Doberman vs. Homeowner's Insurance Co's.

Update: I found a web article with some up to date info on Insurance companies and whether or not they have a "Dangerous Breed" policy/list. Now, I need to cross check and see whether or not those without a list will underwrite in FL. Here's, now, where I think the "roof issue" will come in to play. So I think that will be the first major housing project instead of replacing the HVAC.


And here's another article with some very interesting graphics about how often various dogs are banned by insurance companies. Very interesting.

Ah well. I have to hope it (repaired HVAC) lasts....
 
Update: I found a web article with some up to date info on Insurance companies and whether or not they have a "Dangerous Breed" policy/list. Now, I need to cross check and see whether or not those without a list will underwrite in FL. Here's, now, where I think the "roof issue" will come in to play. So I think that will be the first major housing project instead of replacing the HVAC.


And here's another article with some very interesting graphics about how often various dogs are banned by insurance companies. Very interesting.

Ah well. I have to hope it (repaired HVAC) lasts....
I know we could start another thread decrying breed bans and pointing out flaws in their logic, but: Some of those have long baffled me. The Husky always seems high up on lists. The Mastiff? Like the docile, steady English Mastiff? If you don't put another word in its name, you have to assume E.M. The Canary Dog (Presa Canario) is way up high on the list. Its peers are way lower, and the Fila Brasiliero doesn't appear. Seems to me the Canary Dog was made infamous by two of them killing that woman in the hallway of their apartment building in San Francisco years ago. I could go on.
 
I know that State Farm doesn't have breed restrictions, but unfortunately depending on where you live, they are not and have not written home owner's policies in Louisiana for years. I have home owners through a subsidiary of Farm Bureau. They are not particular about the breed, so long as they don't have a bite record.
 
I know that State Farm doesn't have breed restrictions, but unfortunately depending on where you live, they are not and have not written home owner's policies in Louisiana for years. I have home owners through a subsidiary of Farm Bureau. They are not particular about the breed, so long as they don't have a bite record.

For a few years, I had thought that State Farm had stopped writing policies in FL. I just happened to call a FL based State Farm agent who told me they actually still do underwrite in certain places in FL. So, I had her check my address with the underwriters and, apparently, they had no issues with the address/location. But the only way we'd be able to find out why I was cancelled before (in 2016) was to have me quoted again. So I will go through the process and see what happens. No big loss if they deny it again, I can still renew with my current co. and start looking towards fixing the roof so I can get other companies open to me.
 
Another Update: PROBLEM SOLVED! :party:

The State Farm agent I referenced above came back with a reasonable quote, as well as a monthly payment option!!! Woo Hoo!
And, they told me my roofing is OK. They are only concerned with roofing older than 2001 (mine was 2003). So that is no longer an issue!

One step closer to a dobie. Now I have to get the back yard properly fenced off and tightened up. Then I have to look at what Financing I need and the equipment I need for it and plan that out a bit more.

BUT YAY!!!!!!!!!!
 
I'm glad things are working out! We've never had any trouble with North Star Mutual and they know we have Dobermans but I don't think they go that far south.
 
Another update.... I received the "binder" from State Farm on Friday. So we are good to go with them. Now, I have to cancel my former company. I don't know why, but they want me to send a copy of the "declarations page" of the State Farm policy to them, in order to cancel their policy. I'm not so sure about that. I wouldn't want them contacting State Farm in an attempt to get me cancelled there (obviously they know I want a dobie - State Farm has no clue yet). I can put it off by saying, "I don't have the declarations page printed, yet," but that won't last long. I know it's not legally required for me to send it to them, but might they keep the policy "open" and then ding me on my credit report for "failure to pay???"

Ugggghhhhh... :mad:
 
I just came across this thread....we use Farm Bureau also, and have no issues. We are in TN now...but when we were in Illinois, I had trouble with insurance owning 2 dobermans. I think State Farm premium was too high, and the company we ended up going with asked us to "prove" both dogs were good citizens. They both had their CGC's and both were titled in obedience and agility, so I sent copies of the AKC titles. That seemed to suffice.
 
I'm sure this may have been discussed before but I can't find the discussions, and I'm almost out of my witts here. My homeowner's policy is up for renewal in March, and my "independent agent" is telling me that none of the companies he represents are "doberman friendly." None of them.... :wacky::eek::mad: They also impose a different complexity in that many of them are now demanding roof inspections and denying policies unless you spend $6000.00 on a new roof. I can't afford that right now, and there's nothing wrong with my roof (I had it inspected by an independent analyst who said it was fine, and not due for replacement for at least another 2 years).

My priority is not so much the roof, but the prohibition on "dangerous animals" (i.e. Doberman, GSD, Rotties, etc.). How are most of you handling your homeowner insurance policies? Are your companies accepting dangerous dogs? Do they require a "separate endorsement" or do they just plain prohibit them? In the case of the latter, do you go "commando" on them and have the dog anyway, even though they may not cover it?

Fire away!
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I faced a similar issue recently when I was looking for home insurance but was facing a problem due to many providers being hesitant due to Doberman, But right now I am with an insurance company that is completely fine with Doberman as well.
 
Good grief! I had no idea insurance could be an issue! I wonder if a lender in your area could provide a list of insurance companies for you? Most lenders require coverage if you have a mortgage with them so I would think they would know. Or maybe a Doberman organization or AKC?
 
I faced a similar issue recently when I was looking for home insurance but was facing a problem due to many providers being hesitant due to Doberman, But right now I am with an insurance company that is completely fine with Doberman as well.

Funny you should bump this thread. I was reading my OP above and how I mentioned requiring roof inspections, etc. Well, as it turned out, my company, State Farm, decided to send me an ultimatum... My current roof would be 20 years old (it's the original one) about the same time my policy is up for renewal next year. They gave me notice about 1/2 a year ago that I need to replace the roof or they would not renew my policy. when it's next up for renewal in March, 2023. That is, new shingling, new underlayment, replaced plywood as needed, new sofits, flashing, vent pipes, etc. etc. So I've been scrambling for the last 6 months to find financing to get the roof done. And I think I've done it. I'm supposed to be on the schedule for the week beginning 8th, August. So we'll see what happened. Still no decision on acquiring a dobie just yet. I still have to resolve the back fencing issue (it must be picket fencing and no higher than 4 ft.) This, because my property backs up against a W.C.E. (Wetlands Conservation Easement) owned by the HOA. I am not allowed to obstruct the view of my next door neighbors of that WCE. Not that it's any great shakes to look at, but....

By this October I should be all set, replacing the roof and the HVAC (got enough financing for both). I'll keep ya posted.
 
My current roof would be 20 years old (it's the original one) about the same time my policy is up for renewal next year. They gave me notice about 1/2 a year ago that I need to replace the roof or they would not renew my policy.
Wow. I didn't know that was a thing. I guess it's because you don't own it outright? I have State Farm, this is the first property I've ever owned, but paid cash for it. So I guess once you own it, if it falls apart and they don't have to pay off your mortgage due to damage it would be different. Haha, but without anyone telling us to (except the Inspector before purchase), the first thing we did was put a new roof on it. It had a 20-year roof on the 30-yr old house. Thankfully there was no damage but if we'd let it go another few years it would have been much more expensive. And nobody ever asked anything about dogs. I looked at the fine print when this conversation started and sure enough, no breed policy. But again, I wonder if it's different if/when your mortgage is paid off? I know you have to carry different insurance for a car that's not paid off. I think I'm a rarity in the world. I don't have any debt. LOL, I also don't have any money.
 
Wow. I didn't know that was a thing. I guess it's because you don't own it outright? I have State Farm, this is the first property I've ever owned, but paid cash for it. So I guess once you own it, if it falls apart and they don't have to pay off your mortgage due to damage it would be different. Haha, but without anyone telling us to (except the Inspector before purchase), the first thing we did was put a new roof on it. It had a 20-year roof on the 30-yr old house. Thankfully there was no damage but if we'd let it go another few years it would have been much more expensive. And nobody ever asked anything about dogs. I looked at the fine print when this conversation started and sure enough, no breed policy. But again, I wonder if it's different if/when your mortgage is paid off? I know you have to carry different insurance for a car that's not paid off. I think I'm a rarity in the world. I don't have any debt. LOL, I also don't have any money.

It's a huge thing, here in Florida. I think, primarily, due to wind storm damage (Hurricanes/Tornadoes, etc.). When the roof reaches 20 years, shingles start to pop off, nails come through and protrude out from under the shingles, etc. Although I haven't lost any shingles, I do note a few nails protruding through. There are also a couple of soft spots for which the plywood will have to be replaced. I get two free sheets of plywood with the roofing. After that, it's like $100.00 a sheet. We'll see. It's not because of "ownership." I own my house outright at 100% equity.

My understanding is, though, all the Insurance co's writing in FL are requiring new roofs or replacements every 20 years. So, I' not alone. And, of course, premiums are going way up in order for them to cover the costs of this year's Hurricane season, in advance.

Oddly enough, I was considering "going SOLAR" and getting a solar array put on the roof (the roofing co. also does solar as well). The array itself costs $38k. If you want battery backup, that's an additional $18K for each 10kw battery. The problem being, the Homeowners Insurance would go through the roof! I was working a deal for a HECM mortgage (Home Equity Conversion Mortgage) and I had gone all the way through it to about 1-2 days prior to closing. And, then, I got a call from my State Farm agent. Unbeknownst to me, the Mortgage underwriter called my Insurance agent and asked them to bump up my "general dwelling" coverage to near their appraised value number! I was (and still am) keeping the dwelling coverage at "replacement cost." It would have increased my annual premium by over $400.00. Additionally, had I gone through with the SOLAR array, my electric utility co. would have required me to upgrade to a $1Million liability policy (I have quite a bit less than that now). That would add an additional $350.00 to the annual premium. I then decided to kill that HECM deal, much to the dismay of the loan officer that was working with me, and to cancel the SOLAR project, going forward. I was considering it not so much for reducing my electric bill (which, until this summer, was about $130.00/month on average, even with the HVAC expense), but for the potential for an electric car. But, having killed that HECM deal, I was able to rethink, and my conclusion was that fossil fuels are probably going to be around a lot longer than the time I have left on this Earth. I think these "green energy" people just simply haven't thought it through. EVs? OK, but how do you generate the electricity? With Fossil fuels! Unless you're like France and have a lot of Nuclear power.

If I do ever get a new vehicle, it will, most likely, be gas powered. I figure I'll be long gone by the time EV's become "mandatory." :woot2:

Maybe if I hit the lottery and do a complete new build, I consider solar at that point, but for now, I think not.
 

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