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What People Don’t Know about HSUS’ Deception for $$$$

Discussion in 'Canine News/Informative Articles' started by petdefense, Jul 19, 2012.

  1. Teufelhund in AZ

    Teufelhund in AZ Active Member

    I was thinking the same thing Von. :)

     
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  2. Jeremy Scott

    Jeremy Scott Novitiate

    VonDoom, this is 'information' from Petdefense, a website that represents Humane Watch/Center for Consumer Freedom - exposed for their lies on 60 Minutes, ABC, NBC, CBS, Wikipedia, LA Times and New York Times.
    Center for Consumer Freedom - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    The Center for Consumer Freedom - representing the corporate interests of the food industry - tells pregnant mothers that mercury in seafood is safe to eat, and that trans fats are not harmful. I guess you believe that too.

    Any advice HSUS gives shelters is free, as well as resources, data, individualized training and analysis of operations is free, including one on one assistance through webinars and conference calls. Most shelter issues can be resolved this way - and thousands of shelters across the country take advantage of these services. Some shelters need an overhauling where HSUS professionals travel and spend considerable time at the shelter in a collaborative effort with several professionals, and that does cost money. Cherry picking information is a propaganda tool used in order to mislead and distort the truth - also called lies of omission.
     
  3. DocReverto

    DocReverto Formerly CRD


    Cherry picking is a bullshit cop-out. Your time and travel do cost money, but 25k???? I can see no honest situation where you can charge a shelter 25k for an "overhaul". These shelters are not farting out cash, it is a joke to bill a not for profit company that much for a consult.
     
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  4. Jeremy Scott

    Jeremy Scott Novitiate


    The AKC rakes in over 20 milion a year for registering puppy mill dogs and has a vested interest in seeing puppy mills thrive. So they tell the small breeders (through groups like NAIA) 'better not let those crazy extremists get a foot in the door, before you know it, the vegan boogey man will come and confiscate your pets and force tofu down your throat". I believe the AKC opposes all humane legislation in favor of industry interests (although I am not saying the AKC is all bad either, especially when it come to funding health research, and some dog clubs are doing amazing work in furthering the health of their breed, and standards are moving more to health than appearance - all these things are good:)
    Please show me where to find proof of Wayne Pacelle's real purpose, and I will look into it, and get back to you. Lol, even if getting rid of pets was Pacelle's real agenda, do you think the public would ever allow that to happen? I wouldn't and none of the HSUS supporters I know would either, especially since most of them are meat eaters, and plenty also want to be able to purchase healthy purebred dogs.

    When HSUS passed the recent wave of anti-puppy mill legislation, over a thousand mills closed in a relatively short period of time, and many more are continuing to close. To me, this shows these laws were both needed and effective in eliminating the worst of the puppy mills.

    I must be naive, never in a million years would I imagine that the small responsible breeders in the pet fancy world would think it's ok to be a mouth piece for the puppy mill industry. When I realized that some (not all) contributors on this thread thought that it was ok, I did not think my contributions on here would help the animals. But here I am trying again...
    I think it's reasonable to want HSUS to give more help to shelters, and reasonable for small breeders to be exempt from regulations that could potentially hurt them. I don't think it's reasonable to promote the lies of the animal exploiters as this only further hurts animals.
    Here is one of the fear mongering tactics the exploiters use to scare breeders into believing that getting a foot in the door will lead to no meat or pets.
    From Wikipedia
    Slippery slope






    In debate or rhetoric, a slippery slope (also known as thin end of the wedge - or sometimes "edge" in US English - or the camel's nose) is a classic form of argument, arguably an informal fallacy. A slippery slope argument states that a relatively small first step leads to a chain of related events culminating in some significant effect, much like an object given a small push over the edge of a slope sliding all the way to the bottom.[1] The strength of such an argument depends on the warrant, i.e. whether or not one can demonstrate a process which leads to the significant effect. The fallacious sense of "slippery slope" is often used synonymously with continuum fallacy, in that it ignores the possibility of middle ground and assumes a discrete transition from category A to category B. Modern usage avoids the fallacy by acknowledging the possibility of this middle ground.
     
  5. Dobs4ever

    Dobs4ever Hot Topics Subscriber

    Jermy if you want to talke about slippery slope and lies and innuendos then you had better study your friend Wayne Pacelle. If you want to talk about frauding the US consuer then what do you say about the exhorbant salary Whiney Wayne pulls down each ear to scam the public???

    HSUS is the last place I would want anyone to go to get info on how to improve anything for shelters, puppy mills, etc.

    And AKC is a registry and started long before puppy milles and shelters became a big thing. They have stayed true to their original purpose - REGISTERING purebred dogs. While we might not like the wya it has turned out it is still not a new scam started like HSUS.

    You can argue here til dooms day and you won't change honest dog lovers mnds because we know the dangers involved in the supposedly "changes for improvement". We already have the way to do it and not cost the tax payer any more money.

    Wayne reminds me strongly of the TV evangelist who scam little old folks out of their hard earned money while they jet set around and wear 5,000 Italian silk suits. Yep it is all about the image to Whiney Wayne. GAG GAG GAG
     
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  6. Jeremy Scott

    Jeremy Scott Novitiate

    I agree that CEO's of non-profits earn too much, but that is a problem that is across the board. And Wayne Pacelle actually earns far less than most.
    The CEO of the Humane Society, Wayne Pacelle, earns $250,000 a year.
    The CEO of the AKC earns $737,000. CEO's of the American Red Cross, American Farm Bureau, American Meat Institute and ASPCA all earn considerably more than Wayne Pacelle.

    I'm not sure why you say HSUS is a scam when they are clearly doing a great job passing humane legislation and rescuing animals - and are recognized for their accomplishments and fiscal responsibility, by credible sources. One needs to look no further than the anti-cruelty laws on the books today, most are because of HSUS.
    Over one thousand puppy mills have closed in the last few years because of humane legislation. One of the largest puppy mill brokers just closed, saying they could not stay in business because of animal rights regulations.
    One of the Largest Puppy Brokers Shuts Its Doors! | ASPCA Blog
    And here is HSUS's most recent rescue of 200 dogs from deplorable kennel conditions.
    The HSUS Assists in Rescue of Nearly 200 Chihuahuas from Columbia County Property : The Humane Society of the United States
    I keep hearing about HSUS being a scam on here, but noone is saying why. Can anyone explain?
    Can you please tell me how you propose to stop puppy mill cruelty without animal protection groups?

    Yes, the AKC is a registry but they also lobby against any humane legislation for puppy mill dogs. Patti Strand, AKC board member started NAIA, the National Alliance Interest Association, which lobbies against humane legislation in puppy mills, factory farms, animal labs, rodeos, etc. They also promote AR propaganda similar to Humane Watch. Almost all AKC pet breeder associations and dog clubs have links to NAIA websites (and many dog clubs also have Humane Watch information).
    American Kennel Club - SourceWatch
     
  7. Jeremy Scott

    Jeremy Scott Novitiate

    Asking HSUS to fund shelters is like saying the American Heart Association should pay for a heart patient's medical bills. Even though HSUS's mission is not to fund shelters, they still offer shelters huge support and ease their burden by shutting down mills.

    I agree that $25,000 seems like too much for a consultation. I will look into that as I want to understand how that huge amount is justified, and if these even represent the correct amounts.
     
  8. Marinegeekswife

    Marinegeekswife Hot Topics Subscriber

    The biggest problem is that is exactly what they make their mission sound like in those commercials to the general public. Like if they donate their dollars it will go directly to helping shelter animals and to missions where HSUS people go in and shut down puppy mills and that is far from the truth. It goes to legislation and salaries more than anything else. If they are going to present themselves as being personal animal saviors then THAT is what they should be.
     
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  9. Gelcoater

    Gelcoater Expert ThreadCrapper $ Premium Subscriber $ Hot Topics Subscriber

    Tell us,Jeremy Scott...dog lover,what kind of dog do you have?What's your dogs name? Titles?etc.
    You have made 10 posts on this forum,all in this thread. Post something that would make me or anyone else believe your anything but a trouble making troll.
     
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  10. Tasha & Boris' Mom

    Tasha & Boris' Mom Hot Topics Subscriber

    Jeremy,
    dear if your argument resolves to a statement "the public will never" you are sadly misinformed. The "public" just destroyed the strongest healthcare system in the world and blink through confused eyes as to what is happening to them. The public usually doesn't quite understand whats happened until its to late to change it.

    You can't be so blind to think that the core values and directives of any organization will not eventually become the realized goal. You can't regulate behavior, you have to educate and model values. Our government was never designed to provide governing regulations but to protect personal freedoms. As non-profit organizations the purpose is to provide a service that is needed while supporting itself. Hiding behind a 501c3 and using the tragedies of some careless, criminal or ignorant people to rack in multi millions of dollars is just a simple crime and should not be sorted by the fact that they sometimes do something right. Serial killers sometimes do right! The point is these multi billion dollar groups have long since lost thier focus despite the intention when they were formed which is evidenced simply by the fact that the problem still presents itself as strong or stronger than when it started. If a fraction of the money spent to lobby or even on advertisements in this country we would have the greatest animal support system in the world.

    Summary: Don't send your money to outside sources instead donate to your local shelter and animal control! Volunteers are also greatly appreciated

    This opinio has been brought to you by the Morse household now back to your regularly scheduled debate :p
     
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  11. Dobs4ever

    Dobs4ever Hot Topics Subscriber

    EXCUSE me - then why did they paint them selves as the HUMANE SOCIETY OF THE US??? To mislead the public into thinking that they helped shelters nationwide and to scam scam scam.

    I think you better chieck out Whiney Wayne's annual income figure again. Frank Lousey is working hard to get the info needed to nail them on improper use of a non-profit organization Tax status. The only thing they do to help shelters is show up the first day to be sure they get the press. But not a dime of that money will help a shelter in need. Shelters can't even apply to them for help because they get turned down by this vry charitable organization - GAG GAG GAG

    Sorry I misspelled your name Jeremy.[/QUOTE]
     
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  12. Twisted_Angel

    Twisted_Angel Hot Topics Subscriber

    I'm so confused... I'll come back to this when I get on the computer. Easier to read.

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  13. Jeremy Scott

    Jeremy Scott Novitiate

    Crow Ravens Dad, I learned that the HSUS revamped their shelter program two years ago so that all HSUS work on behalf of shelters is now free and done remotely.
    Before that time, HSUS worked on a sliding scale fee and did a lot of pro bono work for shelters too. Thes high amounts are the exception rather than the rule.

    For example, the $25,000 Dallas work represented a team of professional who worked for an extended period, with ongoing follow-up work. (Dallas is not only a shelter but they have a huge animal services department, and they were riddled with problems.) Some shelters have $10 million budgets (and more) who are not struggling financially but need help in other ways.

     
  14. Gelcoater

    Gelcoater Expert ThreadCrapper $ Premium Subscriber $ Hot Topics Subscriber

    :scratch:
     
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  15. FredC

    FredC Guest

    Jeremy are you by chance affiliated with the HSUS in any way?
     
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  16. Gelcoater

    Gelcoater Expert ThreadCrapper $ Premium Subscriber $ Hot Topics Subscriber

    What on earth would make you think that Von?;)
     
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  17. Tasha & Boris' Mom

    Tasha & Boris' Mom Hot Topics Subscriber

    :rofl:ok let me make sure I am getting this ,before they reorganized they showed up and charged to much, now they don't get paid so they don't show up right????

    :pa:
    sorry I couldn't resists :cool:
     
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  18. Marinegeekswife

    Marinegeekswife Hot Topics Subscriber

    My favorite part. :rofl: Where they hell did you come up with a number like that?!
     
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  19. DocReverto

    DocReverto Formerly CRD


    Common fact 60% of statistics are made up 137% of the time.

    All joking aside I heard some shelters have a 300 billion dollar budget. They actually have events where they take all the dogs golfing. Some of the dogs even have their own financial advisors......

    Found it on google, must be true.
     
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  20. Jeremy Scott

    Jeremy Scott Novitiate

    As I stated in another post, I do not work for HSUS and am not affiliated with them. I have purebred dogs, I'm active in local rescue but also feel a lot for the suffering of the factory farmed animals, puppy mill dogs, etc.
     

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