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I was wasting time on youts toob and the algo fed me this:

Reminded me of a recent post about a malemute. So just chumming a bit here...any landshark dog owners/past breeders, friens of who have comments.


I have watched this trainer on and off grow over time, and appreciate his efforts to educate new dog buyers...
or rescuers with big hearts and poor impulse control.....(looking in mirror...what we we thinking on that chow mix.) 😊🤣🤪
 
BGpa said:
I was wasting time on youts toob and the algo fed me this:

Reminded me of a recent post about a malemute. So just chumming a bit here...any landshark dog owners/past breeders, friens of who have comments.


I have watched this trainer on and off grow over time, and appreciate his efforts to educate new dog buyers...
or rescuers with big hearts and poor impulse control.....(looking in mirror...what we we thinking on that chow mix.) 😊🤣🤪
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Good video. Not sure I agree about the malemutes. But I'd say not a husky instead--high powered working dog, doesn't see the point of obedience, wants to pull, bark, dig and work. The head trainer of the schutzhund club I was in said he'd worked w/ a Black Russian Terrier once and would never do it again. Here's a guy who has worked animal control, trained many breeds of schutzhund dogs, done plenty of bitework, and he said that the BRT scared the crap out of him. Pretty much any breed that's back yard bred is going to be a poor choice for the average dog owner, but especially one that doesn't take well to obedience training, needs high levels of training, needs a job, or is highly protective. I'd add the Beauceron as well.
 
I’ve had some Akita experience.
Wife’s sister and husband had one when we started dating.
Her name was Sake and she was and still is the largest Akita I have ever seen.

We drove over to their house for an Easter? I think? The wife has a very, very large family. That is a factor here in a second.

We pull up in front of the house and this bear head looking dog is staring and barking at us, her head above! The 5.6 tall fence. She was a beast!

As the day progressed and I’m really not a big crowds or lots of people in a small place kind of guy.

I moved towards the back door, I need to go out for a smoke.
SIL stops me as I’m unlatching the lock, “you can’t go back there. Sake is back there😳”

At that point I was willing to face 120+lbs of a dog I’ve never met. So I go.

As I walk out there’s a bench to my left so I go to it. Light up, then look across the yard.
There she is, laying down against the opposite side yard fence. Staring at me.🫤

I ignore her completely.

She gets up and walks over, sort of cautiously. Smells my shoes. They smell like Golden Retriever.
Then the touch, top of the head. She continues sniffing me out.

By the time I was ready to go back inside I had her dropping into a play bow, and me moving and ducking, and she moving and ducking and dropping into more bow.

I instantly gained approval of the one day inlaws.

A couple years later that dog had a litter, they kept one, a BIL got one, and my FIL got one.
The FIL walked that dog every single day it wasn’t raining, sometimes he was on a bicycle.

They have their quirks. They are all about the kids from my perspective. There were 25-30 grandkids back then (there’s more now) and his girl had all of them piling all over her, some still in diapers. She loved every second of it.

Wish I had some pictures, but it was well before cel phones.

When the wife’s dad passed nobody wanted his garage sign so it’s here.
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That was a pleasant watch.

@Sunje mentioned the BRT. I've only met two at a Tulip festival in WA state. I didn't learn much at that time. I have been a member of a BRT Facebook group for a handful of years since I was researching breeds. I understand there is a lot of variability in the breed in terms of temperament. Some really seem to be pretty average Joe dogs. I had phone calls with two BRT breeders (conformation). The one who was more experienced, after I finally found out the purchase price and had to tell her that was too much for me, she wished me luck and told me to just remember some BRT lines have aggression issues.

The Akita: I wonder why the video's host didn't mention there is the Japanese Akita and the American Akita. I have heard they are about equal in terms of watchdog ability. The American Akita is much more impressive looking to me, and I understand way back it had GSD mixed in with the Japanese Akita. In the video, the muzzled Akita is a Japanese Akita. The rest looked like American Akitas. Japanese Akitas look like giant Shiba Inus. I had a nice long phone call with an American Akita breeder (conformation) and I did find out she was charging $4,800 for pups. Fully health tested and titled parentage.

I considered the Presa Canario (or as I have long known it, the Canary Dog). I have not met one or talked to a breeder on the phone. I knew it would probably be a risky breed to get if I could not really trust the breeder.

The Malamute: A good friend had a male. This friend was the brother of my best friend, who owned a GSD male. The GSD male used to beat up my Doberman male, and Sam the GSD would not stop fighting when the other dog submitted. That Malamute is the only dog I ever saw that got the better of that GSD. The Malamute was neutered pretty young per the breeder's contract, FYI.

The video guy had another dog along with his Dutchie. It looks like it might be a Boerboel that i s on the somewhat smaller end and without exaggerated size and structure. Maybe it's a mix. It would be interesting to find that he owns a Boerboel but finds those other six breeds to be ones he would not own. I did meet a Boerboel at a nearby brewery taproom, and my current male dog named Zephyr (1/2 Turkish Kangal, 1/4 Anatolian Shepherd, 1/4 gamebred mastiff) got along fine meeting that male Boerboel.

I had a nice phone conversation with a Boerboel breeder and he would be who I would go with if I decide to get one for my next dog.. Unlike the Boerboel breeder who I tried and tried to contact, that is located just outside the city where I go see the in-laws every Christmas, the Boerboel breeder I talked to on the phone actually was available to talk. That other breeder asks far too much for pups anyway. The guy I talked to on the phone has traveled to South Africa, done collaborations with folks over there, and is preserving two particular lines of Boerboel – Piona being one. I forget the other. This man, when asked about price said in all his travels, he has never met a dog that is worth over $2,500. He fully health tests. Yeah, he may be my next breeder.

Anyway, good on ya' if you read this far.
 
BGpa said:
I was wasting time on youts toob and the algo fed me this:

Reminded me of a recent post about a malemute. So just chumming a bit here...any landshark dog owners/past breeders, friens of who have comments.


I have watched this trainer on and off grow over time, and appreciate his efforts to educate new dog buyers...
or rescuers with big hearts and poor impulse control.....(looking in mirror...what we we thinking on that chow mix.) 😊🤣🤪
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Tom Davis is a well known dog trainer. In fact, there was one YouTube channel I forgot to mention earlier called "Tucker Budzyn..." And I didn't mention it because the breed is the "Golden Retriever..." a bit different than the "Huskamutes" and others mentioned previously. Tucker is approaching 8 years old but is still with us, as is his son, "Todd." The family raises both. Point being, Tom Davis was featured on one of Tucker's most famous YouTube videos... the one where his nemesis "Pearl" visits for the week so that Tom Davis can train both of them. See below.


Just to clarify... the narrator of the Tucker videos is Courtney Budzyn, Tucker's human mom (and a rather famous YouTuber in her own right). But Tucker affectionately calls her, "Linda," based on another famous YT video "Listen Linda." :D
 
BGpa said:
I was wasting time on youts toob and the algo fed me this:

Reminded me of a recent post about a malemute. So just chumming a bit here...any landshark dog owners/past breeders, friens of who have comments.


I have watched this trainer on and off grow over time, and appreciate his efforts to educate new dog buyers...
or rescuers with big hearts and poor impulse control.....(looking in mirror...what we we thinking on that chow mix.) 😊🤣🤪
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Yes, so sad for BC's and Malinois when they became popular and common, everyday families got one because they are, 'smart'. Coworker friend of mine adopted a puppy from a rescue. Was told the puppy was a Newfoundland Rottweiler mix. Dog grew up, huge, they had dna done, it was a Tibetan Mastiff, she said he was a WONDERFUL dog.

As for the Presa, yup, dangerous, a woman was killed in San Francisco years ago, by 2 of them: Death of Diane Whipple - Wikipedia

Alaskan Malamutes, was at a dog show years ago, one handler was getting ready to show a Malamute. Don't know what the issue was, but the Malamute did not want to listen to the handler. The dog was not focused on the handler, but was growling at the handler whenever the handler tried to get the dog to move.

Interesting video, thanks for sharing.
 
Sunje said:
Not sure I agree about the malemutes. But I'd say not a husky instead--high powered working dog, doesn't see the point of obedience, wants to pull, bark, dig and work.
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This reminded me that when I was doing obedience there was a husky in my CD class. The first part is done on leash, then when she went to the off leash exercise it just took off. Like "I'm outta here" bolting past the steward standing by the ring gate, went around the outside of the ring and through an open door. It was a school building and the 2 ob rings were in a gymnasium, so the door he went out of went into another section of the building that was closed to the outdoors, but jeesh! Also, they have seem to have no loyalty to home. The community I live in has a lost & found pet page on the internet and I constantly see "husky got out again". Dug under or climbed over, but non-stop escaping. They were made to set out on a trail and never look back!

I looked into the BRT and didn't take but a minute and I knew they weren't for me. Impressive, but nope. I only knew one Malamute and it was quite nice, no aggression at all.

BGpa said:
appreciate his efforts to educate new dog buyers...
or rescuers with big hearts and poor impulse control.
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There are so few dogs I'd want and everything he named I wouldn't want. Not that they are all bad, just nothing I'm interested in sharing my house and life with. So many other dog breeds that I don't mind but don't want simply because of liability. Pitty types and Rottweilers come to mind.
 
Sunje said:
Good video. Not sure I agree about the malemutes. But I'd say not a husky instead--high powered working dog, doesn't see the point of obedience, wants to pull, bark, dig and work. The head trainer of the schutzhund club I was in said he'd worked w/ a Black Russian Terrier once and would never do it again. Here's a guy who has worked animal control, trained many breeds of schutzhund dogs, done plenty of bitework, and he said that the BRT scared the crap out of him. Pretty much any breed that's back yard bred is going to be a poor choice for the average dog owner, but especially one that doesn't take well to obedience training, needs high levels of training, needs a job, or is highly protective. I'd add the Beauceron as well.
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Yep. Love the Husky personality but unless I have a sled, I'm not sure what job I have for it.

The one Malamute I've met enough to assess was a complete sweetheart with people but absolutely ruled other dogs by his size and presence.

The two Beauce and owners I've met say same as you- strong, stubborn, late maturing, good at the job but a LOT of work.
GSD hair shedding and DCM and dysplasia means "off my list..."
 
Gelcoater said:
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Liability?
I don’t think a lawyer or a judge or a jury would distinguish any difference between a pit, this Rott or your or my Doberman as far as liability goes.
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Oh I agree from the perspective of "no breed shaming" and
Every dog is an individual.

The simple fact is some govt entities, some HOAs, some homeowner policies DO name specific breeds.

And juries are made up of a cross section who have their biases.

So in my case, I will take that into consideration on next big dog, and where I choose to live, in over all risk tolerance.

It sux but its a fact of life.
 
DD4MSpock said:
Tom Davis is a well known dog trainer. In fact, there was one YouTube channel I forgot to mention earlier called "Tucker Budzyn..." And I didn't mention it because the breed is the "Golden Retriever..." a bit different than the "Huskamutes" and others mentioned previously. Tucker is approaching 8 years old but is still with us, as is his son, "Todd." The family raises both. Point being, Tom Davis was featured on one of Tucker's most famous YouTube videos... the one where his nemesis "Pearl" visits for the week so that Tom Davis can train both of them. See below.


Just to clarify... the narrator of the Tucker videos is Courtney Budzyn, Tucker's human mom (and a rather famous YouTuber in her own right). But Tucker affectionately calls her, "Linda," based on another famous YT video "Listen Linda." :D
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Omg too cute!
 
BGpa said:
The simple fact is some govt entities, some HOAs, some homeowner policies DO name specific breeds.
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In FL, it's the Homeowner Insurance Cos. The ones that are based in FL. The "nationwide" insurers would not, but the problem is there's only one Nationwide company (to my knowledge) that is still in the business of writing homeowner policies in FL due to Tropical weather/flood issues. And that's the one I have. We'll see how long they stay. They may flee after the next major hit.
 
BGpa said:
PS: I dont think I have met a Rottie that wasn't a sweetie. Most pitties too. Just gotta be aware of the broken ones.
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BGpa, I agree. The female Rottie, Callie, in Neo's OB class is a real sweetie plus an accomplished (retired) show and comp. obedience dog. I have limited experience with Rotties, but she is a great example. She is so tolerant and good with Neo before each class.

Neo Meets Two Callies Before Class 4-8-26
 
Gelcoater said:
I don’t think a lawyer or a judge or a jury would distinguish any difference between a pit, this Rott or your or my Doberman as far as liability goes.
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I should clarify that I was referring to chances of having a serious incident, not actual legal liability. I think anyone owning any dog is legally responsible for the actions of their dog, especially regarding biting. Nobody should get off the hook just because it was a Golden Retriever that bit a child. As a responsible owner, I understand that my dog is a liability no matter what.

I have personally known 2 pit bulls and 3 Rottweilers and loved them. But the facts are facts and they are the most likely to cause serious damage or fatalities due to their tenacity and breed nature to not let go. That said, my own observation working a few years in a vet clinic, small dogs were way more likely to bite than any of the medium to large dogs.

From DogsBite.cog website:

2019 analysis and 15-year period summary​

  • 50 U.S. dog bite-related fatalities occurred in 2019. Despite being regulated in Military Housing areas and over 900 U.S. cities, pit bulls contributed to 68% (34) of these deaths. Pit bulls make up about 8% of the total U.S. dog population.3
  • During the 15-year period of 2005 to 2019, canines killed 522 Americans. Two dog breeds, pit bulls (345) and rottweilers (52), contributed to 76% (397) of these deaths. Over 40 different dog breeds were involved in the remaining fatal dog attacks.
  • In 2019, the combination of pit bulls (34), American bulldogs (1), rottweilers (4) and mastiff-type guard dogs and war dogs (1) -- the types used to create "baiting" bull breeds and fighting breeds -- accounted for 82% (41) of all dog bite-related deaths.
  • Mixed-breeds had the second highest death rate in 2019, involved in 6 deaths; pit bulls participated in 50% of these mixed-breed attacks.4 Rottweilers followed, inflicting 4 deaths. Three different dog breeds followed, each involved in 2 deaths.
  • Nine different dog breeds inflicted 1 death, including: American bulldog, Belgian malinois, coonhound, doberman pinscher, Dutch shepherd, great dane, husky, mastiff and presa canario. Overall, 15 different dog breeds contributed to 50 human deaths in 2019.
 
BGpa said:
PS: I dont think I have met a Rottie that wasn't a sweetie. Most pitties too. Just gotta be aware of the broken ones.
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I know I’ve posted these before but I’ve always enjoyed being around the Rotts.
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They are the ones we don’t worry about them wandering off. They just don’t.
And they gravitate towards my oldest daughter, IMG_1048.webp
This boy especially. He was a little guy for a Rott, and 100% deaf.
Seemed like wherever she went he went.
He was their #4 Rottie.
All were very socialized dogs.
#2 walked around with an assortment of tags on her collar for various therapy work, the elderly, kids wards in hospitals etc.

They are on #7 now and she is a sweetheart and falling right in line.

#s 2,6 and now 7 are Very! ball motivated.
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That was my boy Rocky and Tesa, she was #5, they flat wore each other out.
The game was “chase Tesa” 🤣
Until he got her in a corner, then it was Chase Rocky! 😂😂😂
 
Sunje said:
Good video. Not sure I agree about the malemutes. But I'd say not a husky instead--high powered working dog, doesn't see the point of obedience, wants to pull, bark, dig and work. The head trainer of the schutzhund club I was in said he'd worked w/ a Black Russian Terrier once and would never do it again. Here's a guy who has worked animal control, trained many breeds of schutzhund dogs, done plenty of bitework, and he said that the BRT scared the crap out of him. Pretty much any breed that's back yard bred is going to be a poor choice for the average dog owner, but especially one that doesn't take well to obedience training, needs high levels of training, needs a job, or is highly protective. I'd add the Beauceron as well.
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Laughs in BRT, not your ordinary BRT, a 196 lb freak of nature... hellhound. (That's my 150lb newf next to him. Lol) He got a little too much of the Ovcharka genes. He wasn't prejudiced, he hated everyone. They don't do well in sport because it isn't a game to them, they aim to eliminate a threat. Siberian working lines, very, very, serious dog, nuff said. 1000003095.webp1000004180.webp
 
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