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[MyBuddy]

When she gets out of the car to get gas, she says a Russian word to Duchess and Duchess immediately runs in between her legs from the front, then sits before going all the way through, and guards her back.

THAT is cool!! I've seen videos of women at ATMs with their dogs by their side facing backwards. By my side or between the legs, either way it's a cool, menacing look. Not sure how to train that. Annie is always so excited to see people she'd be like, Hi! Hi! How ya doing??!

 

[Katyusharocket]

By my side or between the legs, either way it's a cool, menacing look. Not sure how to train that.

Oh it is intimidating. She said she no longer receives unwanted attention. The Russian adds to the intimidation because it's just a language with a harsh sound. She's related to my breeder whose first language is also Russian and my breeder has 5 young sons. Even i kind of put my tail between my legs when she yells at her sons. It's a sound, let me tell ya!

Another friend of mine taught "guard", by using training treats to have her Doberman come between her legs from behind and then achieve a sit. After her Doberman had that down she taught the same way but using the command "six" to have her guard her six o'clock. I can ask Duchess' owner how she trained it.

 

[MyBuddy]

Even i kind of put my tail between my legs when she yells at her sons. It's a sound, let me tell ya!

That's funny but I get how the Russian sound would be more intimidating!

 

[Ravenbird]

There'a an exercise in ring sports (not IGP) where the handler can shake hands with the decoy and the dog ignores him, but then he puts two hands on the handler and the dog bites him. Another fun exercise to watch is object guard. The decoy tries to steal the object (it can be anything) and the dog has to prevent the decoy from getting it but can't leave the object to bite. He can only bite within a certain distance of the object and if the decoy runs the dog goes back to the object. Basically a challenge between man & beast.

 

[Katyusharocket]

There'a an exercise in ring sports (not IGP) where the handler can shake hands with the decoy and the dog ignores him, but then he puts two hands on the handler and the dog bites him. Another fun exercise to watch is object guard. The decoy tries to steal the object (it can be anything) and the dog has to prevent the decoy from getting it but can't leave the object to bite. He can only bite within a certain distance of the object and if the decoy runs the dog goes back to the object. Basically a challenge between man & beast.

That sounds amazing! I know nothing about that space in the dog training world, but it is impressive to read about it/see videos.

 

[Oh Little Oji]

Oh it is intimidating. She said she no longer receives unwanted attention. The Russian adds to the intimidation because it's just a language with a harsh sound. She's related to my breeder whose first language is also Russian and my breeder has 5 young sons. Even i kind of put my tail between my legs when she yells at her sons. It's a sound, let me tell ya!

Another friend of mine taught "guard", by using training treats to have her Doberman come between her legs from behind and then achieve a sit. After her Doberman had that down she taught the same way but using the command "six" to have her guard her six o'clock. I can ask Duchess' owner how she trained it.

That is so cool! I love that kind of stuff. I've trained my last two Dobes, as well as Zephyr, mostly in an Asian language. Depending on the mood I'm in, and the situation, I think I may sound like a grizzled martial arts master.

One thing I have never wanted is a stranger to be able to tell my dog what to do. I kind of laugh inside when a stranger tells my dog Sit? Sit? I tell them "He speaks a different language," but I bet they think I'm trying to be funny.

 

[Katyusharocket]

I've trained my last two Dobes, as well as Zephyr, mostly in an Asian language.

That's really unique! Great choice!

One thing I have never wanted is a stranger to be able to tell my dog what to do.

I think about training my next dog in something other than English, but for the reason of picking and choosing a particular behavior from one dog but not the other. But that would have it's down side, too.

 

[BGpa]

Veddy Interestink! (Cultilural reference...)
Srsly great idea @Katyusharocket
Please share more...

I like the idea of having alternate commands for basics if they have a particular purpose in any trick dog (TKN) or informal use, so a backwards facing sit is a great trick! Half the time we are out doing some errand Bonnie is craning her neck to see something she is watching..,so doing it on command would be naturally reinforcing and useful in the situation of getting cash at ATM.

So thank you! (i'm putting this on my list...)

Note I am NOT training BYBBonnie in anything formally "protective" as thats disqualifying for Service Dog per ADI guideline.

But its a fascinating topic and I'll loving learning about here @Oh Little Oji and @Ravenbird and others.

We took Bonnie for BO to a LEA trainer in the area (with past training for dobes now all GSD/Mals) for several agencies last 40 years, and their working dog customers use German iirc.

I talked with one USMIL dogtrainer later with several tours in the sandbox who shared that German traditional schutzhund type commands are common in wardogs
but you can do any word you like, as long as you train it properly. I think he said he used Czech on his dogs, iirc and not sure if thats from the breeding source or his training after, in the field.

I also asked about pairing verbal BO with hand signals (as dobes are so visual I figure its reinforcing)
and also using them for silent signals like for walking in woods when observing/scouting game. I try to direct her by pointing on retrieving a toy, or playing our made up informal nose work games with treats hidden in the grass, on logs, high up stuck on a tree so she has to stretch etc..."ZOOK!)

(Side note if anyone has a suggestion; I havent figured out a reliable term and good response to a "looksee!" As a "watch command" other than saying her name and "look" and hand signaling by pointing at my eyes then pointing at the hawk, seagull, sound and turning my head in the direction, which she gets and is excited to do...sort of turning on her toy/prey/hunt drive but with restraint, at heel or in a stay.)

But I digress-

The Specops trainer thought that idea was a bit "tactical" but I assured him it was innocent and fun, and maybe useful, and it has been especially in a high noise environment, or a far away recall.

So I'm still doing that with Bonnie, for example a open hand pushed straight up high over head is a come!

And now sometimes she sort of waits for that hand vs first spoken Come, (if she is really into that gopher hole..."its like REALLY?")

so I suppose I've actually let her train me...
PS: I am completely making things up on this dobe, but with expert help as needed...

I hired an old AKC award winning competition OB trainer for some specific "trained behaviors to need" per ADA for SD,

and so the AKC formal Obedience for competition commands with specific response is another set of terms and body movements too.

So if you ever wanted to go to a competition just for fun, you can follow some of that set of commands as your daily routine,
and be ready to compete just for fun

add save the secret words for going beyond/custom to you and family needs.

PS2: I dont want someone to tell my dog what to do, either, so I train her to basically ignore that-including accept treats from strangers; also part of normal polite behavior in CGC and the polite foundation that you want in a SD.

IMHO, these dogs love to work and even if you are past the prime juvenile training stage, even stubborn old dogs can learn new tricks...
I'm proof although my BW might beg to differ at times...

 

[JanS]

then he puts two hands on the handler and the dog bites him.

I honestly wouldn't want someone putting their hands on me, aside from shaking hands. LOL
I know quite a while ago I had Albert in the back seat and the flagman reached over my shoulder to pet him during a road construction stop. Bad idea.

 

[Katyusharocket]

Please share more...

I guess my idea of teaching another dog in another language would be to be able to more easily get something out of one dog without having to use her name. For instance, if I am looking at Zastava and Katyusha, and I want Katyusha to come but Zastava to stay where she is, I wouldn't have to say "Zastava, STAY" followed by "Katyusha COME" instead, (in theory) that would be ZHDAT'! and COME, getting the desired result from each dog and not needing to use their name (this example assumes I taught Zastava in Russian, which I have not). The down side is that when I want them both to do the same thing, like "inside" (go in the house), now it becomes more wordy than necessary. instead of one word and both do it, now it's "inside" followed by "damoy", so it really could complicate matters for some things. Plus they are smart, enough to figure each other's language out, and think that just because I used either of the words, it could apply to both. Although I suppose that aspect could be trained, too, as it happens. I have plenty of people who are in my life and own Dobermans and speak Russian that help for a new command is only a text message away, if I can't figure it out on my own. Just something I will think about until I get my next pup.

I did ask Duchess' mom how she trained the front and rear guarding positions and both people I know who have Dobermans that will do that, used the same training method, except, like you alluded to about hand signals @BG1 Duchess was introduced to hand signals as the training started to gel, so she will do that on either voice or visual command. The other Doberman responds only to voice, as far as I know. So, that does add to your idea of Dobies being visual in nature, and I think hand signals are wonderful for them. I know that I have a hand signal for Zastava for "sit" and she is more likely to obey when I use that alone as opposed to verbal or both at once. Katyusha is awesome and obeys immediately even on a quiet verbal command, but she knows the signal too.

I guess it's all about doing what works for you and your dog/s, while hopefully correctly forecasting the activities you might do in the future with them and hopefully you won't teach a conflict for what you get into. One could probably teach a dog to bark explosively using the command "water" but then you go to a picnic on a hot day, and every time someone asks for water....

 

[Ravenbird]

for example a open hand pushed straight up high over head is a come!

And now sometimes she sort of waits for that hand vs first spoken Come, (if she is really into that gopher hole..."its like REALLY?")

so I suppose I've actually let her train me...
PS: I am completely making things up on this dobe, but with expert help as needed...

so the AKC formal Obedience for competition commands with specific response is another set of terms and body movements too.

So if you ever wanted to go to a competition just for fun, you can follow some of that set of commands as your daily routine,
and be ready to compete just for fun

So again, I'll say that competitions have rules that exercises must be done a certain way, and also in a certain order of your level of competition. Doing anything you want with your home companion is perfectly fine, you learn a lot by training a variety of things and it increases the bond between you & your dog(s).

In AKC you can't use hand signals in the lower levels but they are required in some exercises as you move up. As I mentioned earlier UN-training is harder to do than anything. Easier to add layers than to have to remove a behavior. In IGP any kind of body language in addition to the command is points off for "help". I can move my left foot an inch and that movement will get Asha to skooch her sit closer to me. That would def be points off at a higher level in IGP obedience. Dogs are extremely sensitive to body movement, so once they learn something through your movements it can be hard to erase. Asha figured out that when I called her for a formal recall I took a deep breath then called COME! So to show me she was totally ready & obedient she'd start running toward me when she saw my shoulders move from a big inhale. In IGP or AKC this is points off for "anticipation". So I had to practice taking big breaths and not say anything or call out something irrelevant like "Vanilla!" So many things she put together in my training that I didn't even know until I realized she had figured out signals that I was unaware of.

Also, IGP requires one language for commands - doesn't matter if it's English, German etc but it must be consistent not a mix-mash of several. I didn't know this when Asha was a puppy and I taught her "Stay". Well, turns out that's the pronunciation of the German word that means "Stand" which if I'd continued my dream of IGP would have taken a little more work to clarify. I know most of you don't plan to compete, but I do like to share all the mistakes I made that "if I'd just known better" would have made many steps easier when training for competing!

I honestly wouldn't want someone putting their hands on me, aside from shaking hands. LOL

It's precisely what this exercise is about- to show your dog will not bite an innocent person who reaches out to introduce themselves, but if they reached out with two hands (in trial it's usually putting a hand on each shoulder, either from the front or coming from behind) the dog bites the decoy. Ring sport is super fun to watch!

One could probably teach a dog to bark explosively using the command "water" but then you go to a picnic on a hot day, and every time someone asks for water....

The other thing I found out is that dogs don't generalize very well - they are pretty situational, which is why it's important to train things in different locations. I feel like you are going to dip your foot into possibly training for obedience and once your dog learns things at home or at the park, then do the same things in a parking lot that's not too busy or a park you've never been to before, or an aisle in Home Depot etc etc. I can say the word OK in conversation and it means nothing to Asha, but if she's on her bed at 5 minutes before feeding time and say OK she takes off like a rocket for the kitchen. That's an example of situational. Any mention in conversation of "feed" "time" or "OK" around 5 pm she jumps up to run to the kitchen. These words are meaningless after she's had supper.

 

[BGpa]

So again, I'll say that competitions have rules that exercises must be done a certain way, and also in a certain order of your level of competition. Doing anything you want with your home companion is perfectly fine, you learn a lot by training a variety of things and it increases the bond between you & your dog(s).

In AKC you can't use hand signals in the lower levels but they are required in some exercises as you move up. As I mentioned earlier UN-training is harder to do than anything. Easier to add layers than to have to remove a behavior. In IGP any kind of body language in addition to the command is points off for "help". I can move my left foot an inch and that movement will get Asha to skooch her sit closer to me. That would def be points off at a higher level in IGP obedience. Dogs are extremely sensitive to body movement, so once they learn something through your movements it can be hard to erase. Asha figured out that when I called her for a formal recall I took a deep breath then called COME! So to show me she was totally ready & obedient she'd start running toward me when she saw my shoulders move from a big inhale. In IGP or AKC this is points off for "anticipation". So I had to practice taking big breaths and not say anything or call out something irrelevant like "Vanilla!" So many things she put together in my training that I didn't even know until I realized she had figured out signals that I was unaware of.

Also, IGP requires one language for commands - doesn't matter if it's English, German etc but it must be consistent not a mix-mash of several. I didn't know this when Asha was a puppy and I taught her "Stay". Well, turns out that's the pronunciation of the German word that means "Stand" which if I'd continued my dream of IGP would have taken a little more work to clarify. I know most of you don't plan to compete, but I do like to share all the mistakes I made that "if I'd just known better" would have made many steps easier when training for competing!


It's precisely what this exercise is about- to show your dog will not bite an innocent person who reaches out to introduce themselves, but if they reached out with two hands (in trial it's usually putting a hand on each shoulder, either from the front or coming from behind) the dog bites the decoy. Ring sport is super fun to watch!

The other thing I found out is that dogs don't generalize very well - they are pretty situational, which is why it's important to train things in different locations. I feel like you are going to dip your foot into possibly training for obedience and once your dog learns things at home or at the park, then do the same things in a parking lot that's not too busy or a park you've never been to before, or an aisle in Home Depot etc etc. I can say the word OK in conversation and it means nothing to Asha, but if she's on her bed at 5 minutes before feeding time and say OK she takes off like a rocket for the kitchen. That's an example of situational. Any mention in conversation of "feed" "time" or "OK" around 5 pm she jumps up to run to the kitchen. These words are meaningless after she's had supper.

This is excellent detail and bookmarked, highly useful in training the next one. The more one learns, the more one can plan ahead on goals for the job or fun you want to have with the dog.
I know this is obvious to the many dobe experienced here, but to the noob reading and thinking/researching here-

These dobes are so smart and multi-functional that thinking ahead on training- and how-to in dog-sports, or you will be playing catchup and missing the opportunity during the formative early months, to set a good base and clear connection in communication with your dobe.

From my very informal and limited pet experience I agree its not easy to undo a solid behavior or teach a multiple step command without solid compliance in any one so layering makes sense too.

I've been pretty much making it up as I go, from past experience and using what two/three trainers have suggested to sharpen or add new things, without any thought to the standards of later sport or competition.

And I get what you mean about being specific and careful in word choices.

I have used "ok" without thinking enough in early training its become a generalized "release" so I have to be careful in general conversation say on the phone or I'll find Bonnie off wandering sniffing instead of in a down stay.

So much interesting training and sport info you bring to the table @Ravenbird
and by others here, thank you!

 

[JanS]

It's precisely what this exercise is about- to show your dog will not bite an innocent person who reaches out to introduce themselves, but if they reached out with two hands (in trial it's usually putting a hand on each shoulder, either from the front or coming from behind) the dog bites the decoy.

Can I bite them too? LOL

 

[remy]

We went to FastCAT yesterday! Previously Remy ran 2 FastCAT runs and 1 CAT, but this time he did 1 FastCAT and 2 CAT runs. As usual he had a ton of fun!

The first part of the video is us attempting to hide while we wait for his turn lol. I left the line when there were about 6 or 7 dogs ahead of us because he gets more and more hyped up the longer we wait. He was even crazier than that but I had to put my phone away so I could hold him.

The second part of the video is one of his CAT runs. He had already done 1 FastCAT and 1 CAT run at that point, but he was still just as excited to chase those bags!

 

[Katyusharocket]

We went to FastCAT yesterday! Previously Remy ran 2 FastCAT runs and 1 CAT, but this time he did 1 FastCAT and 2 CAT runs. As usual he had a ton of fun!

The first part of the video is us attempting to hide while we wait for his turn lol. I left the line when there were about 6 or 7 dogs ahead of us because he gets more and more hyped up the longer we wait. He was even crazier than that but I had to put my phone away so I could hold him.

The second part of the video is one of his CAT runs. He had already done 1 FastCAT and 1 CAT run at that point, but he was still just as excited to chase those bags!

Thats neat to watch! He sure is amped up waiting to go!

 

[Ravenbird]

he gets more and more hyped up the longer we wait. He was even crazier than that but I had to put my phone away so I could hold him

For some reason, these dogs don't "get use to it" and learn to wait in a halfway decent manner. They just get crazier! I can't hold mine anymore at all, gotta have a strong arm hold her while I run to the catch pen. Last time we were done, I'd leashed her up and was returning outside the fence and the control operator sent the bag back to the start. When it went by (we were well outside the fence about 20 ft), Asha went after it, I hit the ground but didn't let go of the leash and she dragged me several feet before she stopped. It gets insane!

 

[jazzies mum]

For some reason, these dogs don't "get use to it" and learn to wait in a halfway decent manner. They just get crazier! I can't hold mine anymore at all, gotta have a strong arm hold her while I run to the catch pen. Last time we were done, I'd leashed her up and was returning outside the fence and the control operator sent the bag back to the start. When it went by (we were well outside the fence about 20 ft), Asha went after it, I hit the ground but didn't let go of the leash and she dragged me several feet before she stopped. It gets insane!

My theory is that it is the only time they get to use their uninhibited prey drive, and be applauded for it!

 

[MyBuddy]

We've both been working outside and Annie loves being outside with us. So I remembered I had some of those cheek rolls and I thought I'd give her one to occupy her a bit. But all I had was the big ones and I didn't want her to have the whole thing at once. So I asked my husband if he could cut this in half for me. There was no way for Annie not to see it so she was glued to him and trying to help him take it to the barn.

 

[MyBuddy]

 

[MyBuddy]

Wow. Maybe 15 minutes later? She's done! That didn't take long LOL