+ horses...lol.

I'd try to limit their accessibility to the poop. I know, I know. I've never seen a dog that didn't act like one of those brats visiting Willie Wonkas candy factory when they find a pile. :D

But I'd start there, I'd start adding yogurt(with live culture) and salmon oil on top of what ever food you land on.
 
So I looked up Vertex: Overall body chemistry for training, muscle growth, joint support, helping prevent injury, maintaining energy levels and recovery during exercise, increased endurance, increasing appetite, Omega 3’s, BCAA’s, L-Glutamine, natural vitamin sources.

Regarding the parts I underlined...how can you handle this? :rofl:
It turns high drive dogs into Tasmanian Devils
Lmao
 
Thank you so much guys. I'm on speak to talk so this might be messy but I think you guys have hit on really good points. The vet if he sees the dogs 4 times a year and knowing their history and a very thank you so much guys. I'm not on speak to talk so this might be messy but I think you guys have hit on really good point. The vet if he sees the dogs for times a year and knowing there history and a very mild D wormer like stranded it never really bothered me I don't think that's the cause of the current issues because Congo has had the diarrhea all along.

Needin is red, Congo dark brindle. Both have dandruff Congo is far worse that is why I keep him on the Naturals.

If I can't get it figured out I will be doing a work up on Congo it cannot be comfortable to have diarrhea like that day in and day out I just feel bad for him but my finances have to recover a bit

As far as the move goes they handled that really well but their lives have significantly changed and while they are can find more that was a slow process I didn't get a job out here right away and they're under significantly less stress due to the threat of what the lack of threat of being abused so they should be much happier.

The horse poop comment is interesting I will have to watch Congo a little closer for what he does I'm trying to eliminate everything I know we have issues if they eat hubs the trimmings from hubs can make them puke and have diarrhea but I try to prevent that
 
What is it about horse poop? I noticed Kaiser feasting on a pile one time as well. That said he's gotten better about putting things into his mouth. In those first 6 months though, everything was on the menu!
 
Needin is red


I asked because not all colors are shiny. They can be but it can be a struggle to get there.

I do think you are on the right track trying to find a food that works. Coats, stools can be indicators the food is just wrong.
I learned with Drake that some times it's not what you feed but how you feed it. He has probably tried everything out there and it came down how I was feeding, not so much what. He does best on 3 smaller meals and a rotation diet. I'm finding that works for Rumor also. Big score!
All I can say is good luck on finding what works for 2 dogs cause I know first hand what a challenge it can be.
 
What is it about horse poop? I noticed Kaiser feasting on a pile one time as well. That said he's gotten better about putting things into his mouth. In those first 6 months though, everything was on the menu!

My first red boy would watch my horses and when one dropped a patty, the bubble over his head was "Oh boy hot meal" as he ran over to eat it. :sick:
That was gross and when I trimmed the horses hooves he would snarf that up before I could stop him. Those trimming stink beyond belief.
 

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