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Why is raw feeding so hard for the neophyte to understand?

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Domestic dogs won't be able to produce in wildness. Artificial over natural selection...
A female dog goes in heat in any season. The breeding season for wolves is in the spring only.
Natural selection is adjustement to the environment... weak animals die.
Do you know what is wolf longivity?
 
Katja Henriksen said:
Wow Pitts. Those are some great pictures of a great looking dog. However, get that t-shirt off. HA HA HA
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Also Katja,
I am embarrassed to say, I actually dont own a dobermann T-shirt, I have many SchH shirts and police K9 shirts, but not a single shirt for the dobermann. Maybe some of those wonderful people out there in DC land will feel sorry for me and send me lots of Dobermann shirts, XXL please. LOL Just Kidding.
 
Ingrid H said:
OMG Katja! That looks more like a pomeranian than a squirrel! Glad you were able to pull the rodent out of her throat. You never know if a squirrel died of rat poison.
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Now that you say that, I did see a flyer for a missing Pomeranian. AHAHAHAH Just kidding.
Bailey found a fish the other day which baffled me.
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Pitts said:
Dreamvalley,
Thank you so much for the compliments to both me and my boy, and yes your correct, in your recollection, but actually it was four owners before me, two of them proffesional trainers, I am the fifth home for him, as those that had him before could not handle him, as he is a very dominant and what would be termed "hard" dog, and has over the top prey drive, the second owner let him go because as an adolescent he was killing their goats on the farm. He is great here, and has truly become a member of our family, he sleeps in my and my wifes room in his bed at the foot of ours, and once its light in the morning, he is allowed to get in our bed with us and the female dobe, and he does LOVE that. He is a very different dog than when we got him and has truly benefitted from working in SchH, and from being in our pack here at home.
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Great job Dale. It is so nice to hear a success story. Props to you. :D
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DreamValley said:
Domestic dogs won't be able to produce in wildness. Artificial over natural selection...
A female dog goes in heat in any season. The breeding season for wolves is in the spring only.
Natural selection is adjustement to the environment... weak animals die.
Do you know what is wolf longivity?
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I agree on this. We have mutated the wolf into the domestic dog. Look at some of the breeds we have produced, like the pug and the corgi and Dachshund. Those are in my opinion not very healthy dogs, but it suits the human to produce such freaks of nature. I also question how long the wolf lives in the wild compared to our domestic dog. What is the quality of their coat etc.? We know how wild dogs and cats look and it aint pretty. If we were to treat the dogs like in nature we should not worm them, give them any medicine or treat them for any diseases. Just a thought.

On another note, I am surprised about the RAW feeders having such a big problem with 'meat byproducts' when they themselves feed chicken carcasses and organs etc.
 
I actually give Buddy a mixture of RAW in the morning...(either pre made RAW FROM naTURES vARIETY or RMB) ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,and AIR DRIED RAW (from ziwi peak)http://www.ziwipeak.com/nzl/home.shtml... on top of kibble (canadae grain free) in the evening....Does the RAW take some preparation and time?..Yes it does...but I think it is definitely worth it. I have seen a change in Buddys overall appearance , energy and stamina in the month and half he has been on RAW. Why dont I go totally RAW? I think variety is the spice of life, why deny my dog it!!...also just in case something bad or unforseeable goes wrong with one of the methods I feed Buddy, I can fall back on the other!! (RECALLS)!...My last statement I like to make ...You have to do what is best not only for you , but for your dog!!!...as someone said earlier...its betrter to feed your dog a low end kibble (if you have to)..then have to give him to a shelter or abandon him!!....ok thats my story and I am sticking to it!!

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Pitts said:
Also Katja,
I am embarrassed to say, I actually dont own a dobermann T-shirt, I have many SchH shirts and police K9 shirts, but not a single shirt for the dobermann. Maybe some of those wonderful people out there in DC land will feel sorry for me and send me lots of Dobermann shirts, XXL please. LOL Just Kidding.
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Ok, people, I am still waiting for the Tshirts to start rolling in, just PM me for my mailing address. LOL
 
Dream Vally regarding this statement - it confused me???

(quote}Wolf longevity is 10-13. I was surprised when I found it.
Most likely not many survive to such age. The wildness is harsh. Weak animals die.{quote}

It is true that not many make it to older ages because nature is harsh. So what is the longevity based on if they dont' live that long??? For example if most are dead for one reason or another by the age of 7 and only a few make it beyond that they average age at best would be somewhere around 8 - If that were true since we have some Dobermans that have lived to 15 then that should be the average age based on the above.
 
Well that just goes to prove what I've said those line bred euro dogs pedigrees will walk all over top the american kimbertal pedigrees - and sometimes thats probably a good thing. He is a gorgeous dog - and thats soley due to his sire IMHO - thanks for sharing Nupe!
 
I read a lot about raw feeding and found a few studies I'd like to share. Most of them were found on Pubmed.com (a great place to find serious scientific studies about anything you can imagine)

Raw food diets in companion animals: A critical review
Evaluation of the risks of shedding S... [Zoonoses Public Health. 2008] - PubMed - NCBI
Intake of minerals, trace elements and vitamins in... [Br J Nutr. 2011] - PubMed - NCBI
Evaluation of bacterial and protozoal con... [J Am Vet Med Assoc. 2006] - PubMed - NCBI
Bacteriological evaluation of commercial canine and feline raw diets
In support of bones and raw food diets
Perceptions, practices, and consequences associated with foodborne pathogens and the feeding of raw meat to dogs

After reading all of those, I think raw feeding isn't the ''holy grail'' of dog nutrition like some would like it to be. I think we need more studies on the subject because for now, the evidence I've seen is simply not conclusive.
I hope no one will feel offended by this as those are the only scientific facts I could find on the subject
 
On the contrary there are many of us who feel as you do Maia-Dobe. Getting thbe right balance is very challenging to say the least. Plus you have the added worry of kidney and liver problems which is associated with feeding a totally raw diet.
 
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