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Want to Become Breeder in Future; Where to Start?

Discussion in 'Doberman Breeders' started by Pudding, Jan 24, 2018.

  1. GennyB

    GennyB Moderator Hot Topics Subscriber


    You haven't seen anything yet. ;) I can think of a few breeders that would hang you by your boy parts from the highest tree. :eek:
    They can be like lions that are fiercely protecting their cubs. Some can be put off how competitive the doberman breeding world is. When you think about it, it might be a good thing, knowledgeable people competing for the best. :thumbsup2:

     
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  2. Tropicalbri's

    Tropicalbri's $ Premium Subscriber $ Hot Topics Subscriber $ Forum Donor $

    This is why I am owned by Dobermanns and not a breeder.
    I know about the medical aspects, emergency care, basic and extended maintenance for ailing and healthy animals because I work in the field. The genetics and breeding are way beyond my comfort zone. I leave that to the expert breeders while I learn all I can about this specific breed so I can raise healthy Dobermanns and know what signs to look for regarding their health and diseases they are plagued with. I am a proactive owner, not reactive.
     
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  3. Regalis

    Regalis Notable member

    Very, very few people grasp genetics. It's an ever evolving field as well, so what we know today may be minimal to what we know next year. Or may not be as accurate as we once thought. There's a reason geneticists are rare and make big bucks. It's a ridiculously complex field in humans, even more so in dogs where less is known. And for our breed, genetics is more important than ever, atleast if we wish to see the breed not fizzle out.

    Which brings me to - anyone who's goal is to breed but not work towards strengthening the breed as a whole seriously needs to reevaluate. We have enough genetically defective Dobermanns as is, we do not need more.
     
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  4. Sir.duke865

    Sir.duke865 Member

    I’m into the genetics because for me it gives me a chance to not only see what I’m buying but also future potential which lets me get a complete picture of my new addition. And IF I breed my dobe I pass on all knowledge and they can actually get a full picture as well and I personally would not breed duke for profit it would be solely because I LOVE what duke him self brings to my home family and life. And MY female will have to meet all the same standards I looked for in duke and I don’t mean fancy papers at all. I may just be picky but I searched for a year before getting duke. Call it overzealous or dobe fanatic as I believe it was earlier stated
     
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  5. Pudding

    Pudding Jr Member

    I do stop and think about it, as you mentioned. Everyone's opinion is valuable to me. But also, let's remember this forum is a lot like stepping into a room full of cat lovers and asking them whether cats are superior to dogs. The answer is predictable. And threads like this one, when loud personalities speak up as if anyone who thinks different is foolish, creates groupthink and effectively squashes the opposition from expressing themselves for fear of being demonized. Gotta consider that as well.

    Did we not previously establish that we don't agree on this? Two people can disagree and that's OK. But the fact that you disagree does not mean you're correct and I'm wrong. I can live with disagreement.

    I believe it. But I'm not interested in turning this into something nasty. I like to discuss things in a civil, respectful way. And if anyone hopes to change my viewpoint they'll have to keep things civil and respectful.

    I understand your perspective. I, however, am NOT owned by Dobermans. I am owned only by God. I am master and alpha over a Doberman. And I also love my Doberman very much.
     
  6. Sir.duke865

    Sir.duke865 Member

    Not being harsh just practical who goes to a cat forum and asks that question tho , just like why go ask dobie fanatics how to become a breeder of dobies um of course they are going to have high standards for the breed isn’t that perfect pal what we all seek in our dobie regardless who is alpha or so or so fourth
     
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  7. LifeofRubie

    LifeofRubie Notable member

    I get a little frustrated with this topic because people join this forum to get a wealth of knowledge and experience in one place and in a VERY civil way. Based on the posts I've seen come from you with different questions or concerns, you seem to generally agree with many of the perspectives here and respect the advice given and perhaps even follow it.

    When this topic comes up and someone hears advice they weren't hoping for, they get defensive. You have all sorts of levels of owners with all sorts of years of different experience and they're all saying, "unless you are 100% invested in the betterment of the breed through education and careful mentorship, breeding it NOT advised and it certainly isn't profitable" and it goes in one ear and out the other.

    Yes, people have differing opinions, but everyone from new owner to experienced breeder/shower is giving you the same advice which should make you think it's mostly *right.* Or at least in the best interest of the breed we're all passionate about.
     
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  8. Pudding

    Pudding Jr Member

    It was theoretical. Either way, I now have some things to consider. Although my sole reason for possibly breeding is not to make money, I can't do it if I lose money. So either way that may be a deal-breaker for me. I've also learned how seriously some people take this topic and how high they've set the bar for quality breeders. I have a lot to think about now.

    No, it doesn't go in one ear and out the other. I consider it carefully. But let's not overstate things; there are lots of owners on here, but all of us are fanatical enough about the breed to signup on a Doberman only forum and post. This is definitely a select niche of people and in no way does it represent the thoughts of Doberman owners as a whole.
     
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  9. Kaiser2016

    Kaiser2016 Active Member

    I get what you're saying. It may feel that way but I don't think that's what's happening :)

    The response has been strong because people here are definitely passionate, but their passion is also what makes this place so helpful. It is fun for me to talk about my dog because he's a new and exciting discovery to me as a first time Dobe/dog owner, but I don't consider myself to be fanatical at all. I just have a major learning curve which I'm trying to fix because I take my ownership of a Doberman (and all those teeth!) very seriously.

    Ironically, I think the only people here that are probably the true definition of fanatical, are the breeders! :woot2:
     
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  10. Pudding

    Pudding Jr Member

    @Kaiser2016 Thanks for your kind words. Truthfully I'm feeling like most people posting on this thread have the view that their opinion is the only opinion that matters and if I disagree then I'm an idiot.
     
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  11. GOD'S GRACE

    GOD'S GRACE Notable member

    No Sir...nobody thinks your an idiot...Realize everyone cares...for you, your Dobe and your future...kind of like a bigger brother or sister...:)
     
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  12. Sir.duke865

    Sir.duke865 Member

    @Pudding Or maybe people wanna have someone to ask breed specific questions since not all breeds are the same. Being knowledgeable does not make you a fanatic. Neither does a desire to learn and keep learning, I am glad to hear you say you have a lot to consider, because this is my first time EVER on a forum but duke is not my first dobie and I’m extremely straight forward when I look to purchase from a breeder, I look at the complete dobe from the parents to the pup evaluate the pup to best of my abilities from what I’ve learned from ring judges, temperament and drive is the biggest thing for me as that is part of what draws me to this breed, health testing is a mandatory for any responsible breeders so that’s a given and knowledge from the owners as I ask a lot of questions and do want to see genetic proof not just hear oh I haven’t had any issues for the parents plus if I breed I want genetics that will complement each other and while doing everything possible to avoid health issues but what I’m getting at is online in forums is NOT the only place you will encounter these types of personalities or feelings towards breeders. I personally don’t go that far(unless it’s something flat crazy going on) but some people will actually report you have you banned as a breeder and so on and so fourth if they feel you as a irresponsible breeder so be prepared for the good bad and ugly when you step into the breeder field if it’s something you actually pursue. I’m all for more breeders breeding top quality dobies as that’s exactly what this breed and any breed for that matter deserves.
     
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  13. Regalis

    Regalis Notable member

    Few things ...

    If you think this forum is fanatical, oh boy, you've not seen anything yet when it comes to Dobes and their humans. We're the sane bunch. Hell, they welcomed me with open arms despite owning a mix (other forums would never do such a thing).

    What we DO all tend to have in common is a genuine passion for animals. Several members do not own dobes. Some own several. Many of us own/have owned many breeds and species of animals. That's to say, a lot of us have been around the block, so to speak. I'm confident that had you asked about breeding ANY animal species, the results would have been the same. Because we care.

    Profit. If losing money is out of the question, please, for the love of all things, do NOT breed. There are no guarantees with breeding and one minor issue can put any potential profit margin down the drain. An emergency c section, one ill pup - you will lose big bucks. And neither of those are "rare" occurrences even for the best breeders. That's assuming you even had a profit margin to start with, which is unlikely.

    Idiot? No. But you have several members here with years, decades, some lifetimes of experience all saying virtually the same thing. Why do you think that is? It's not just because it's easier to go with the flow here. A lot of us have differences and we are pretty darn open about them. But we are all friends first and foremost. We may not always agree (really, head over to the political area ...) But we DO treat each other civilly and with respect, even if we disagree.
     
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  14. Tropicalbri's

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    That was not a religious declaration, simply a tongue in cheek attempt at humor, which obviously soared above human height.
    I am merely a shepherd of what God created and not an owner. I don’t think you can truly own a living breathing thing, whether it be plant, sky, stars, human or animal.
    The subject matter is one of great passion as is evidenced by the responses, however I wouldn’t call the responses fanatical, more experienced logic.
     
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  15. Regalis

    Regalis Notable member

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  16. Sir.duke865

    Sir.duke865 Member

    @Regalis it gets no clearer lol and I feel like that’s on the lower side of things let’s not even talk about those who go above and beyond with it, importing and implanting then chances the female doesn’t take plus any health issues that may come up and the treatment so on and so forth omg you’ll end up needing a loan or refinancing a house, about a litter lol
     
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  17. Regalis

    Regalis Notable member

    It IS fairly conservative, especially with veterinary costs sky rocketing.

    It also doesn't factor in that many health tests are yearly, not one off things. It's also lacking some tests. But none the less, it brings the point home that the cost alone is astronomical.
     
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  18. LifeofRubie

    LifeofRubie Notable member

    I like this one, too, from Prima. They're very passionate about their dogs and I love reading her stuff.

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    Sorry for the grey on black!
     
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  19. Kaiser2016

    Kaiser2016 Active Member

    Experts can make novices feel that way without knowing it. They're just trying to prevent a bad experiment, which is what it sounded like you were getting yourself into :laughing:

    As for being an idiot, you're more of a wild card - one day you poured beer over Ruger's head, the next day you built a custom crate for him. It's hard to tell what you'll do next. Just my two cents.
     
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  20. Kaiser2016

    Kaiser2016 Active Member

    Yes, I love Prima too!
     
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