Why is raw feeding so hard for the neophyte to understand?

[DocReverto]

Posted today by this OP:


I bring this up as I read this thread where basically she calls everyone who does not feed raw an idiot and that we do not care about our dogs.......This thread was started by in 2010 - then during that time after posting this she comes on and says she strayed and compromised a bit and tried TOW,Timberwolf, Honest Kitchn and Acana/Orijen which is a whole lot of straying while leading us to beli she actually fed ONLY raw and is a vegetarian herself.

What concerns me is new people read this stuff and believe it then go out and act on it. I believe if you give advice on the internet it should be correct and accurate and that you don't "STRAY" and say one thing while doing another.

This is not the first time this has happened with this OP. There are several threads where she has been asked to answer stuff she has posted as gospel and she has refused to respond.

Look at the Excellent breeder thread where she states wait to 6 years of age to breed a dog. I asked if this was her plan for breeding since she recommends it to us and she left the thread and has not returned.

She states she has titled dogs equal to me and yet in the Amer/Euro thread she ask how to find out about the BH which is the basic obedience title before starting Schutzhund.

I don't know about you but the credibility of this OP leaves me shaking my head.

Coming from a semi new guy... I read the whole thread and I found the first post to come off pretty know allish. Just because the op thinks her way is the only right way does not mean it is true.
The only post where the op has responded to me was very snobbish. So I am very hesitant to trust/listen to anything said from her. I btw feed acana and I love it, my dogs are happy, I'm happy. Enough said. Thank you for pointing out the contradictions in her post dobs4ever

 

[fehnder]

I think anyone seeking advice on a forum needs to be aware that any advice is based on opinions and experience. It is down to the discretion of the individual people to decide whether to follow any advice. When asking about anything medical/healthwise, nothing is better than seeing a vet. Sadly there are many 'know it all' people about on forums, I was a member of a particularly popular Jack Russell Forum for nearly 4 years (and was consequently banned from it this year for giving advice on someone asking opinions on breeding their 'rare chocolate coloured' Jack Russell - its a very easy site to find should you wish to.) and it is now full of people advising others not to give puppys puppy milk and instead substitute it for water, there is even advice by a 'behaviourist and trainer' telling people that if their dog is fighting, to strangle it and I quote 'make sure you let go or you will have a dead un' such advice is sooo dangerous and I fear for people who take it as 'correct'.

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Look at the Excellent breeder thread where she states wait to 6 years of age to breed a dog. I asked if this was her plan for breeding since she recommends it to us and she left the thread and has not returned.'​

I know a few reputable breeders and none of them would recommend breeding a bitch over 6 years of age. She sounds like shes spouting rubbish.
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[DocReverto]

I completely agree. That's what I love about this forum. There is a fine line between constructive criticism and disrespectful behavior. One thing I will point out too...it can be very difficult to detect a hidden meaning in text.

 

[Denissov43]

Coming from a semi new guy... I read the whole thread and I found the first post to come off pretty know allish. Just because the op thinks her way is the only right way does not mean it is true.
The only post where the op has responded to me was very snobbish. So I am very hesitant to trust/listen to anything said from her. I btw feed acana and I love it, my dogs are happy, I'm happy. Enough said. Thank you for pointing out the contradictions in her post dobs4ever

You can learn alot from D4E.... she is the unchallenged, unrivaled, "Doberman Queenl' here.. I have long since bowed to her omnipotence, omnipresence and her vast cisterns of wisdom....
I learned that two years ago... over this post exactly actually....
I hope you learn as much from her in the next couple years as I have... gosh if it were not for her...gee wiz... I just don't know how I made it all these years without her VAST 'Wisdom"....

Just follow her posts and you will be led down the path to Doberman Enlightenment... its such a 'blessing' to have her here to police us all for every opinion we have whether it be good, bad or indifferent... and to have her fastidiously point out how ignorant, and clearly blissfully unaware and doltish we are when it comes to anything "Doberman'...

She is the fountain of wisdom...

Oh please do yourself a huge favor and do keep on believing her every post and following her every correction of me, especially those older posts when I first got here and clearly stepped on a few toes... Of course no one else ever did anything like that.... Just me.... because hearing her tell it... its unanimous that I am the most offensive, boorish, full of BS person that ever stepped in here.
Just ask her! She will tell you so! Its amazing how much that I have "Learned" from her....
All Hail Suzan and her Doberman encyclopedia of knowledge... :shakinghead:
Perhaps she is writing a book on this stuff? Can we get a copy Suzan? any time soon? I wanna make sure I get a copy of that book... its gonna be good!

 

[DocReverto]

You can learn alot from D4E.... she is the unchallenged, unrivaled, "Doberman Queenl' here.. I have long since bowed to her omnipotence, omnipresence and her vast cisterns of wisdom....
I learned that two years ago... over this post exactly actually....
I hope you learn as much from her in the next couple years as I have... gosh if it were not for her...gee wiz... I just don't know how I made it all these years without her VAST 'Wisdom"....

Just follow her posts and you will be led down the path to Doberman Enlightenment... its such a 'blessing' to have her here to police us all for every opinion we have whether it be good, bad or indifferent... and to have her fastidiously point out how ignorant, and clearly blissfully unaware and doltish we are when it comes to anything "Doberman'...

She is the fountain of wisdom...

Oh please do yourself a huge favor and do keep on believing her every post and following her every correction of me, especially those older posts when I first got here and clearly stepped on a few toes... Of course no one else ever did anything like that.... Just me.... because hearing her tell it... its unanimous that I am the most offensive, boorish, full of BS person that ever stepped in here.
Just ask her! She will tell you so! Its amazing how much that I have "Learned" from her....
All Hail Suzan and her Doberman encyclopedia of knowledge... :shakinghead:
Perhaps she is writing a book on this stuff? Can we get a copy Suzan? any time soon? I wanna make sure I get a copy of that book... its gonna be good!

This is the kind of crap I'm talking about.

Your right to, I trust a hell of a lot of what she says. She is extremely informative. So far all I have seen from you has been disrespect and links to websites. I'm not following her every post in regards to you. I merely stated your first post to me was pretty sarcastic and rude.

I'm not saying your always offensive and a terrible member. What I am saying is that you are not helping with posts like the one quoted. Everyone makes mistakes on posts, some of those mistakes require trust to be built up again. No one is perfect and I don't expect that. What I do expect is for you to not get butt hurt about it, and be respectful to everyone on the forum.

 

[Denissov43]

I completely agree. That's what I love about this forum. There is a fine line between constructive criticism and disrespectful behavior. One thing I will point out too...it can be very difficult to detect a hidden meaning in text.

it should not be difficult at all to detect my 'hidden meaning' in my reply regarding this thread....
its pretty clear...
taking "quotes" out of context can often lead to misunderstanding....

Suzan aka D4E has a small handful of 'groupies' here who follow her every word and take her word as gospel and taking anything from them about Me is going to be very one sided.... I ignore them for the most part because of their pettiness and their argumentative nature... this single post was posted 2 years ago. I have long since apologized for coming off so 'poorly' as it was not intended in that way...
however, since that time D4E aka Suzan of Dobermans Forever has obsessed about despising me and because of her obsession over the past 2 years, I feel the same about her....
and just so you know... its ok to hate some of the people who go to your dog park and make a point to avoid being there or listening to them or taking what they say as 'gospel'.... My opinions are my opinions... like assholes we all have them. it is what it is...
Jeezuz crist... Get over it Suzan... you are so ridiculous... you are bordering on psychotic about it in these past 2 years.. you and your 'groupies'... ignore me since you cannot stand me and or my opinions... put my ass on 'IGNORE" and leave it alone?
I do the same thing for you in return. you are on IGNORE.... put me there so you do not have to persist like this for another 2 years... its really getting old!

 

[Denissov43]

This is the kind of crap I'm talking about.

Your right to, I trust a hell of a lot of what she says. She is extremely informative. So far all I have seen from you has been disrespect and links to websites. I'm not following her every post in regards to you. I merely stated your first post to me was pretty sarcastic and rude.

I'm not saying your always offensive and a terrible member. What I am saying is that you are not helping with posts like the one quoted. Everyone makes mistakes on posts, some of those mistakes require trust to be built up again. No one is perfect and I don't expect that. What I do expect is for you to not get butt hurt about it, and be respectful to everyone on the forum.

Dude you have been here a month.... I have been here for over two years and listened to her BS and her "Groupies' for hundreds of posts... I could give a shit what you think of my post of two years ago.... I do not give a shit what D4E thinks of my opinions either, but for gawds sake... enough is enough.
This post offended some and was received well by just as many as were 'offended'... it was a single post in a thread ABOUT raw feeding and directed AT raw feeders NOT those who do not feed Raw....
Now two years later? Suzan comes back to this post and jumps on the same 'band wagon' over an issue thread that has been closed for two years? seriously?
I have just as many ''friends' here as anyone else has here and just as many 'groupies' of D4E who take offense at every single thing I say... so consider the whole thing with a huge grain of salt.
You do not have to judge a person by one post or twenty... but the by the ongoing regular input... Mine is the opposite input of what you hear from D4E and our points, opinions and research into those things is based on our belief systems.
If you are a raw feeder... you can walk the walk from mild to wild... everyone's opinions are just that and ALL should be taken for the 'INTENT" of the information.... the information is for evaluation and education so that we are all not one sided... what would the world be like if everyone was milk toast, one sided, one view and one manner in which information is provided and or given?
If you think I am 'rude'? so be it.... its your opinion and you are entitled to it... just as many people or more find me intelligent, educated, informative, and pleasant, funny and one who strongly believes what she believes and no one has to guess if I like them or not.... you know it...
so far.... I am not crazy about you either.... because you found your self siding with someone whom I have come to dislike immensly and because you feel her loose cannon mouth and manner in which she expresses herself is NOT rude and or offensive, but Mine is...
Irony, really.... because she is a LOOSE cannon, rudely opinionated, mis informed often, full of narrow minded old world beliefs about many issues that relate to dog health and well being. Sad... but people like her are far more dangerous than 'My variety' of 'loose cannon'. Give it some time and you too will either dislike her immensely or be one of her 'groupies'... in here? there is no gray areas... People either leave this forum because of her or they stay and become one of her 'disciples'....
I stay because of a handful of european Doberman owners who like me have wonderful dogs we imported from Europe and we tend to stick to each others posts about our dogs.

 

[Dobs4ever]

Denissov I don't put anyone on ignore. I am not that insecure. I will answer all questions asked of me and the answers will be the same tomorrow - you can read any of my post you would like. I post what I know from years of breeding and training. ONE breed the Doberman Pinscher. I am not on my third or fourth breed and I am not an occassional breeder who hopes in and out of my passion.

I just happen to think if you say one thing and do another poeple might like to know it. I did not post about the tone of your post but that you said everyone was a dummny who did not feed raw then you come on today and say you "strayed" from that hard hitting post.

I post my answers not web sites for people to go read. I figure they can read the same as me. I speak from years of hands on Doberman experience. If I have some people who like what I post it is because I do what I preach and preach what I post. I am usually short and to the point.

I don't care who you are or what you need If it is about Dobermans I want to help not give info that I don't follow myself. I would never put one single Doberman at risk by spouting something I was not or had not already experienced myself.

Oh please do yourself a huge favor and do keep on believing her every post and following her every correction of me, especially those older posts when I first got here and clearly stepped on a few toes... ​

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It was never about stepping on toes. I am sure I step on toes sometimes too. It is about giving out info as the gospel and then you aren't even following it 100% yourself. The duplicity of your post is what I referred to. New people read this stuff and count on us to give them sound advice. Not some off the wall stuff or kick we are on today and off to a new one tomorrow.

I don't hate you either. I like to be challenged - it forces me to either step up to the plate and show I know what i am talking about or I don't. People are free to judge each person by their post and usually you can tell pretty quickly if someone is honest and open or not. I won't put you on ignore. I enjoy your post too much. I never know which side of the bed you got up on today.

I have just as many ''friends' here as anyone else has here and just as many 'groupies' of D4E who take offense at every single thing I say... so consider the whole thing with a huge grain of salt.
You do not have to judge a person by one post or twenty... but the by the ongoing regular input... Mine is the opposite input of what you hear from D4E and our points, opinions and research into those things is based on our belief systems.


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Dennisov - Please don't bad mouth and call people names just because they do not agree with you. Crow-Raven is a new member and deserves some common decency. If you are really angry then please direct your anger at me. I am the one that brought up this thread although you see obtuse as to why I brought it up.

Again it has nothing to do with the fact it was considered rude - it was because you told people to only feed raw because that is what you were doing - Then you come on and say you were feeding kibble. I see that as duplicity. It is that duplicity that I question.

Don't pick on the new folks - you are free to come after me though, I can hanlde you.

 

[DocReverto]

Well I'll leave you to it. This argument is going nowhere.

 

[fehnder]

I skimmed through the thread and as a newcomer with fresh eyes to the whole thing I think that this:

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It is about giving out info as the gospel and then you aren't even following it 100% yourself.'​

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Is what needs to be addressed, no one should give advice out as 'gospel' unless they are qualified to do so. I'd hate to think of someones dogs being hurt by poor advice that they have read and been led to believe is true fact when it is just plain opinion, not saying that this has happened here, only that I have seen instances of this in other places.​

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I want to help not give info that I don't follow myself. I would never put one single Doberman at risk by spouting something I was not or had not already experienced myself.'​

The whole point and the benefits of being on a forum. Diverse experience and good people willing to share.

I also want to add that I am capable of making my own decisions, I stay on this forum because I enjoy learning, seeing other peoples dogs, sharing experiences and speaking to new people. I am not going to be a 'groupie' of anyone. If someone talks sense then I'm happy. I'm not here to dislike people, I enjoy a good debate but why get personal? An opinion is just an opinion regardless if someone agrees with me or not.

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[Dobs4ever]

I also want to add that I am capable of making my own decisions, I stay on this forum because I enjoy learning, seeing other peoples dogs, sharing experiences and speaking to new people. I am not going to be a 'groupie' of anyone. If someone talks sense then I'm happy. I'm not here to dislike people, I enjoy a good debate but why get personal? An opinion is just an opinion regardless if someone agrees with me or not.

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Well said - And in the end everyone has to make their own decisions. WE come here for input and experience and help and to share the love of our Dobermans. We all should be willing to share what we know and why we know it. But you will never see me call people names or show my butt on a public list. To me that shows a lack of educaiton and vocubulary and usually is an indication that we got caught red handed in a tall tale and so are embarassed, hence we go on the defensive.

 

[FredC]

Sometime we just need to agree to disagree.. or take what you can and leave the rest.. I can relate to having old posts shoved down my throat, In the years since this forum opened i have changed my opinions on a multitude of subjects.( i like to call it evolving..) This post isnt aimed at anyone in particular, i just wanted to weigh in.. I like to think i have enough sense to use my own better judgement when it comes to advice posted on the internet.. With that being said i really would like to see this back and forth bickering come to an end sooner then later..

Peace..

 

[Dobs4ever]

Spoken like a true Dog Father!!!