Pantheon Dobermans

[alicia.delrosario.9]

Has anyone else had bad experiences with this breeder? I felt I did my research and contacted several people who had purchased from Debra Green before buying my Dobie. Deb had a 9 month old advertised as trained and loving. I contacted her telling her I wanted the dog to be a therapy dog. She assured me she was good to go and would pass the CGC test easily. Well I purchased my Dobie and had her shipped to me only to find out she's frightened of everything and everyone! She bolts from everyone in our house, is frightened of her crate, outside, the car, noises on the tv, a ceiling fan; you name it! How foolish and let down I feel. I can't believe someone would do this to someone and especially knowing I have a toddler in our home. Now my Dobie is confined to a crate to keep her safe and not only am I out all the money I spent on her but I've got to now hire a trainer who specializes in dogs that have not been socialized. Such a letdown! I will never buy from someone again that I can't go and see the puppy and parents. To make matters worse I was not sent this pups shots records and she has not responded back to me other than the day I got her off the plane stating she would email them to me! What a crock! Now I have to put this poor girl through that stress too! Beware of this breeder! [emoji31]

 

[kashi]

I know nothing about the breeder sorry but that's so sad that your dobe is so scared. It does sound like a lack of socialization and exposure. Good luck and don't lose hope her fears might have been made a whole lot worse by the traveling and change of environment

 

[twinlions]

Please do let me know if your dob gets better. Its sad to hear.


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[twinlions]

But the dog looks so nice, specially with those nice ears.


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[Oh Little Oji]

I have always wondered about shipping puppies via airplane.

Just an honest question. I know it is common practice, but doesn't it stand to have an effect on a puppy especially if shipped during a supposed critical fear period?

I know the pup in this case was about 9 months old, so it applies less, but still. If a dog is already fearful it seems it would be problematic.

I hope breeders who ship via air freight already have their pups accustomed to crates, and hopefully to being transported around in them. We can't know what treatment they receive from the various airline employees. Then there's all the sensations of taking off, landing and turbulence.

At any rate, I really hope your new Doberman makes a quick turnaround. It is scary placing trust in a breeder you don't know very well. I would think that if your girl is that fearful yet the breeder said she was good, then the breeder would do something to try to make it right. Of course, in fairness, we're only hearing one side of the story here.

 

[Rits]

So sorry you were duped by these people. Another member had a similar experience https://doberman-chat.com/community/threads/blue-line-kennel-in-nc.20822/#post-373142

Good luck in your training, I hope she is able to come out of her shell and blossom.

 

[GennyB]

So sorry this happened to you. So frustrating, especially when you have done everything right. I hope you can find a good trainer to help you out.

I have been working on some ideas on ways to hold breeder responsible. There just no easy way. So far, the best is education so thank you for sharing your experience. It may help someone else.

Oh...BTW, welcome o Doberman chat.

 

[Firestar Dobe]

Very sorry to hear this. I can't imagine what your girl is going through to live in terror all the time! Maybe with a lot of love, patience and training you will be able to turn this around. I hope it gets better soon.

 

[Doberman Gang]

Puppies that are crate trained are going to adapt to air travel easier than an older dog. Dobermans can go through a fear stage usually after teething and before they are a year old. This may be part of your dobes issue. Just be a firm leader, do not baby her. If you tell her "it is ok" to help reassure her when she is showing fear, you are telling her it is ok to be afraid. So, be assertive and confident while training, she will follow your lead.


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[Ingrid H]

What a shame... Sounds like a case of no socialization. I know people who got dogs at a similar age (6-9 months) from breeders who were raising them for show but for one reason or another they didn't quite measure up. Those dogs exhibited the same behavior you are describing. They mostly recovered but not entirely.

Is she safe with your child?

 

[Dobs4ever]

Debra Green is a member of DPCA. I would contact her about sending the dog back as it is not what she claimed. No 9 month old should be that fearful even if it is a big fear period. She should take responsibility and take the dog back and refund your money. There is far more here than meets the eye. Her web site does not really tell anyone much except flashing the same pictures over and over across the top. I am very sorry to read that she is not responding to you. I would contact Michelle Santana with your complaint and ask the board of directors which you can find their e mails on the DPCA.org web site - I would write Michelle, Adrian, Sharon, Faye, and Theresa as they are the most likely to be most helpful.

Any dog shipped MUST have a certified health certificate to ship - Check you paperwork as it should be there and show that the puppy had shots and at that age rabies would be required. It will also have the name of the vet who issued the health certificate.

I can tell you a web site with so little info should be a red flag regardless of how many champions one claims.

Just an honest question. I know it is common practice, but doesn't it stand to have an effect on a puppy especially if shipped during a supposed critical fear period?

Any puppy with a good temperament and handled and socialized by the breeder and already crate trained has no problem with shipping.

In the mean time get her out of the crate and leash her to you. Ignore all fearful behavior and reward her if she moves forward with you. Take her out in the yard and walk around with her leashed to you. Again ignore all fearful behavior and only reward for moving forward. Will she take a treat like a hot dog or cheese from you???

 

[shadash]

Is your dog just fearful or is it fearful and aggressive/nippy/etc?

For me fearful is easy to train into a therapy dog. But it depends if fearful is combined with other issues.

 

[JanS]

Well I purchased my Dobie and had her shipped to me only to find out she's frightened of everything and everyone! She bolts from everyone in our house, is frightened of her crate, outside, the car, noises on the tv, a ceiling fan; you name it!

This happened with our first Doberman and I thought I had done the research too. We actually did go and pick him up and saw the rest of the family, but she never did a thing with him for socializing and even her vet came to her house so they never got out at all until the new owners picked them up.

Luckily we found a good trainer so we were able to socialize him and build his confidence, but it took time and patience.

The two we have now were well socialized and brought up the right way and it made a world of difference.

Just an honest question. I know it is common practice, but doesn't it stand to have an effect on a puppy especially if shipped during a supposed critical fear period?

We had both our our current dogs flown to us and when they got out of the crate they weren't phased at all and went about playing and being normal puppies as soon as we got them home. They were already crate trained at the breeders and had no problem going back into their crate when we went to work, etc.

 

[Ingrid H]

As adorable as your girl is, I think I'd try to return her for a full refund of my money. I've got a dog with fear issues, and I wouldn't want her around small children. I don't even let her around most adults. It sucks, but you seem to have been fooled as I was with my girl.

The best therapy for Ladybug was ignoring her fearful reactions to normal life. She was scared to death of plastic grocery bags when I got her, but I just ignored her and acted cool and calm around the bags. I even tried to seem happy about being with the bags. It worked. She is no longer afraid.

 

[Oh Little Oji]

I checked out their website last night.

They claim they've been producing awesome Dobermans since 1974. Have to say that claim gave me some confidence.

 

[alicia.delrosario.9]

I am just heartbroken! I have attempted to contact her and have been unsuccessful. I don't know what else to do now other than visit with a trainer. I have to. I have to confine her to a crate when I'm not able to supervise her like a hawk. So sad to have to do that. On a happy note she walked into her crate this morning versus me pushing her in. Of course I have been feeding her in it too. Oh what to do. I can't just let her go to anyone for fear she is mistreated or her issues not addressed and then she hurt someone. [emoji22][emoji22][emoji22][emoji22][emoji22]

 

[alicia.delrosario.9]

She is not showing any aggression this far. Just bolts from things. I have been keeping her leashed to me. She is taking treats from me but then back away quickly. I did contact the vet listed on the health certificate and they stated Debra could not produce proof of shot records as she gives her own vaccines so they administered her rabies. That is all I have on her.

 

[Ingrid H]

That's good she hasn't shown any aggression, but it would be pretty unusual for such a young pup to do so.

 

[BiggyRat]

Yeah it can be a bugger buying mail order without actually touching the product first. To clarify, you did say 9 months old?

Here is a thought and I know this would not be the sole factor but maybe a contributor. Navigating bare wood, marble and other slippery floors can be severely traumatic to some dogs. Reactive dogs (if she is diagnosed as such) can be a handful and not just in the short term. In my opinion, you have two choices. Return the pretty girl or assisted training. To help you make the correct decision for your particular case, an assessment by an animal behaviorist is recommended.

Wishing you all the best in resolving your issue.

 

[alicia.delrosario.9]

She is 10 months now. I am going to meet with a trainer on Sunday to see if he can help us. The breeder has not responded to me since last Friday. I have contacted DPCA as well. They suggested I return her but again I can't do that if the breeder doesn't take my calls or answer my emails.