Protective response: animal vs human

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If I mentally “free” Freyja from all expectations of manners/discipline, I will often see her hackle up and stomp around when she sees another animal- when we are outside in the yard or at a park. It makes me wonder sometimes if this protective response is an instinct that goes back to the beginning days of the man/dog. The relationship forged for protection in the wild- man sleeping outside and dog protection from wolves, coyotes, bears, mtn lions, etc… like @jazzies mum in the Aussie Outback.

I most definitely see a more significant reaction to animals vs humans…is this because she is more socialized to humans and does not perceive a threat? But at the same time she has met hundreds of dogs also. We have three cats in house but she absolutely hates other cats outside…

I really never thought she would go primal and fight another dog. But I recently saw the demon come from her. Teeth barred, snarling, jumping high in the air- rolled about three times and pinned another dog. The only other time she unexpectedly surprised me was at Tractor Supply. A young, tall black male came around the corner right at us, 5ft away kinda fast. He had these huge thick dreadlocks. Freyja went off like you see in protection training session. She was loud, ferocious and was doing everything to keep him at distance.

Sometime she tries to tear the door down vs the Amazon person and sometimes she sits and watches with zero interest.



I know the dog fight was probably resource guarding and the defensive reaction to the human was probably a fear response, but still….Freyja went into a ferocious state like I’ve never seen in her and appears very capable.

So I tend to question, to wonder…if I would have never expected her to get into the dog fight, to become highly defensive to the Tractor Supply guy….then I wonder how she would react to a stranger breaking in or someone out on the street doing harm to me?

What are your thoughts? Post your stories also.

I know @JanS and @BG1 have stories to share.
 
I tend to question, to wonder…if I would have never expected her to get into the dog fight, to become highly defensive to the Tractor Supply guy….then I wonder how she would react to a stranger breaking in or someone out on the street doing harm to me?
I have a feeling all of our Dobermans natural defenses would kick in, in either situation. They are bred to defend us and our homes, even though they are the sweetest things on earth otherwise.
 
If I mentally “free” Freyja from all expectations of manners/discipline, I will often see her hackle up and stomp around when she sees another animal- when we are outside in the yard or at a park. It makes me wonder sometimes if this protective response is an instinct that goes back to the beginning days of the man/dog. The relationship forged for protection in the wild- man sleeping outside and dog protection from wolves, coyotes, bears, mtn lions, etc… like @jazzies mum in the Aussie Outback.

I most definitely see a more significant reaction to animals vs humans…is this because she is more socialized to humans and does not perceive a threat? But at the same time she has met hundreds of dogs also. We have three cats in house but she absolutely hates other cats outside…

I really never thought she would go primal and fight another dog. But I recently saw the demon come from her. Teeth barred, snarling, jumping high in the air- rolled about three times and pinned another dog. The only other time she unexpectedly surprised me was at Tractor Supply. A young, tall black male came around the corner right at us, 5ft away kinda fast. He had these huge thick dreadlocks. Freyja went off like you see in protection training session. She was loud, ferocious and was doing everything to keep him at distance.

Sometime she tries to tear the door down vs the Amazon person and sometimes she sits and watches with zero interest.



I know the dog fight was probably resource guarding and the defensive reaction to the human was probably a fear response, but still….Freyja went into a ferocious state like I’ve never seen in her and appears very capable.

So I tend to question, to wonder…if I would have never expected her to get into the dog fight, to become highly defensive to the Tractor Supply guy….then I wonder how she would react to a stranger breaking in or someone out on the street doing harm to me?

What are your thoughts? Post your stories also.

I know @JanS and @BG1 have stories to share.
I like to read on dogs including their origins back to diverging as a species from wolves, and its fun to speculate on what would emerge in any dog when confronted with a primal threat to family/pack.

I've been surprised at the unexpected ferociousness in my dogs in past, a couple of examples completely unexpected, first by a purebred and social Springer vs GSD aggressing on us kids, another a shy rescue border cross with three legs vs pitbull charging.

These dogs reacted without hesitation in the face of a theoretically more dangerous breed to protect me - both dogs suddenly (and completely a surprise to me
opening a can of whupazz that resulted in in a brief flying ball of fur and snapping teeth, with the other running off tail tucked...

I had a female dobe 30 years ago that was so easy and mellow I can't offer much as to any brag or knowledge as to "my expertise on training" etc

But one time while I was at work and the wife was home, someone opened the front door downstairs and invited themselves in, "a hot prowl" is the current term...

and that mellow sweet girl launched from the couch, down the stairs, out the front door and down the street, reportedly dissecting chunks of gluteus maximus on the run with bad guy screaming in terror...

I can only imagine the sight of a full on angry dobe launching at one from a height above in a ferocious defense of its pack...

Poor feller probly needs therapy now...

I have no doubt if the need arose that our current dobe girl would do same. Its primal.
 
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We had two instances with 2 different dobes we have had over the years....I am pretty sure I may have posted this on here somewhere else, but since you asked for stories... :) Our first dobe was the type that only loved his family, and people who were at our home often. We had a 6ft privacy fence, and our neighbor's kid lost their badmitton birdie over our fence....their dad just let himself into our backyard, and was on his way to the gate when I unknowingly let "Maximus" out....this dog jumped from the step outside the sliding glass door about 100ft and landed right in front of this man, scooped butt, with a ferocious non stop barking - I am pretty sure this neighbor wet himself 🤣 as I yelled to him "Don't move!" and called the dog back to me. Had to give the neighbor a talking to about ringing the doorbell if anything ever goes over the fence again. And after that; any toy that ended up in our yard was not retrieved....and would be tossed over by me.

The other story, is a female we had who was friendly with strangers, and people....I had been walking in a wooded area with her on leash, when all of a sudden she spun around and barked like I had never heard her bark before....I turned to see a hispanic boy (who I recognized from the grocery store we were behind) frozen in his tracks. I am certain he was not meaning any harm; probably just walking to work....but he never moved, and I did not speak to him, just proceeded forward off the path. Amd when I say spun around, she did not leave my side...it was as if she jumped up, and turned, so she was right up against my thigh, but facing backwards at this boy. I was pretty impressed with her!
 
Jazz loved people as a rule with just a couple she showed wariness around.

However...........we were once sitting in the car, Jazz in back with the window down and me in front distracted by the phone also with the window down. A young man came up without me noticing and spoke. I startled and Jazz immediately lunged and roared at him. Very impressive and he went from beside the car to 10ft away in one leap! 😁
 
The only other time she unexpectedly surprised me was at Tractor Supply. A young, tall black male came around the corner right at us, 5ft away kinda fast. He had these huge thick dreadlocks. Freyja went off like you see in protection training session. She was loud, ferocious and was doing everything to keep him at distance.
I'm sure you recall all the Asha-stories her first couple of years. Since she repeated this so often and I was learning how to deal with it/correct it, the most common issue was eye contact. The guy comes around the corner, he wasn't expecting to see a Doberman, he was already in full stride going fast, Freyja startles (in her brain, probably not visibly), the man startles, they make eye contact- even briefly - and in Ashas case that right there would blow her up. If he'd been down the aisle, stocking the shelf she might have given him a wary look because he looked different, but minding his own business stocking the shelf, carefully making things line up on the shelf, body turned sideways away from her... even if he glanced at her as you came toward him, then quickly looked back to the shelf, I'd bet she would not have been defensive. What I'm saying is if in a split second something or someone looks like a threat, the dog will react accordingly. If nothing is a threat but dogs are shy or wary of ANYthing new or unfamiliar that can set them off as well. But with Freyjas good upbringing, I think her instincts came forward. Good on her, especially if you were able to get her quickly under control and she regained her composure without a big deal.

Asha did this at two judges in nose work where we were waiting our turn. The door to the room with the hide was closed so we couldn't watch the dog in front of us go. They exited another door, then the judge swings our door open and had a big booming voice "NEXT!" - Asha blew up at her like she was the devil himself. :bag: :rolleyes:🤣 And all she has on is her flimsy nylon nose work harness with a skinny 1/4" wide string leash I use for NW. I kinda picked her up off her front feet with it, while apologizing profusely and she did settle right down, we got to the start line, she did her work brilliantly and Q'd. The judge brushed it off, wasn't intimidated, completely ignored her as we went by her to the start line, which always helps. Because set ups in nose work have to be out of sight from those waiting their turn, this happened again at another trial pretty much the same. The surprise element definitely is a trigger, then combined with the "coming at you" body language of the person: full frontal, moving, locking eyes for an instant - That's actually the "boogy man" test in the WAE and the response they expect from the Doberman breed!
 
If I mentally “free” Freyja from all expectations of manners/discipline, I will often see her hackle up and stomp around when she sees another animal- when we are outside in the yard or at a park. It makes me wonder sometimes if this protective response is an instinct that goes back to the beginning days of the man/dog.

Do you have a sense of why Freyia does this? Is it just the sight of another dog, or is that other dog exhibiting a behavior that causes Freyia some concern and, thus, the protective response?


The only other time she unexpectedly surprised me was at Tractor Supply. A young, tall black male came around the corner right at us, 5ft away kinda fast. He had these huge thick dreadlocks. Freyja went off like you see in protection training session. She was loud, ferocious and was doing everything to keep him at distance.

This is a bit more complicated. Was it the fact that the gentleman was black (with dreds), or that he was approaching you at such short a distance? Would she have responded similarly if the gentleman was of a different look or ethnicity?

The only real thing that would trigger Mr. Spock would be hearing the doorbell ring. That would definitely set him off. So much so, that the gas meter reader would refuse to enter the house to read the meter (which, of course, was in a closet in the lower kitchen where Mr. Spock lived (it was a Mother/Daughter set up). Eventually, they installed an "outdoor" remote reader so he'd not have to go inside. The water meter followed suit. I loved on the gas reader's record book had on it in big black letters, "DOBERMAN!"
 
Was it the fact that the gentleman was black (with dreds),
Our dogs are fine with black people but the dreds might set them off when they aren't used to it, like a hat might. It's sort of like Phoebe was with poodles with the big floofy" hair. She was fine with dreadlocked Poodles but those big floofy show grooms were her bane.
 
Our dogs are fine with black people but the dreds might set them off when they aren't used to it, like a hat might. It's sort of like Phoebe was with poodles with the big floofy" hair. She was fine with dreadlocked Poodles but those big floofy show grooms were her bane.

Understood. God forbid Phoebe had to deal with a "Puli."

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Do you have a sense of why Freyia does this? Is it just the sight of another dog, or is that other dog exhibiting a behavior that causes Freyia some concern and, thus, the protective response?
It is the sight of any other animal really- dog, cat, rabbit, squirrel, etc… she’s funny though, if she knows that I expect good behavior, she will not hackle up. She will look at me to see if I will let her free. If I do not, then she will usually come sit close to me.

This is a bit more complicated. Was it the fact that the gentleman was black (with dreds), or that he was approaching you at such short a distance? Would she have responded similarly if the gentleman was of a different look or ethnicity?
Most definitely the thick dreds.
The black folk down here absolutely love her and I will often free her so they can pet her. They usually light up with grand stories of owning a Doberman and appreciate her being trained in Cajun French.
 
It is the sight of any other animal really- dog, cat, rabbit, squirrel, etc… she’s funny though, if she knows that I expect good behavior, she will not hackle up. She will look at me to see if I will let her free. If I do not, then she will usually come sit close to me.


Most definitely the thick dreds.
The black folk down here absolutely love her and I will often free her so they can pet her. They usually light up with grand stories of owning a Doberman and appreciate her being trained in Cajun French.

"Cajun French?" Wow.... I thought I was doing well wanting to train my (potential) dobie in German.

Unfortunately, my most recent understanding of Cajun French comes from watching old episodes of "Swamp People." Probably an unfair judgement as I don't even know how accurate/realistic those accents were and how often one actually hears them, these days. I did a few on-line tutoring gigs with LA students and in no case did I hear any resemblance of "Cajun French." Not even a LA Southern Drawl. It was all "perfect" English coming from 3-5th graders. Then again, I've heard that LA school authorities are discouraging the teaching and speaking of Cajun French. Regular French (from France) is OK when studied as a foreign language, but not Cajun French. Not sure if I like that. It's the same as the "Gulllah" dialect of South Carolina that is fading away, rapidly. A shame, really.
 
And up in this area many people know French Canadian. I'm not one of them but some of the truckers who came in at work used it.
 
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And up in this area many people know French Canadian. I'm not one of them but some of the truckers who came in at work used it.

The origin of the term being the region of Canada known as "Acadia." It is mostly in the New Brunswick area, east of Quebec but also includes Nova Scotia, Prince Edward Island and even a small slice of Maine in the US. French was spoken there. When the "Acadians" moved South (primarily to Louisiana), I guess they shortened the name to "Cajuns"
 
The origin of the term being the region of Canada known as "Acadia." It is mostly in the New Brunswick area, east of Quebec but also includes Nova Scotia, Prince Edward Island and even a small slice of Maine in the US. French was spoken there. When the "Acadians" moved South (primarily to Louisiana), I guess they shortened the name to "Cajuns"
That's interesting and something I didn't know.
 
My favorite protection story...

Honestly I was scared to death for differnt reasons during this event. What I learned is TRUST your dog(s). :)
 

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