Remy’s Scent Work Trials

remy

Active Member
I decided to start a separate thread for trials instead of using our training one.

Our first scent work trial yesterday was a success! We had a lot of fun too. I entered each of the elements twice. Remy qualified in 6/8 searches and even got placements in both interior searches by going 2nd & 3rd fastest. 10.93 seconds and 17.25 seconds were his times.

I was proud of him for not making a mess with the boxes! He nudged them a little with his head when he alerted, but none of the walking on, paw smashing, etc that he’s done in the past during training.

He got one NQ in buried and another in exterior. I wasn’t sure if we would Q at all in buried because he’s only trained it a few times, and only one time was the odor fully buried. Buried was also outside. The NQ in buried was what I’d call an “honest mistake”. He gave all his typical signs of an alert, but it wasn’t the correct container. The one with the odor was directly across from the one he alerted on, so he must have smelled enough to think that was the one. The judge had me take him to the correct container to smell it but he was honestly more interested in sniffing the grass around it lol.

The NQ in exterior was mostly on me. I’ll start by saying though that I didn’t really like the area they chose. It was close by or even the same area where they had dogs “staging” in the first trial for buried. Shouldn’t it have been an area that wasn’t accessible to people/dogs beforehand? It was just a tree and some stacked up logs. There was pee on the ground that he got distracted by a few times. I’m assuming this was from before when dogs were waiting in that area. Turns out he did actually locate the odor but he got distracted and went off of it. If he would have stayed there slightly longer (didn’t get distracted) I would have called alert there. When he became interested in a new area and stayed there I called “alert”. Then he ended up lifting his leg but thankfully I stopped him before he could actually mark there. I guess that’s why he was interested in that spot 🤦🏼‍♀️. My friend ran after us and her dog also got distracted by the same spot with pee and ended up going there too.

At this point I think the biggest thing we need to work on is just training more in new/public places. I was hoping to do this a lot more but only made it to Lowe’s once to train… He spent some time at the beginning of most searches just being excited and running around, then when he finally got to work he found the odor each time in seconds. He was “worse” with this during the outside searches. The judges said he was fun to watch lol.

We’ll likely do another trial at the end of November! This one will also offer all elements and has two trials in a day. He should be able to finish his SIN and SCN, possibly the others if he is able to Q both times!

I shortened the videos a bit so they are mostly just the alerts. These were his 6 qualifying searches.

This is the NQ in exterior. The spot on the ground was the pee odor. The logs he sniffed was the correct spot, but he wasn’t there long enough for me to be confident in calling it.

False alert in buried. He had change of behavior (head snap) and stuck with it, just not the source of odor lol.

IMG_2395.webp
He kept wanting to look at people during his first exterior search lol.
IMG_6809.webp
Waiting for our next turn. IMG_6816.webpIMG_6826.webp
 
Such a great job with Remy! Big round of applause for you - haha, I knew you guys would be fine.

Your videos are almost too short - I'm not sure what his alert is? just staying pointed at it, or does he lift his head to make eye contact? Doesn't really matter, since you obviously know - I'm just curious. GREAT JOB!
 
Such a great job with Remy! Big round of applause for you - haha, I knew you guys would be fine.
Thank you!
Your videos are almost too short - I'm not sure what his alert is? just staying pointed at it, or does he lift his head to make eye contact? Doesn't really matter, since you obviously know - I'm just curious. GREAT JOB!
Sorry, I made that video for FB and tried to keep it short as possible since the majority of my friends there don’t know anything about scent work lol.

Here’s the full video from one of his interior searches that hopefully shows his alert better. Although it was technically a false alert, the NQ in buried video is a good example too. I’m not sure if I should call it a nose hold since he isn’t as “sticky” as some dogs, but essentially he will stay on or close to the odor. Now he’ll typically only turn to look at me after I mark “yes”, but I think sometimes he’ll get impatient and do that shortly after finding the odor (like he did when we were first starting out).

At home we trained with the boxes just folded over itself and he’ll stick his nose right into it. Since he couldn’t do that with the boxes at the trial he pushed it around a little with his nose.

 
but he was honestly more interested in sniffing the grass around it lol.
Likely there was odor pooling around the container on the ground. For some reason I've heard buried does that.

I'm not sure what his alert is?
I believe AKC does not require a defined alert but rather a change in behavior in order for you to call alert.

He and you both did great for your first trial, 6 Qs is nothing to sneeze at!! I wish my bank account could afford all the elements at one trial :rofl: Trials are great though for finding out where you are at in your training. I'm always eager after a trial to go home and work on our holes to improve ourselves. :D

I’m not sure if I should call it a nose hold since he isn’t as “sticky” as some dogs
You probably could go back to just a single open box and build duration for that nose hold before marking and rewarding. 1 second... 2 second... 3 and so on. Also you can work on adding distance and movement. Nose in box, yes and toss treats in box... back up, he stays in box, yes, toss treats in box, back up and move around him, mark yes and toss treats in box etc. Eventually being able to go wherever you want and he gets rewarded for staying at source. If you haven't I would start using an "all done" command when that hide is dead. This will help a ton with the stickiness! He'll also know clearly when that hide is dead/no longer rewarding for when you get to multiple hides.

Another different exercise (besides practicing in as many new places) I would go ahead and start introducing toy/food distraction. One or the other. This will help with him learning what his job is when you tell him to search, no matter the distractions! And you'll come across that in the next levels so may as well train ahead of where you are at for trial.
 
I believe AKC does not require a defined alert but rather a change in behavior in order for you to call alert.
Oh, for sure. Since the videos were so short I couldn't see what he was doing compared to searching.

You probably could go back to just a single open box and build duration for that nose hold before marking and rewarding. 1 second... 2 second... 3 and so on. Also you can work on adding distance and movement. Nose in box, yes and toss treats in box... back up, he stays in box, yes, toss treats in box, back up and move around him, mark yes and toss treats in box etc. Eventually being able to go wherever you want and he gets rewarded for staying at source. If you haven't I would start using an "all done" command when that hide is dead. This will help a ton with the stickiness! He'll also know clearly when that hide is dead/no longer rewarding for when you get to multiple hides.
This makes for a really good training session, I've done this especially on bad weather days. The house really runs out of hiding places after several years and this goes back to basics, involves lots of treats and happy dogs!

I would go ahead and start introducing toy/food distraction. One or the other. This will help with him learning what his job is when you tell him to search, no matter the distractions! And you'll come across that in the next levels so may as well train ahead of where you are at for trial.
All true! And if you go to a dog friendly park where you KNOW there will be pee, always know where your hide is and if he starts sniffing pee you can remind him that is not in the agenda and repeat your search command. Be sure to set your hides where there cannot be pee - such as on top of a park bench, or underneath a table. When searching odor and they know they aren't at source, they usually move around trying to follow it. With pee they generally are slower, in more of a "investigative" deep nose, more private if you can picture that. Like a kid reading a private note in class trying not to let the teacher see that they are no longer listening to them.
 
You two are doing an awesome job!
Thank you!
Likely there was odor pooling around the container on the ground. For some reason I've heard buried does that.
Oh, that’s interesting! I bet that’s why because he sniffed all around the container on the ground, but never lifted his head to sniff the top. I need to learn more about scent theory stuff, especially before we get to higher levels.
I believe AKC does not require a defined alert but rather a change in behavior in order for you to call alert.
During the briefing one of the judges basically said you can call alert even if the dog isn’t on the odor. I haven’t heard of this and assumed you would need to call it when they’re there? She used the example of doing a container search and running out of time, say you were at the end of the row and are pretty sure it was the second container, then you could call that one. How would that work? “Alert on the second container on the left?” Lol.
He and you both did great for your first trial, 6 Qs is nothing to sneeze at!! I wish my bank account could afford all the elements at one trial :rofl:
Thank you! Trust me when I say Remy takes up all of my money 🤣 It’s okay though because it’s given me something to do.
Trials are great though for finding out where you are at in your training. I'm always eager after a trial to go home and work on our holes to improve ourselves. :D
I agree! There’s really no way to get the experience other by just doing it, in any sport really.
You probably could go back to just a single open box and build duration for that nose hold before marking and rewarding. 1 second... 2 second... 3 and so on. Also you can work on adding distance and movement. Nose in box, yes and toss treats in box... back up, he stays in box, yes, toss treats in box, back up and move around him, mark yes and toss treats in box etc.
I tried this today but used anise to help imprint that at the same time (we’ve done cocktail odor twice but not anise on its own yet). He does okay with staying in the box but gets whiny after a few seconds. I’m sure that will improve the more we work on it, I think he just gets impatient lol.
Another different exercise (besides practicing in as many new places) I would go ahead and start introducing toy/food distraction. One or the other. This will help with him learning what his job is when you tell him to search, no matter the distractions! And you'll come across that in the next levels so may as well train ahead of where you are at for trial.
Good idea! I’ve heard a lot of people say to train above the level you’re trialing at, so I’m going to start doing that too. If he Q’s in interior & containers at the next trial I’ll probably move him up to advanced. Even if he’s not 100% ready I’d rather give it a go instead of do novice again since we’ll be there anyways. I think the excellent titles are sort of a waste of money, at least at the novice level. I can see doing more Q’s in advanced or higher levels before moving up to the next though.
The house really runs out of hiding places after several years and this goes back to basics, involves lots of treats and happy dogs!
We haven’t even been training that long and sometimes I already feel out of ideas for new hide locations 😂
And if you go to a dog friendly park where you KNOW there will be pee, always know where your hide is and if he starts sniffing pee you can remind him that is not in the agenda and repeat your search command.
Yes, definitely something we need to work on more! Especially because I don’t think you’re technically allowed to pull them off of it in trial. At least in his exterior search he eventually left it unlike the barn hunt trial lol.
With pee they generally are slower, in more of a "investigative" deep nose, more private if you can picture that. Like a kid reading a private note in class trying not to let the teacher see that they are no longer listening to them.
I get what you mean! I can generally tell when it’s pee because he’ll literally become frozen then act dazed when I pull him off of it. 🤦🏼‍♀️
 
because I don’t think you’re technically allowed to pull them off of it in trial.
If you can tell he's crittering (smelling other dog pee/rabbit poop etc.) or a distraction like a toy (those will be coming up!) you can say "leave it", or "let's go". And when you have more than one hide if he goes back to one he already found and alerts again I say "good girl, you found that one already, go find another". So when they say you aren't allowed to pull them off, it doesn't mean you can't correct with some words, especially when you are sure it's not odor! That's why I suggest using a park where you know dog pee will be around but you've put your hide where it can't possibly be very close to it. For example, that gives him an opportunity to sniff a tree trunk where dogs have marked and the hide is on a park bench 5 feet away, you know he is not sourcing odor when he studies the tree trunk so that's your chance to say "Nope, go search!" and a leash pop if needed. If you do this often enough in training then he will understand that when searching odor all crittering is off the table.

When we first started out we went to lots of parks around town and I made terrible mistakes of putting hides on the sides of trash cans or wedged in tree bark right where dogs had marked. I didn't think about dog pee since it wasn't visible. :anonymous : The dogs knew not to alert on dog pee so even though they acted very interested in the area they wouldn't alert. Took me a while to realize why and what I'd done wrong. Now I only use outdoor areas carefully placing hides where even a tall dog can't have marked! Low hides go in sidewalk cracks where it would be highly unlikely.
 
We went to a scent work trial this morning! Remy needed 1 more Q in Interior and Containers and 2 more Q’s in Buried and Exterior. I entered each element twice and figured he would earn his SIN and SCN today. He did phenomenal and earned much more than that! He finished the Q’s needed for each element, earning a title for each of the 4, which then finished his overall Scent Work Novice (SWN) title! Not only that, but he had multiple placements and even went HIGH IN TRIAL! I couldn’t believe it! I was even more impressed that he placed 1st and 2nd in his exterior searches! As you guys know, he gets very interested in other smells (especially pee) so I wasn’t even sure if he’d Q. They warned me a dog had peed right before us so I was nervous after hearing that. Right after I called alert I took him away from the search area just to be safe lol.

Placements:
1st: Exterior - 11.35 seconds
1st: Interior - 10.75 seconds
2nd: Exterior - 6.69 seconds
2nd: Buried - 18.25 seconds
2nd: Interior - 20.94 seconds
4th: Buried - 19.68 seconds

In his first container search I was dumb and called alert way too soon lol. He was not focused yet (very amped up from being in the car nearly 3 hours) and I called alert as soon as he was semi interested in a box. I don’t know why, I guess I was nervous. Literally right after I said it he went to the correct box which was right next to it. Oh well, he only needed 1 Q anyways! After that I took my time before calling anything.

This was this club’s second scent work trial, both held at the same community collage. I really loved how it was ran and the location! I’m hoping they’ll hold one again here. Bonus that it’s close enough I can drive there and not have to spend the night.

We’ve done a little training for Advanced but I’m not rushing into trialing for it yet. I’m thinking maybe this spring we will give it a go. For now we’ll keep training and having fun!
IMG_8136.webp
Ribbons all laid out at home lol. I think it’s time to start displaying them!
IMG_8140.webp
Cute little goodie bags the club gave to everyone. The pumpkin cookie is a dog treat. IMG_8139.webp
 
That's so impressive of both of you! :congrats:
In his first container search I was dumb and called alert way too soon lol. He was not focused yet (very amped up from being in the car nearly 3 hours) and I called alert as soon as he was semi interested in a box.
That's my biggest concern too not calling at the right time. I'm still on a waiting list for a nosework course but they're extremely backed up so I don't know when that will happen.
 
Extremely well done, Team Remi!!! You'll have fun in Advanced too!

I'm still on a waiting list for a nosework course but they're extremely backed up so I don't know when that will happen.
You can do so much on your own at home, and Dobermans love this game, even if you don't trial it's worth it. I'm sure you can find a basic introductory online so you don't have to wait for classes at home.
 
Wow, awesome job!!! :congrats:
Very well done! You really do need a display wall! 🤩
That's so impressive of both of you! :congrats:
Extremely well done, Team Remi!!! You'll have fun in Advanced too!
Thank you so much! ❤️
You can do so much on your own at home, and Dobermans love this game, even if you don't trial it's worth it. I'm sure you can find a basic introductory online so you don't have to wait for classes at home.
@JanS you can definitely learn a lot at home! Remy and I never took an in-person class. I’m sure at times it would have been nice to get feedback in real-time, but you can always post here or on FB groups for advice. I took NW101 through Fenzi and that is enrolling again now, the class starts on December 1st. The instructor rotates each “term” so I’m not sure if it’s the same person, but I’m sure the material is basically the same. It was $65 and there is a FB group with a teaching assistant that you can post videos for feedback and ask questions to. The TA was very detailed in her responses to people. I didn’t utilize that as much as I should have lol.

If you know people who are already doing scent work, you can see if they are interested in doing some training sessions together. I know some people local to me have done some drop-in lessons with someone who is a scent work judge. They were meeting weekly but haven’t done it for awhile so I haven’t been able to go yet.
 
If you know people who are already doing scent work, you can see if they are interested in doing some training sessions together. I know some people local to me have done some drop-in lessons with someone who is a scent work judge.
That would be nice but the member of our club who is a nose work judge lives too far away to make the trip over here. I asked them about a nose work workshop but they can't find an instructor. I agree that training at home is a good start but I want to get her out in the actual environment with other dogs too.
 
That would be nice but the member of our club who is a nose work judge lives too far away to make the trip over here. I asked them about a nose work workshop but they can't find an instructor. I agree that training at home is a good start but I want to get her out in the actual environment with other dogs too.
Gotta start somewhere! At least if you do the online class at home she'll be more than ready for in person classes when you can get in. And, you don't need a scent work judge to get together with other people in your club to practice some sniffs together, say at a local park. Cool thing about nosework is that the environment is...anywhere in the real world! Not like it has to be a ring setting. Its very easy to show up somehwere and hide some odor with very minimal to zero gear needing hauled. What do you have to lose? Go for it!! You both won't regret trying new things together. :)
 

Back
Top