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Zeuss attacked again, why????

Discussion in 'Doberman Talk and Discussions' started by tatlim, Dec 19, 2010.

  1. tatlim

    tatlim Jr Member

    My daughter took our boy for a walk this morning and he was attacked by another Doberman, he was a lot bigger than Zeuss and had him pinned to the ground, he has drawn blood in quite a few places on his head and neck, the owner just kept walking never attempted to help, my daughter looks small and powerless but looks can be deceiving, she hit the other dog with the metal clip on the lead and he ran away.
    The thing i dont understand is that Zuess ahs been attacked 3 times in the 4 months weve had him and every time by another dobie, why does this happen, every other dog is fine with him, hes submissive, non threatening, does everything right and still they attack him.
    Thought i would see if anybody could throw any light on this.
    xx tina

     
  2. Ingrid H

    Ingrid H Hot Topics Subscriber $ Forum Donor $

    Oh man! Poor Zeuss! It's just bizzare to me that all these attacks have come from other dobermans and no other breeds. For one thing, I'm one of two dog owners at my vet's office who even has dobermans (they are really rare in Maine) and I can't understand why this aggression is only coming from dobermans toward your boy. I've heard that dobes recognize their own kind, but why one would want to attack a submissive and non-threatening is beyond me. I hope someone more knowledgeable than I am can shed some light on this for you.
     
  3. FredC

    FredC Guest

    WOW!!! that is odd.. I couldnt imagine what would be the root cause of this.. But WTF is up with the owners of these other Dobermans? They sound very irresponsible and something should be done about their dogs, sounds to me like the issues are with them..
    Sorry i cant be of any help here, but its ridicules that these other owners cant take responsibility for their dogs actions..
     
  4. Apollo

    Apollo Novitiate

    Is Zeus neuter ? were the other dogs neuter or intact ? were they all males ?
     
  5. tatlim

    tatlim Jr Member

    I did wonder about that, hes not neutered the vet said he needed to build his confidence (hes a fearful rescue), not sure wether the other dogs were male or not, i did think maybe they can smell the testosterone? but that doesnt explain why its only Dobies?
    xx tina
     
  6. Dobs4ever

    Dobs4ever Hot Topics Subscriber

    That is very strange. It is like he is a magnet. First where are you walking him???? Were you aware of the other Dobermans in the neighborhood??? If so I would not walk in that neighborhood regardless. Zeuss will have problems from this and could become dog aggressive as a personal defense mechanism. Start carrying a big stick as you walk and you must continually look in all directions. People make me sick who let their dogs loose and then don't even try to help.

    I am always afraid when I have my dogs out anywhere in public and watchful in case a strange dog should be loose. I would kill the other dog without hesitation as I have the right to walk my dogs without fear of attack.

    Can you find out who owners these dogs and report them??? I would sue them for damages- and retraining.
     
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  7. Dobieone

    Dobieone Notable member

    Good points here. I would definitely carry something for protection. I don't know how these people could be so insensitive and walk away, leaving your daughter with her injured dog! Total morons. Turn the tables and bring the tank in (Rudy my big red boy) and he aggressively attacks their dog, I'm sure they would want me arrested. Fortunately I don't have to have my dogs near other dogs, except for a visit to the vet. And while at the vet, they are on a short leash. I would just have to tell people, please keep your distance. These people have no common sense! As D4Ever said, protect yourself and your dog! That dog could have easily attacked your daughter before the moron owner could have pulled it off. Good Luck!
     
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  8. Ingrid H

    Ingrid H Hot Topics Subscriber $ Forum Donor $

    Unfortunately, due to where Tina lives her options are very limited on what she can carry for protection. A walking stick is about all that is allowed in her part of the world. I'd have suggested pepper spray, but I believe it's illegal too.

    Since Zeuss is not neutered and seems to be drawing all these attacks, I'd suggest avoiding areas where there may be other dogs present, but that's pretty obvious advice. I know Tina isn't going to "dog parks", but it seems to me that they have looser leash laws in the UK. You never know when you are going to encounter loose dogs there in parks or walking trails. Even walking down a street on the sidewalk one could meet an unleashed dog.

    Neutering probably wouldn't solve the problem. Zeuss is about 3 years old isn't he? He's got whatever behaviors that are drawing this unwanted "attention" from other dobes by now. It's really puzzling to me why it's only dobes attacking Zeuss. The only solution I see it to walk tall and carry a big stick.
     
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  9. Dobieone

    Dobieone Notable member

    I was going to mention pepper spray Ingrid, but figured that was probably illegal. A good cane would work. Just walk like you need to use it! If this happened to my daughter I would be on the hunt for the azzhole who let this happen and walked away. If my dog did this for some reason, I would tie him up and help Zeuss and Tina, not just walk away!
    I used pepper spray as a Trooper. If you had time to pull it out, aim it and spray it, you were lucky. Dogs are just too quick unless you have it in hand with your finger on the button.
     
  10. Ingrid H

    Ingrid H Hot Topics Subscriber $ Forum Donor $

    I totally believe you Dobieone. Thats one of the reasons I haven't invested in pepper spray myself. My plan is to just kick the living snot out of any dog that has a bite on one of my dogs. I keep my dogs on leash in any situation where I suspect there may be other dogs around. That way, I can defend them because they are close to me. I've only had to launch a yorkie with my foot so far.

    That was good thinking of the daughter to use the metal clasp of a leash to whack that attacking dog! Bravo!
     
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  11. DoUrden

    DoUrden Novitiate

    Personally, since walking sticks can break, I think I would invest in a strong, lightweight, golfclub!
    Have I mentioned lately that "I hate stupid people!"? What happened to manners and common sense?
    Poor Zeus. I truly hate to hear that this keeps happening to him this way... :(
     
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  12. tatlim

    tatlim Jr Member

    My daughter actually took Zeuss to a different place today, she totally did the right thing with him, as soon as the attack was over she carried on as if nothing had happened, Zeuss then had a bit of a play with a Boxer girly and a terrier, she knew if she fussed him or brought him straight home he would have made something of it.
    She did tell the man his dog should be on a lead...he didnt even acknowledge her, kept walking, then she said it had taken months to get him to the level he was at and he had just undone all that work....still nothing he kept walking. He obviously has no control over his dog and it should be reported, that could have been a child, its very near a play park.
    He is a very slight boy, no weight on him at all, he didnt stand a chance and she said he was on the floor yelping. bless him.
    We are not allowed to have dogs loose on the street but on walks people do let their dogs loose, why would you let your dog free if hes a danger!!!!
    Its irrisponsible owners that are to blame, poor training and socialising.
    Grrrrrrr
    xx tina
     
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  13. Dobieone

    Dobieone Notable member

    Good for your daughter Tina, she handled it great! And he the other guy isn't a man, he is a coward! DeDe the golf club is a good idea. I see a lot of retired people who walk and carry a golf club. I think a 9 iron would work well.
    I don't know Tina, I'm blessed that my house sits 700 feet off the road and they can run around the yard. We put Fritz down last week, our black rescue male. He was so abused he would never defend himself. I can picture this dog attacking Fritz. Makes me sick! Fortunately Fritzy ran free without ever wearing a collar on our property. I think common sense, manners and admitting when you're wrong went out the window in the late 60's.
     
  14. JanS

    JanS DCF Owner Administrative Staff Moderator Hot Topics Subscriber

    Holy cow, poor Zeus... :( I don't have much to add to the good advice that you've already received, but all I can say is "damn those owners!". In effect, they're giving all Dobe owners an unfair bad name.
     
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  15. Ingrid H

    Ingrid H Hot Topics Subscriber $ Forum Donor $

    I'm glad to hear that your daughter handled the situation so well! Two thumbs up for her!
     
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  16. BreesMom

    BreesMom Novitiate

    I have to agree you should be very proud of your daughter and the way she handled the whole thing!! I really think that man should be hunted down and MADE to leash his dog...maybe even muzzle it!!!
     
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  17. tatlim

    tatlim Jr Member

    She is brilliant with him, after they got home he just stood with his head in her lap or just looking up at her adoringly.
    She has always wanted to work with animals and is now talking about going on a dog handling course, she wants to have her own dog walking business, we have also just applied to get her on a ttouch half day course.
    Shes not a child shes 25, she seems to have an affinity with animals and hope she follows through with her dream....shes a bit airy fairy and talks a good talk but cant be arsed with the effort. ha ha.
    xx tina.
     
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  18. nc_dobemom

    nc_dobemom Novitiate

    Man I hate to hear about poor Zeus! I am glad he is okay!
    Maybe the attacks are happening because he IS so unsecure and fearful? I think there's a thin line between a dominate dog that will cause attacks on itself that way and one that is so scared other dogs feel the need to "pick on it".
    Zeus' demeanor may be one of the "weakest link" and the other Dobermans especially pick up on this causing them to want to get rid of this weak pack member.
    Even though he isn't in their PACK per se, IMO anytime more then 2 dogs are together a pack dynamic is going to occur. You will have your alpha and your omega, with any other dogs somewhere in between.
    Maybe Zeus needs small less assertive friends? Some breeds just have that bigger then life personality. A well bred Lab, Golden, Boxer, Dane, Mastiff all are big dog but general are easy going and won't be overly dominating. LOL Sorry I went all Dog Whisperer on yall! hahahhahah!
     
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  19. lynz

    lynz Novitiate

    Poor Zeus.

    I carry a metal dog lead in my pocket. You know the ones with a leather handle? I dont use it but i like it for my safety purpose and at least its something you are allowed to have here. After all it may be for your dog!

    I have no reason why he is getting attacked though. We dont see any Dobermans around here, the only thing that will attack Cayden is Newfoundlands, they hate him and we now take a different route when we see them coming.

    I hope you can workout what it is.
     
  20. heidi's mom

    heidi's mom Notable member

    sorry for your poor guy, try Direct Stop spray
     

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