FROMM dog food information

[Ddski5]

I emailed FROMM asking:
1. If they recommended FROMM Four Star recipe for Dobermans.
They have a couple of different recipes with different proteins that I am looking at.
2. What is the difference between FROMM adult gold and FROMM Ancient Grains.
3. Asked what were their thoughts on “grain free” foods in relation to DCM.

I emailed at 10am and had a response by 2:00pm.

Thank you for reaching out to Fromm Family Foods. I will respond to both emails here, to keep information together and condensed.

I would recommend the Four Star recipes for active adult Dobermans. Some of them container a higher amount of protein and/or fat than the Adult Gold, which may work in their favor depending how high their activity level is. They are all life stages recipes, meaning they meet AAFCO's requirements to be nutritionally complete for puppies adult and seniors of all sizes. The following recipes are around or above the same protein and fat content of the Adult Gold but offer different proteins and additional vegetables & fruits.

Four Star Duck A La Veg: A specially prepared entrée with duck, sweet potatoes, and an assortment of fruits & vegetables.

Duck À La Veg Recipe

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Daily Feeding Recommendations: Daily Feeding Recommendations
Typical Analysis: Typical Analysis

Four Star Highlander Beef, Oats, 'n Barley: A Scottish-inspired entree specially prepared with beef, whole oats, wheat barley, and an assortment of fruits and vegetables.

Highlander Beef, Oats, 'n Barley Recipe

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Typical Analysis: Typical Analysis

Four Star Trout & Whitefish: A specially prepared entrée with trout, whitefish, whole barley, whole oats, and an assortment of fruits & vegetables.

Trout & Whitefish Recipe

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Typical Analysis: Typical Analysis

Four Star Zealambder: A New Zealand-inspired entrée, specially prepared with lamb, whole oats, whole barley, and an assortment of fruits & vegetables.

Zealambder Recipe

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Typical Analysis: Typical Analysis

Here at Fromm listen to what science has presented us in relation to DCM. As of the latest study release there has not been a conclusive link found between those ingredients found in grain free recipes and DCM, nor has their been any other link to DCM found aside from potential genetic influences. The FDA noted that many of the dogs affected by DCM were being fed grain-free diets, particularly those with peas and lentils. Yet, the FDA and others working on DCM have not been able to determine that a grain-free diet causes DCM. In fact, many dogs consume grain-free diets including peas and lentils and never develop DCM.

That said, ultimately, Fromm recommends feeding a food with grains as we do know grains provide nutrients that can help support the heart and cardiovascular system, especially to Dobermans and Golden Retrievers who were developing more cases of DCM compared to other breeds prior to the grain free pet food fad. Ultimately the decision is up to you and what you feel is best for your Dobies based off of the below information provided by the DCM study.

You can read the FDA Summary Report at:
FDA Investigates Potential Link Between Diet & Heart Disease in Dogs

You can read the Complete FDA Document at:
https://www.fda.gov/media/128303/download

You can read the FDA Questions & Answers at:
Q&A: Possible Link Between Diet & Canine Heart Disease

As for the specific differences between the Adult Gold and the Ancient Grains Adult is partly the nutrient balance between the two recipes. I will provide the links so you can view these differences in PDF form. The primary ingredients difference between the two recipe are the grains used. Each grain offers individual benefits and some people believe ancient grains are healthier/better for you. We do not used any wheat or soy or corn in our recipes.

Adult Gold: oats, barley, rice
https://cdn.frommfamily.com/media/1090/f2349_211520_dog-dry-gold-adult.pdf
Ancient Grain Adult: sorghum, barley, oats, buckwheat, spelt, millet, quinoa
https://cdn.frommfamily.com/media/1090/f2349_211520_dog-dry-gold-adult.pdf

If you have any other questions please do not hesitate to reach back out. I am in the office for about another hour (3:30pm Central Time) and then will not be back in the office until Monday morning so I apologize if there is any delay in a response. Have a safe holiday weekend and enjoy your evening!

Thank you and take care,
Erica
www.frommfamily.com
[email protected]

 

[Ddski5]

-Adult Gold 30lb bag- $61.99
-Ancient Gold Adult Dry Dog Food 15lb bag- $32.19
-Four Star Chicken A La Veg Dry Dog Food 26lb bag- $62.51
-Four Star Salmon A La Veg Dry Dog Food 26lb bag- $71.10
-Four Star Duck A La Veg Dry Dog Food 26lb bag- $67.35
-Four Star Nutritionals Trout & Whitefish Recipe Dog Food 26lb bag- $71.10
-Four Star Whitefish & Potato Dry dog food 26lb bag $67.51
-Four Star Highlander Beef, Oats, 'n Barley Recipe Dry Dog Food 26lb bag $95.92
-Four Star Zealambder Recipe Dry Dog Food 26lb. $95.92

Yes….FROMM may be considered pretty pricey but my two do very well with it. I currently feed Adult Gold. Minimal size poops 1-2 times a day.

 

[Ddski5]

Hahaha.
No, I am not a FROMM rep.
I only posted the prices so folks wouldn’t have to go back and forth looking, at least here they are all in one place.

 

[Ravenbird]

Nice of you to report this @Ddski5.

Just yesterday I saw a post by someone on FB who had a Doberman show beginning signs of DCM via Echo, started her on a heart medication, she was feeding a diet of 1/3 Orijen grain free kibble and didn't say what the other 2/3 was, I kinda assumed it was raw, but I didn't ask. Anyway that was 2 1/2 years ago, the dog never progressed, and in fact disappeared. She stopped the medication and latest Echo & Holter shows no signs of DCM at all. She said that all she changed, besides giving the prescribed med was she dropped the grain free kibble for a rice based one and added a greater variety of proteins and added fish oil and taurine supplements. She is pretty sure it was a food-based beginning of DCM and changing diet was the cure. It is well known that hereditary DCM cannot be cured, just managed.

I'm not exactly sure what causes the diet based DCM, but there were just WAY too many breeds getting it that were fed grain free diets that don't normally have heart disease and at young ages. Because of that I won't let peas or lentils or related "grain free" proteins be part of my dogs diet.

I may go back and find the post on FB and message the gal and ask if I can share her post. And also if she can share the medical records that show development on the Echo and the absence of it with the science community.

 

[JanS]

I had Albert on Fromm Gold when he was a pup and he did well on it. Della was already getting TOTW so I gradually switched him to that so we didn't have 2 different big bags sitting around and he did well on it for the rest of his life.