Bad Crop

Caloni said:
I am glad that breeders dont crop their ears. I support people that do, but I also loke the look of them natural. I dont want to deal with any posting...plus with my dobie being trained as a service dog it just looks less threatening to have the ears not done. I dont mind the good breeders that crop the ears, but I also like the responsible ones that give you an option
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Every single reputable breeder in the US crops their puppies ears. If puppies come without crops, those puppies came from a BYB.
Now SOME (very few) reputable breeders will not crop a puppy at the request of the buyer, but that is typically an unusual situation. A crop has nothing to do with the fierceness of a dog. It has everything to do with function.

If you find a breeder that is reputable and only crops on request let me know. Because it is not a reality. I have no problem with your choice to leave natural. I love dobes with natural ears, but it somewhat bothers me when you think dobes look more aggressive with cropped ears. Mass media has most certainly prompted that belief and it is dead wrong.

There are a lot of service dobes with cropped ears. A lot of pit bulls, rottweilers, shepherds, dobermans. You name it. Looks have nothing to do with a dogs ability to be a service dog.


To the OP. If im being brutally honest, and I tend to do so. Have the ears re-cropped. That is not a nice crop, and the ears will not grow into the head.
Find a reputable vet, that is known for their crops, and have it done again while you still have time.
 
CRD said:
Every single reputable breeder in the US crops their puppies ears. If puppies come without crops, those puppies came from a BYB.
Now SOME (very few) reputable breeders will not crop a puppy at the request of the buyer, but that is typically an unusual situation. A crop has nothing to do with the fierceness of a dog. It has everything to do with function.

If you find a breeder that is reputable and only crops on request let me know. Because it is not a reality. I have no problem with your choice to leave natural. I love dobes with natural ears, but it somewhat bothers me when you think dobes look more aggressive with cropped ears. Mass media has most certainly prompted that belief and it is dead wrong.

There are a lot of service dobes with cropped ears. A lot of pit bulls, rottweilers, shepherds, dobermans. You name it. Looks have nothing to do with a dogs ability to be a service dog.
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I totally agree with this!!

It's functionality and standardization and has nothing to do with making the dog more or less fierce. I too like the look of natural ears as I feel all Dobermans are beautiful. I work at a hospital where there are several service dogs that visit. I see tons of Dobermans with cropped ears and other cropped breeds that service our patients here. Everyone loves them cropped ears and all, and the smile on the patients faces after they visit is heartwarming

When we bought Archer we wanted a specific crop and my husband convinced the breeder to allow us to have his ears cropped by a vet of our chosing. It was her last litter and so she just put it in the contract that we would have his ears cropped by the time he was 11 weeks. At that time, I did not know this was not a common occurance. Now I know more about Doberman ear crops and wish I would have allowed the breeder to crop as my tastes have changed and I prefer a longer crop.

I guess I don't get how leaving the owner the choice to crop or not makes a breeder more responsible? I think it is quite the oppoite. It puts too much responsibility on the owner. Therefore, I feel that the crop should be handled by the breeder so proper care and follow up can be administered and the potential owner can be educated.

Back on topic. If you 're not happy witht he original crop, I would def re-crop with a different Veterinarian.
 
CRD said:
Every single reputable breeder in the US crops their puppies ears. If puppies come without crops, those puppies came from a BYB.
Now SOME (very few) reputable breeders will not crop a puppy at the request of the buyer, but that is typically an unusual situation. A crop has nothing to do with the fierceness of a dog. It has everything to do with function.

If you find a breeder that is reputable and only crops on request let me know. Because it is not a reality. I have no problem with your choice to leave natural. I love dobes with natural ears, but it somewhat bothers me when you think dobes look more aggressive with cropped ears. Mass media has most certainly prompted that belief and it is dead wrong.

There are a lot of service dobes with cropped ears. A lot of pit bulls, rottweilers, shepherds, dobermans. You name it. Looks have nothing to do with a dogs ability to be a service dog.


To the OP. If im being brutally honest, and I tend to do so. Have the ears re-cropped. That is not a nice crop, and the ears will not grow into the head.
Find a reputable vet, that is known for their crops, and have it done again while you still have time.
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I agree with most of what you wrote, but have never heard of shepherds or rottweilers having cropped ears. Or were you saying that those breeds can be service dogs?
 
Ingrid H said:
I agree with most of what you wrote, but have never heard of shepherds or rottweilers having cropped ears. Or were you saying that those breeds can be service dogs?
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Sorry i should have been more clear. I was trying to say that no matter what breed JQP has deamed vicious they all can be good service dogs, and their looks have nothing to do with it.
 
CRD said:
Sorry i should have been more clear. I was trying to say that no matter what breed JQP has deamed vicious they all can be good service dogs, and their looks have nothing to do with it.
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Yup. Your post was just worded ambiguously, but I figured it out ;)
 
CRD said:
...but it somewhat bothers me when you think dobes look more aggressive with cropped ears. Mass media has most certainly prompted that belief and it is dead wrong.

There are a lot of service dobes with cropped ears. A lot of pit bulls, rottweilers, shepherds, dobermans. You name it. Looks have nothing to do with a dogs ability to be a service dog.
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I have no problem with the ears being cropped on a doberman service dog. Sorry if my words came off as so. I was merely saying that the PUBLIC views it as such. I say go with what you wish. And yes I have found several reputable breeders that will not crop upon request or do not crop at all. And by reputable I mean the following: breeds once a year or less, has their dogs AKC registered, does all appropriate health testing (VWD, CERF, OFA & PENN Hip, Heart with halter and DNA, Thyroid...etc) and got their breeding stock from parents that also were health tested....preferably also the grandparents too. I do not see how a breeder's reputation rides on if they crop the puppy ears or not. To me care of the parents, puppies, and health are way more important.
 
Going to see a new Vet today to see if he can help with the issues we are having here. I see three problems... Her bells are to big and uneven, her ears are different lengths, she has pockets and her ears are pointing inwards.
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The pockets can be fixed by a slight tweak when posting..I just added a piece of gauze folded up in the pocket area on the post to push it out when Daisy's ears were like that. But the other 2 things..I see what your talking about. :down: I know it's hard but try to stay positive. Things will all work out in the end whatever you decide to do
 
And (if you wanted to of course) you could always talk to the old vet about it just to express the problems in hopes that it doesn't happen to another puppy. And they may refund your money for the crop...
 
I had another vet recrop her ears, and he is also using a more aggressive rack setup to stretch and help,with the pockets. It cost twice as much as the first hack job cost me, but I have too much invested in her to settle for what the first vet did. So we shall see.
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Progress is being made, but I have had to take over all the aftercare as I have issues with the second vet as well. This has not been a good experience for us vet-wise at all.
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Gosh she has a beautiful face and they're both great looking dogs. Looks like the ears are coming along very nicely!
 
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