An intruder breaks in...what would your dog do?

[Gelcoater]

Gelcoater, I am sure the fault with your not understanding lies with the author and not with you the reader. This is one of the cases were "I" know what I mean but didn't state it plainly enough to be understood.

The Act vs React statement is something I strive for in my training, it is a very hard thing to do and takes the right dog and trainer to accomplish. However protection work is all about the training. With the end goal being a "Trained" dog perfectly under control and a good neighbor and good friend in all circumstances. One that acts with confidence and is trained well enough to have that confidence. The act part of this comes through the training. If you are a good enough trainer and have a dog able to respond to that training, the dog through repetition will learn to Act in a given situation because of his or her training. Because of this training and the repetition the dog is Acting as opposed to Reacting.

I also would like to state here, that finding the right dog with the right aptitude and desire are critical in accomplishing the task and that is a well trained and focused protection dog. If there is a failing here after you have picked the best candidate possible it always lies with the trainer or the training.

Well I hope I did a better job that time, but after reading and rereading it a couple of times I am not sure I have explained the thoughts I have running through my head that provoked that response in the first place.

Roland

Maybe I can word this differently.
In this video the dogs have little to no training,the one that did engage has some.
Lets suppose for a second we replaced these untrained dogs with highly trained dogs.
In either case aren't the dogs reacting to an intruder?Their response isn't an act but a reaction to someone entering.

 

[AresMyDobie]

I wish they would have let the trained dog do it with out the owner like the other two honestly :/ I dunno if that's already said or not lol

 

[AresMyDobie]

I know someone would be in big trouble with both our big dogs. Boo might back off but Ares wouldn't and that would probably insight a pack thing where'd he'd boost her and she's continue on. Deegan is the ultimate alerter, he hears something sounds off and the other two jump into action lol

 

[Drogon]

I guess the video raises a good topic for discussion. Certainly unfair comparison with an owner being present and having training. I would certainly expect a dog to act more protective of their owner than the owner's TV. I also agree that having the intruder wear a bite suit skews the results. I've heard people question whether a protection trained sport dog would bite someone who isn't wearing a suit.
Scientists need to invent a bite suit that looks like jeans and a shirt/hoodie/coat

 

[AresMyDobie]

I guess the video raises a good topic for discussion. Certainly unfair comparison with an owner being present and having training. I would certainly expect a dog to act more protective of their owner than the owner's TV. I also agree that having the intruder wear a bite suit skews the results. I've heard people question whether a protection trained sport dog would bite someone who isn't wearing a suit.
Scientists need to invent a bite suit that looks like jeans and a shirt/hoodie/coat

So agree I don't find it a fair challenge. If it were me the winner would be moose. No owner, no training and still took the guy on. I think they do have some suits that are disguised but I'm not sure but yes they should have made it all the same across.

 

[AresMyDobie]

Here's some I found that don't look crazy and reasonable

I guess the video raises a good topic for discussion. Certainly unfair comparison with an owner being present and having training. I would certainly expect a dog to act more protective of their owner than the owner's TV. I also agree that having the intruder wear a bite suit skews the results. I've heard people question whether a protection trained sport dog would bite someone who isn't wearing a suit.
Scientists need to invent a bite suit that looks like jeans and a shirt/hoodie/coat

this one is decent I think at least

 

[Gelcoater]

Here's some I found that don't look crazy and reasonable

this one is decent I think at least View attachment 62780

Thats pretty cool.
Needs something for his hands though,perforation seems unavoidable.

 

[AresMyDobie]

Thats pretty cool.
Needs something for his hands though,perforation seems unavoidable.

Well ya I'm sure he could wear gloves but the suit itself looks good, I mean a dog wouldn't be able to tell. I love Ray Allen they always have the best stuff haha

 

[AresMyDobie]

This might be a weird question but haha would a dog react the same way to a women intruder as a male intruder ?

 

[Gelcoater]

This might be a weird question but haha would a dog react the same way to a women intruder as a male intruder ?

An excellent question!!
Daisy loves women.I honestly think that you for instance may have a chance.Then again?
Would be another great experiment.
You should go get one of those suits

 

[AresMyDobie]

An excellent question!!
Daisy loves women.I honestly think that you for instance may have a chance.Then again?
Would be another great experiment.
You should go get one of those suits

Alright hahaha I'm little though and will go down easy if she goes for me lol my only hope would be to out run her ... Hahahah in a bite suit none the less AS IF !!!

 

[Gelcoater]

Alright hahaha I'm little though and will go down easy if she goes for me lol

I'm not sure how to solve that?
If I'm on the property,she'll know it.Smell,hearing,she'll know.
I imagine that's the case with all our dogs.
See if your man will volunteer to wear it and face two big dogs.

See,this goes back to my original thoughts on this video.
One dog had an owner present and was receiving protection training while the other two had no training and no one present for guidance or that extra incentive to "protect" it's person.
We need this Mendoza guy to go to your house
He can face one large dog with training,another large dog with no protection training and an little ankle biter.
That little one would scare me most.

 

[AresMyDobie]

I'm not sure how to solve that?
If I'm on the property,she'll know it.Smell,hearing,she'll know.
I imagine that's the case with all our dogs.
See if your man will volunteer to wear it and face two big dogs.

See,this goes back to my original thoughts on this video.
One dog had an owner present and was receiving protection training while the other two had no training and no one present for guidance or that extra incentive to "protect" it's person.
We need this Mendoza guy to go to your house
He can face one large dog with training,another large dog with no protection training and an little ankle biter.
That little one would scare me most.

Hahahahaha I doubt he'drisk his money maker for it hahaha I on the other hand would be all for it so long as I have a helmet lol
Hmmm would be very interesting to see what would happen with my crew lol this is my prediction Deegan would go off and then Ares would be first on the scene then Boo ... I don't think the guy would be able to get in lol
Lol Deegan was actually an ankle biter ... I put an end to that one real quick ! Little turd haha

 

[AresMyDobie]

I think I should start a thread on male intruder vs. female intruder .. What would your dog do? Lol

 

[Gelcoater]

Hahahahaha I doubt he'drisk his money maker for it hahaha I on the other hand would be all for it so long as I have a helmet lol
Hmmm would be very interesting to see what would happen with my crew lol this is my prediction Deegan would go off and then Ares would be first on the scene then Boo ... I don't think the guy would be able to get in lol
Lol Deegan was actually an ankle biter ... I put an end to that one real quick ! Little turd haha

Another aspect of the test video to consider is the method of entry.
Typically there are two.
One is a sneak or walk in approach.
The other is home invasion style where the door is kicked in.
In that second scenario entry isn't a question,the intruder is in.The question is how far in they get before they really really regret it
To get even more realistic in testing,how are we so sure in a real life situation there is only one intruder?What if there are two or three or more?

 

[AresMyDobie]

Another aspect of the test video to consider is the method of entry.
Typically there are two.
One is a sneak or walk in approach.
The other is home invasion style where the door is kicked in.
In that second scenario entry isn't a question,the intruder is in.The question is how far in they get before they really really regret it
To get even more realistic in testing,how are we so sure in a real life situation there is only one intruder?What if there are two or three or more?

Lol so true hahaha that's why have more then one dog a crazy pound hound and a hell hound haha

 

[AresMyDobie]

Another aspect of the test video to consider is the method of entry.
Typically there are two.
One is a sneak or walk in approach.
The other is home invasion style where the door is kicked in.
In that second scenario entry isn't a question,the intruder is in.The question is how far in they get before they really really regret it
To get even more realistic in testing,how are we so sure in a real life situation there is only one intruder?What if there are two or three or more?

Actually let Boo sleep out of the crate lol found out she sleeps against the door of our bedroom lol good luck intruder hahaha

 

[PandoraB]

A couple of things I noticed. I believe all 3 dogs were young and under 2. So if it's accurate that the protection instinct isn't fully formed until a dog is 2 then it wasn't a fair contest. Also, the dog trainer acting as the intruder wasn't scared which would not be the case if a real intruder came across one of those dogs. An actual intruder would be sending off strong fear/nervousness vibes in which case the dogs may have reacted differently. Also, an actual intruder when confronted with one of those dogs may have turned around and ran in the opposite direction which may have caused the dogs to aggressively pursue.

I think the tips at the ends said you want a highly intelligent dog if you're looking for a dog to protect your home. Dobermans are known to be one of the most intelligent dogs around. Would have been nice to see a mature Doberman put to the test.

 

[FredC]

This might be a weird question but haha would a dog react the same way to a women intruder as a male intruder ?

Funny you ask because i was just questioning why all these "Tests" always only seem to use Male dogs.. But back to your question I know for a fact Mars did not discriminate but how far he would go is something i just couldn't answer, All i know for sure is that he spent his entire adult life putting on one hell of a show for company.... I would venture a guess that an untrained dog may likely perceive a female as a lesser threat than a male.. It is a fact that more dogs fear men then women, so i would assume the dog would be more receptive to a female.. On the other hand guess its also hard to say what a trained dog would perceive as a threat since most are handled by women with male helpers..

Actually that would be another great topic for another discussion.. Why so few women helpers? and who are they?

 

[FredC]

Would you risk it?

lol who am i kidding? you wouldn't even get a foot in the door..