Bad comments over prong collar

zmchristopher said:
I dont really know if anyone can give me any input over what Im about to talk about to be honest, Since most members are american and the prong collar isnt seen as such a bad tool over there...

I use a prong collar and live in the UK, you can only buy prong collars online and to be honest Id never ever seen one/ heard of one before I joined this Forum...

Now I feel that if I didnt come across the prong collar, Zeus may not have been here today. Since at that time of leash training I was also pushing my was then nearly 2 year old in a pram, I used all other tools but non worked... (obviously I did use these along with the training method I still use now and Zeus is now good on the lead).

What Im getting at is, Do any of you come across a person who gives you an awful look/comment when they see you using your prong? I feel like Im getting judged horribly when I come across these people and find myself looking at choke chains even though I know they've been proven to cause alot more problems for dogs and I know I wouldnt have control like I do now, I think if I was physically a bigger person I wouldnt use any and opt for a harness or something but I just dont have that strength behind me if he decided to take off...
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For me and my wife, the prong collar is like having power steering in an truck or car. They could cause damage if used improperly just like any other tool. I still use it and Cato doesn't mind it at all. A person with little tolerance should never have one. MHO
 
I actually had a doberman breeder suggest the prong collar when I had Mysti. Although 99% of the time she did not need it, she was trained for therapy work and had to be trained in a flat buckle collar, she did wear it on our personal walks, and the reason being is there are alot of other dogs in my neighborhood, and I did not want to chance her forgetting her training in the heat of the moment. She was a dream dog and very well trained.
Due to lack of money, and health reasons, the training with my 2 current dobes has been alot less than what Mysti received. They are trained, however both are rather stubborn at tomes. One of those times is taking walks, so I use the prong collar. I have had a wide range of comments, from the worst to the best. I always take the time to explain to people how it is better for them, the proper way to wear them and have suggested them to friends I know who are having a hard time. I even gave up an old prong collar my lab wore to a friend with her own lab. She said it was the best tool she ever used on a dog and loved it. I have had people in petco ask me about it and have given them my suggestions about using it. When I get the nasty comments I kindly explain the pros of using it over a choke, or harness. Though there are many people who come to our play who use harnesses, I prefer the control I have with my prong collars. Ive tried the different harnesses and both girls pull horribly in them.
 
StarlightDobe said:
I actually had a doberman breeder suggest the prong collar when I had Mysti. Although 99% of the time she did not need it, she was trained for therapy work and had to be trained in a flat buckle collar, she did wear it on our personal walks, and the reason being is there are alot of other dogs in my neighborhood, and I did not want to chance her forgetting her training in the heat of the moment. She was a dream dog and very well trained.
Due to lack of money, and health reasons, the training with my 2 current dobes has been alot less than what Mysti received. They are trained, however both are rather stubborn at tomes. One of those times is taking walks, so I use the prong collar. I have had a wide range of comments, from the worst to the best. I always take the time to explain to people how it is better for them, the proper way to wear them and have suggested them to friends I know who are having a hard time. I even gave up an old prong collar my lab wore to a friend with her own lab. She said it was the best tool she ever used on a dog and loved it. I have had people in petco ask me about it and have given them my suggestions about using it. When I get the nasty comments I kindly explain the pros of using it over a choke, or harness. Though there are many people who come to our play who use harnesses, I prefer the control I have with my prong collars. Ive tried the different harnesses and both girls pull horribly in them.
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Like you, I only use the prong while walking or trotting. I use a power scooter to get around and the prong collar is like havbing power steering on Cato. When he seems me reach for the prong, he jumps for joy doing his Dobe body wiggle:)
 
We really don't care what other people think, their looks or comments. Its not their dog. I don't think one collar works for every dog in different training situations ( I say that because our guys are always in training) also depending on the person..
We have Chokers, Prongs, and ecollars for our boys.. It is just the proper fitting and use of them.
 
I have tried the halti, front leading harness, half choke and i got desperate and bought the prong, it was for me the final thing. the second best tool Ive used would be the front leading harness, but i would have to brace myself before a lunge if something really exciting came along.. like another dog wanting to play ..
 
Jveator said:
Which Types of Collars and Harnesses are Safe for Your Dog? | Animal Behavior and Medicine Blog | Dr. Sophia Yin, DVM, MS
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Her advice may be fine for other breeds but her suggestion of a head collar is dangerous for a Doberman. With their long necks and them being more prone to Wobblers the wrenching that can occur, even by accident, in a head collar is a bad, bad thing. She actually doesn't speak ill of prong/pinch collars, but rather states that not everyone knows how to use them properly. That I will agree with. That is why when people make faces about the prong or about the electric collar I tell them not to do anything they aren't comfortable with. If they aren't comfortable they will not use the tool properly and can cause more harm than good. That goes for any tool.
 
You will find that someone will not agree with something you do in every aspect of your life.

It was mentioned in the thread before.....any tool (prong, e-collar) and so on will get an reaction from someone sometime. As long as the item you choose is used properly and is understood by your Dobe as just what it is...a tool for you to help communicate things to your Dobe, everything else perceived by others really don't matter.
A lot of the time the others making the harsh comments to you are not going to be willing to hear any explanation you have anyway.....don't even waste any time thinking about them at all.

Cya
 
I have heard of people after turning the prong collar inside out so the prongs poke the opposite. Haven't tried that though. I love the prong collar so helpful. It just shows the mindset of the other person if they take offense. If you use the collar like it supposed to be used and not to harm your pet your a good master. Doesn't matter what others think anyways. Just opinion and everyone has one.... freedom of speech on this side.:paw:
 
DobeDog said:
I have heard of people after turning the prong collar inside out so the prongs poke the opposite. Haven't tried that though. I love the prong collar so helpful. It just shows the mindset of the other person if they take offense. If you use the collar like it supposed to be used and not to harm your pet your a good master. Doesn't matter what others think anyways. Just opinion and everyone has one.... freedom of speech on this side.:paw:
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I see people that do this are usually people that aren't very informed and are usually trying to have their dog look "bad ass". That sure helps the image of the proper prong users. I personally think it looks incredibly silly. :rolleyes:
 
I use a small HS prong collar all the time. It does get tiring having people tell me to use a Halti or a harness so the dog doesn't have to wear that "mean" collar. :rolleyes:
 
In the UK, there's a lot.of things about prongs, choke chains, even half check! I posted a pic of indi in her half check on facebook (recommended by breeder) and someone just about flipped out on me!!!

I explained provided you know how to effectively use one, it's a great tool in the right hands. I shouldn't have.bothered, next time I'll tell them to do their research!!

Loved the comment about having a well behaved dog walking on a choke.chain and not pulling opposed to a harnessed dog dragging his owner about!!

Also loving bob being a distinguished member :)
 
wislady said:
I use a small HS prong collar all the time. It does get tiring having people tell me to use a Halti or a harness so the dog doesn't have to wear that "mean" collar. :rolleyes:
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How dare you!?!? You try putting on that big mean collar and being jerked around everywhere. You big meany!! I'm calling Sarah McLaughlin of the ASPCA!

Yeah I tried their point of view it all just sounds so stupid. Typing that just made me feel dumb.


Prong collars are such a valuable training tool. Ignore the fools and watch while there dogs drag them through petco.
Never fails to put a smile on my face.
 
Get a scarf for him and put that on over.. I am willing to bet these trainers you see on tv do that..
I saw a prong that had something on the outside.. I have never used one so I am not sure how else to hide it
but I heard someone said they were using using a scarf..
I heard you dont need to do anything when the dog has it on it just works they know i guess you means business..
I will get one if my next dobie needs it.. Missy was sick with lymphomia so just used a squirt bottle with her. worked really well.
 
IF the Halti is the one that turns the dobies headI heard that is not good for a dobie.. I wish I could remember but I think it had something to do with bone structure of the dobe .
Dobies are super smart but also a tough dog and I heard a lot of dobe people use prongs and there is no better people that adore their dobermans than doberman people.. they would not hurt there dogs for the world..
 
After spending the last few months leash training Tash, I value the prong collar so much. When she is on the regular leash she pulls so hard she makes herself throw up sometimes. I think the prong collar helps her to remember she is on a leash and needs to pay attention. Back in the day we had the choker collar. It was effective in stopping her but it caused damage to the throat, the prong collar makes them stop long before they pull hard enough to hurt themselves. Last weekend we decided to get Tasha a "tough" collar since her regular one was getting to small. James picked out this big spike collar, he was a bit grandiose in his choice, it's really wide and makes her look like a reindeer ready for flight :rofl:. I'll have to post pics later.......... Use the prong collar, it is the safest and most effective for training :)
 
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