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Dealing with arousal biting?

6 months
It’s not nipping anymore like when teething, she’s randomly biting me, assuming bc she wants something, or biting me because I said NO to whatever she shouldn’t be doing. I also spend all day with her main caretaker.
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Check out Sharon at Dobercademy on Facebook. She trains Dobermans in the UK, but has virtual group training programs which are wonderful and reasonable in price. I started working with her about a year ago with mine and I'm still continuing with her other programs. Best thing I ever did. You can follow her on Facebook and view some of her videos of her work. She has puppy, adolescent, reactivity, loose lead and VIP classes.
Thank you!
 
She’s now attempting to get onto the kitchen table and when I say NO, OFF she’ll come at me and bite me.
When you say she bites you, you say it like it's not a big deal. I've been bitten a few times (years ago at the vet clinic) and it was never anything less than a big deal to me. So I'm going to guess Pepper is not breaking skin or leaving you injured? If my dog ever laid teeth on me on purpose there would be a come-to-Jesus-meeting right then and there at that kitchen table. You gave her a command, she is not just giving you the middle finger, she's doing a face slap as well. 6 months is a puppy, yes, but way too old to let that kind of behavior slide. Remember, any time a puppy does something you don't want to see her doing as a grown ass dog, you don't let it slide.
 
When you say she bites you, you say it like it's not a big deal. I've been bitten a few times (years ago at the vet clinic) and it was never anything less than a big deal to me. So I'm going to guess Pepper is not breaking skin or leaving you injured? If my dog ever laid teeth on me on purpose there would be a come-to-Jesus-meeting right then and there at that kitchen table. You gave her a command, she is not just giving you the middle finger, she's doing a face slap as well. 6 months is a puppy, yes, but way too old to let that kind of behavior slide. Remember, any time a puppy does something you don't want to see her doing as a grown ass dog, you don't let it slide.
She has broken the skin a bit nothing major, but I have done it all nothing stops her from doing it. It’s the nips that she breaks skin with, biting is open mouth and not hard,but she’ll go for my entire arm like that. I have to hold her collar when we are out in public until she calms down. She will make weird noises and try to bite me.

When we are home it’s NO bite and off to the crate.

Sometimes the more I say NO and go to get her she’ll run off and continue to snap at me.

I don’t get what’s going on and not sure how to stop it as it seems nothing works. She won’t even note my husband.
 
She has broken the skin a bit nothing major, but I have done it all nothing stops her from doing it. It’s the nips that she breaks skin with, biting is open mouth and not hard,but she’ll go for my entire arm like that. I have to hold her collar when we are out in public until she calms down. She will make weird noises and try to bite me.

When we are home it’s NO bite and off to the crate.

Sometimes the more I say NO and go to get her she’ll run off and continue to snap at me.

I don’t get what’s going on and not sure how to stop it as it seems nothing works. She won’t even note my husband.
Definitely a big deal and getting to be too much as she won’t stop.
 
Could entering heat be causing this as well?
That's still no excuse for poor behavior. Ours might get a little emotional but they still know not to pull anything they weren't allowed to do before.
I'm guessing she's getting to her teenage phase and is going to start challenging you for all you're worth.
 
That's still no excuse for poor behavior. Ours might get a little emotional but they still know not to pull anything they weren't allowed to do before.
I'm guessing she's getting to her teenage phase and is going to start challenging you for all you're worth.
I believe so too. Vet said today maybe starting heat soon. So I have two things going against me.
Why would she only challenge me so far?
 
It does help to know it’s a temporary phase, some days it can be frustrating like you said. He is definitely teething bad right now, so I am making sure he has plenty of toys and bones to chew. I do notice that he is worse on days he gets less exercise. Usually taking another quick walk or playing with the flirt pole for a few minutes helps a lot! He is such a wonderful dog though and has made me love Dobermans even more!
@remy hows it going now?
Curious how and whats working now 9mo later...
 
Could entering heat be causing this as well?
personally, I'd say no. They can be different, but I've never seen it. This is more teenage puppy dirty acting behavior.
Why would she only challenge me so far?
You are the one that's most important to her? Like you said, you supply her training, her fun, her rules, everything. I'm not sure of the dynamics with the other humans, but you are her most important contact. This behavior suggests that you are very much the leader in your relationship and she's saying (in the most serious way she knows how) "don't you tell me what to do".

I know you are doing all you know how to do, you're trying and giving it your all to make this puppy understand. I don't for a minute think you are slacking. It's hard. Did you say you were going to order that book (The Good Dog Way)? It's everything to do with living with dogs like yours. It's so helpful to know that you aren't alone & what it takes to make things change. The book is not a how-to, but it will give you so much insight. All this stuff I don't have words for he wrote brilliantly and in an extremely easy to read format.

I know I always feel like the meany drill sergeant here, I don't want you to give up. You've come a long ways already and now you're coming up on the most rebellious time. She'll be getting bigger and stronger so you'll need to be mentally bigger and stronger to deal with her antics.

Update me - She's still wearing a collar and short leash in the house? What kind of collar in the house? What kind of collar when you take her to town? What was she doing in town that you had to grab her collar and she was making noises and still trying to bite? Furniture privileges at all? Sleeps in her crate at night? Sorry, I think I was just shocked about this, you've been posting some great progresses in so many things, I didn't realize she was still being such a stinker. :(
 
personally, I'd say no. They can be different, but I've never seen it. This is more teenage puppy dirty acting behavior.

You are the one that's most important to her? Like you said, you supply her training, her fun, her rules, everything. I'm not sure of the dynamics with the other humans, but you are her most important contact. This behavior suggests that you are very much the leader in your relationship and she's saying (in the most serious way she knows how) "don't you tell me what to do".

I know you are doing all you know how to do, you're trying and giving it your all to make this puppy understand. I don't for a minute think you are slacking. It's hard. Did you say you were going to order that book (The Good Dog Way)? It's everything to do with living with dogs like yours. It's so helpful to know that you aren't alone & what it takes to make things change. The book is not a how-to, but it will give you so much insight. All this stuff I don't have words for he wrote brilliantly and in an extremely easy to read format.

I know I always feel like the meany drill sergeant here, I don't want you to give up. You've come a long ways already and now you're coming up on the most rebellious time. She'll be getting bigger and stronger so you'll need to be mentally bigger and stronger to deal with her antics.

Update me - She's still wearing a collar and short leash in the house? What kind of collar in the house? What kind of collar when you take her to town? What was she doing in town that you had to grab her collar and she was making noises and still trying to bite? Furniture privileges at all? Sleeps in her crate at night? Sorry, I think I was just shocked about this, you've been posting some great progresses in so many things, I didn't realize she was still being such a stinker. :(
I’m shocked being the most important one she’ll give such a hard time. My husband sees her and they play and cuddle no bites. Not with me maybe cuddle sometimes, but she’ll try to bite and make weird noises. I do it all with her my boys and husband will play with her for a little and love on her. She enjoys them and reciprocates, but time with them is mostly brief.

I knew this time was coming up I am just shocked a bit. I feel defeated. She also was diagnosed with a bacterial infection today. Still no excuse.

I am going to get that book yes, I need to read up and understand and make sure I am one step ahead.

Really appreciate your support and positivity, means a lot to read that tonight. I’m truly trying so hard and that’s the part that gets me when we have these moments of her being an a hole. I worry I won’t be able to stop these outbursts and she’ll get worse as she grows. She only gets angrier the more I say NO and if I need to grab her for her crate it makes it worse. She’ll snap at my leg on the way to her crate.

Don’t get me wrong we’ve had a lot of progress and she’s doing really well, we had a good run lol, but it’s been recent she’s just wigging out on me. This week she’s really been pushing it with biting me. Today she got upset when we left the park and went to the car, assuming she didn’t want to go and sit in her seat. She’ll also be fine in the car and then go into her rage mode out of nowhere.

Leash in the house martingale collar for inside and outside. Maybe prong now as she needs corrections for when she has these rage moments? I wanted to get a prong at 6 months which she is soon. Only allowed on a chair and den sofa when she is asked to come UP. If she acts poorly when on there, told to get OFF. Crate for naps and nighttime with her door closed to it. Must stay in a down when food is being made and preform a command, then LOOK eye contact before she’s released for her meal. Hand feed some breakfast, hand feed all lunch, hand feed some dinner.

Again thank you ❤️ helped ease my mind.
 
What do you do when she bites you? Her biting at you has been a slight concern of mine since you mentioned she was doing this during nail time as a young puppy. I would leave a leash on her at all times so you don't have to grab for her collar. Honestly, the first time she bit at me I would have had a come to jesus moment/put the fear of god into her, as harsh as it sounds. I think she's past the time out chances to recollect herself and needs a very harsh correction to knock that crap off immediately. This isn't simple innocent puppy play biting that needs redirected. This is completely unacceptable behavior. This could potentially be dangerous behavior in only a few months and it sounds like she's taking it one step further every time she is able to practice it.

They should only need ONE of these hard corrections and then never again. If she needs more, we're looking at possible genetic behavior issues or a health related reason. If she were slightly older I'd recommend having her thyroid checked with a full thyroid panel. Usually that isn't needed until around a year old though.

Once thats settled, then work with her at another time for collar grabs. Grab for her collar and feed a treat at the same time. Practice this over and over again and many sessions. Always make collar grabbing a good thing. Once she associates it with a good thing start asking her to come into you by reaching out to cue her, but keep the treat close to your body and back up. She needs to come TO YOU to get the reward as you touch the collar.
 
What do you do when she bites you? Her biting at you has been a slight concern of mine since you mentioned she was doing this during nail time as a young puppy. I would leave a leash on her at all times so you don't have to grab for her collar. Honestly, the first time she bit at me I would have had a come to jesus moment/put the fear of god into her, as harsh as it sounds. I think she's past the time out chances to recollect herself and needs a very harsh correction to knock that crap off immediately. This isn't simple innocent puppy play biting that needs redirected. This is completely unacceptable behavior. This could potentially be dangerous behavior in only a few months and it sounds like she's taking it one step further every time she is able to practice it.

They should only need ONE of these hard corrections and then never again. If she needs more, we're looking at possible genetic behavior issues or a health related reason. If she were slightly older I'd recommend having her thyroid checked with a full thyroid panel. Usually that isn't needed until around a year old though.

Once thats settled, then work with her at another time for collar grabs. Grab for her collar and feed a treat at the same time. Practice this over and over again and many sessions. Always make collar grabbing a good thing. Once she associates it with a good thing start asking her to come into you by reaching out to cue her, but keep the treat close to your body and back up. She needs to come TO YOU to get the reward as you touch the collar.
She and I had a come to Jesus this morning. Her reaction was clear she understands she isn’t to bite at me or bite me at all.
I’ve been too passive with her biting corrections and she is almost 6 months now and this must stop.

We will see how the day goes, but from her reaction this morning she knew exactly what she did was unacceptable.

Thank you for all your advice @Rits, appreciate it.
 

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