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Anyone have any experience with this breeder?

I found the price. $1500.00. You can get a really well bred pup for that.
I just worry because my Greta is not well bred and we have spent a collage education (at least) on her. Then we have Drake who is very well bred and he visits the vet once a year. Never sick, no meds, just a great dog.
 
I also have to say that in many cases the breeders who are out for a buck, more than maintaining the breed standards may charge more than some of the reputable breeders. We paid $2,000. plus the extras for Boris and like I said before she was "not" a good breeder, but just knew the tactics to advertise them on her page. I've seen them from excellent breeders for the same price or even sometimes less and even if they don't live within driving distance, many will fly them to you if you meet the puppy requirements to bring one into your home. I'm not saying this is the case with the breeder in question, but in the end it does matter for the long term with the health, temperament and continued support you'll get from whomever you choose to buy your pup from. :)
 
I found the price. $1500.00. You can get a really well bred pup for that.
I just worry because my Greta is not well bred and we have spent a collage education (at least) on her. Then we have Drake who is very well bred and he visits the vet once a year. Never sick, no meds, just a great dog.
That pretty much sums up our experience, too. Spock has been in and out of the vet for stomach issues that I wonder if he inherited. River on the other hand has only been for typical stuff that I know aren't genetic like Giardia, lumps and bumps from playing, that kind of thing.
 
They're amazingly aggressive on that supplement crap. The web design is pretty poor, with giant type and red type being a bit overused, especially in the context of the supplements-- it comes across as a loud, obnoxious used-car sales pitch. But that's just kind of a peeve of mine.

Of course it would be nice to know what genetic disorders have been screened & what health tests were done, moreso than how awesome the supplements are...

One thing that would be nice in the breed organizations in general would be health & longevity certifications to distinguish sires & dams that had such traits, if it were realistically possible to do so, though the longevity milestone would be rolling around after most animals' breeding careers are over. I'd think it's safe to say that over 80% of the Doberpeople around the world don't care about things like show awards & ScH titles-- they want dogs that conform to the breed standard, who are just generally healthy. Yes, it's definitely important to preserve the standard by selective breeding, but health often seems to be the cost with selective breeding programs that have a different primary focus, and the folks in charge of those programs may not know there's an impending disaster until it's too late. Or, they might just always be flirting with disaster, pushing the limits a bit too close, as is typically the case with the desire for the way legs are set in the rack posture for showing always seeming to be right on the edge of a propensity for hip dysplasia.

The million dollar question is whether the non-focused breeding programs (hobby, BYB) who breed non-distinguished stock, but who have enthusiasm for their dogs like these "Sureshot" folks, have a better chance of breeding for health & longevity traits. Whether it's deliberate or through the slight edge that the genetic diversity of not-thoroughly-thought-through pairings might have, it seems like there might be good odds, just so long as it's not completely haphazard breeding from substandard stock. For example, might a bitch with lots of ancestors with working titles in her pedigree, bred to a dog with show titles in his pedigree, have a better chance of producing offspring that may be mediocre at either activity, but might be superb generalists with better overall health?

I guess the primary conclusion I would reach is that these folks are emphasizing their Dobes' pet lifestyles & temperaments. It appears that their dogs (and the puppies they are selling) are spoiled rotten. That's way better than a puppy mill, but maybe not the best puppy source if one has any remote desire to engage in competitive activities down the road and health & longevity might be pretty hit-or-miss if they don't have the genetic tests & other documentation on their breeding stock.
 
Also just because someone does confirmation doesn't always mean that they are healthy.

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Let me see if I can make this clear - conformation and health have nothing to do with each other. They are two completely different things. Conformation is the underlying structure of the dog and the overall smoothness of the dog due to good underlying structure and good muscle mass. This mean structuratlly the dog will have a better chance of holding up for working.

By showing a dog you do learn a little about temperament as well. Is the dog sociable, is he confident enough to handle being in the ring around other dogs and strangers - It is not the ultimate temperament test by any means but is certainly more than a couch potato as these dogs above appear to be.

Health means the dog as passed certain rigerous health test, blood panels, X rays etc to show that there are no visible underlying problems.

I've known breeders(not dobermans) who have breed dogs with known health issues just because they "meet the standard" and would show well.
You know them personally??? or you have heard rumors??? Just to clarify speciafically what health issues??? I am just trying to understand.[/quote]
 
I really want to thank everyone for their responses. I have read each one twice and taken the info to heart. Sorry I didn't clarify in my original post that I am looking for a pet and will not show or breed any dogs. I do want my dog to be as healthy as possible and conforming to the breed standard. After rescuing senior dobermans, and having none of them live for very long, I wanted something that would be around for a few more years. Hence my search for a puppy. I have had many dogs in my life and by no means am I in a hurry. I have plenty of patience to do the research. Thanks to each of you again.
 
m1aman, if you provide a general area of the country where you're located, I'm sure several members on here can steer you toward reputable breeders who have had generations of success with health and longevity in their lines. Most breeders, even those who breed for show and sports, will have multiple pet quality puppies in each litter. Those puppies will be just as healthy, and stand just as much chance to live a very long life, as their working/showing littermates. I would definitely consider it. Never hurts to look around for a while. And the members on here, collectively, have years and years in the doberman fancy, and would never steer you wrong. Whatever you choose, I wish you luck, and I hope you find the perfect pup for you!!
 
Okay thanks for the tip. I live in NE Mississippi and wouldn't mind driving 200-250 miles to pick up a dog. My preference would be a red female that is about 1.5 years old or less. Just looking for a healthy pet and don't intend to show or breed. I live by myself in the country on 7.25 acres with a fishing pond. I have one outside mixed breed dog who is a very submissive female. The doberman would live inside with me and go everywhere with me that is possible. Visiting relatives and friends, riding in the truck, going fishing etc.
 
Don't forget that many good breeders offer to "ship" your puppy so you don't have to limit yourself to the immediate area unless you just prefer to do so. A good breeder I know of in your general area of the country is Larry Kye in Jacksonville, AR (http://ljkyedobermans.com/). He's a great guy, very helpful, and breeds wonderful Dobermans. My River-girl is a granddaughter of his Portia.
 
Well, I don't have any specific recommendations because I haven't dealt with any breeders yet, although I look all the time. Which type are you interested in, North American or Euro? For now you can take a look at the DPCA list but as with any breeders, go through your checklist of looking for health testing, titles etc. It's a good start to look from, but doesn't mean all breeders on this list are doing these things that you'll want. http://dpca.org/BreedRef/index.php
 
The pedigree reseach is a hard work but if you want a healthy dog please do it.
Unfortunately the longevity of our breed is not great. The average lifespan is 9. I know a few seniors who is 14 but that's not a common case. If you buy a puppy from BYB (backyard breeder) you take a risk to spend too much on vet bills. IF you buy from a good breeder it doesn't guarantee you a healthy dog...you need to check dam and sire health records and longevity in the line.

Good luck! :)
 
Okay thanks for the tip. I live in NE Mississippi and wouldn't mind driving 200-250 miles to pick up a dog. My preference would be a red female that is about 1.5 years old or less. Just looking for a healthy pet and don't intend to show or breed. I live by myself in the country on 7.25 acres with a fishing pond. I have one outside mixed breed dog who is a very submissive female. The doberman would live inside with me and go everywhere with me that is possible. Visiting relatives and friends, riding in the truck, going fishing etc.

Read more: http://www.doberman-chat.com/community/index.php?threads/anyone-have-any-experience-with-this-breeder.14139/page-2#ixzz1wTlu7awo

If you go to the DPCA web site under breeder referral you can research breeeder by state - I know Dobewan Dobermans and Southern Pride are in Mississipp - right now I can't think of anyone in TN.
 
I agree with everyone here...
I would also add that Mississippi is NOT known as a bastion of good breeders... contrarily it is known as a PUPPY MILL and a BYB state.. no offense to you Mississipians... its just that some states are worse than others for BYB and puppy mills.
What if any research did you do for adoption of a rescued dog? there are literally thousands of rescues available just about anywhere and everywhere and they come in all ages, sizes and colors and the average adoption fee from a bona fide Doberman rescue is less than $500 and they come spayed, or neutered, shots, health tested, vet checked, and temperament tested. In arizona we have an awesome rescue group and I know that they have had puppies as young as 6 months old and I have heard of a rescue in Las Vegas who got a pregnant female in and she had a litter of purebred (NON registered of course) puppies. It happens all the time....
Just MY 2 cents since you do not want to breed, show nor are you concerned with pedigree and or the like. Why not then just rescue a beautiful juvenile or young adult and save a life and in the process gain a fabulous PET and life long friend?
;)
 

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