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Thoughts on Solid Gold?

Discussion in 'Doberman Nutritional Care' started by DobieAxle, Feb 12, 2019.

  1. DobieAxle

    DobieAxle New Member

    i just got my puppy he’s now 8 weeks and I’ve been transitioning him to Solid Gold Barking at the Moon. It’s a very high protein dog food and on dog food advisor it’s 4 star dry food. It is grain free though, as I’m transitioning him im starting to see more stuff about grain free foods and that it leads to dcm.. how true is it and has anybody tried Solid Gold? Do you like it?

    Solid Gold Grain Free Dog Food | Review | Rating | Recalls

     
  2. GennyB

    GennyB Moderator Hot Topics Subscriber

    Is there a reason you went with grain free? Maybe an allergy to grain? I personally wouldn't feed grain free and this thread will tell you why Taurine Deficiency and DCM Due to Diet
    Dobermans are at a high risk of DCM, estimates that up to 70% will die from it. We still just don't know enough about it. While it is not thought that dobies suffer from this type of DCM, we don't know what turns the genes on so you gotta ask yourself if it's worth the risk?
     
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  3. DobieAxle

    DobieAxle New Member


    No I personally thought grain free was better (at least for my other dogs they seem to do fine, non Doberman) but as I read More I am seeing it’s best to not to do grain free with Doberman. I will be switching his food after reading articles and the one you provided. Thank you!
     
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  4. Ddski5

    Ddski5 Hot Topics Subscriber $ Forum Donor $

    Just be careful of what you choose because reasons on not to use grain free is that they use plant based protein instead of meat based.

    Ingredients such as peas, lentils, legumes, and potatoes.

    This is last years article and more has been put out there but this is kinda short and sweet on the situation. Some folks even say this info is a fad and is not to be worried about.

    Do your own diligence and research. For me? I switched because it made sense.


    FDA Answers Questions About Possible Link Between Diet and Heart Disease in Dogs


    August 22, 2018
    FDA Answers Questions About Possible Link Between Diet and Heart Disease in Dogs
    Last month, the FDA warned veterinarians and pet owners about reports of dilated cardiomyopathy (DCM) in dogs eating pet foods that contained peas, lentils, legume seeds, or potatoes as the main ingredients. Understandably, pet owners and veterinary professionals flooded the agency with questions and concerns regarding the potential link.

    Although the investigation is ongoing, the FDA Center for Veterinary Medicine (CVM) recently offered answers to some of the most common questions about this issue.

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    1. What potential connection is the FDA investigating?
    FDA is investigating a potential dietary link between DCM and dogs eating certain pet foods containing legumes, such as peas or lentils, other legume seeds, or potatoes, as main ingredients. The investigation began after the CVM received a number of reports of DCM in dogs eating these diets. Although the disease is not considered rare in dogs, the reports are unusual because many of the cases occurred in breeds not typically genetically prone to DCM in dogs that were fed the same type of diet (labeled as “grain-free”).

    2. What is the FDA doing about this possible connection?
    The CVM and the Veterinary Laboratory Investigation and Response Network—a collaboration of government and veterinary diagnostic laboratories—are investigating this potential association. They are working with board-certified veterinary cardiologists and veterinary nutritionists to better understand the clinical presentation of the cases.

    The agency also has been in contact with pet food manufacturers to discuss these reports and to help further the investigation. In addition, the FDA is analyzing information from case reports submitted by pet owners and veterinarians and will continue to work with all of these stakeholders to help advance the investigation.

    3. Why did the FDA notify the public about the possible connection if the agency doesn’t have definitive answers?
    While it is early in the investigation, the CVM felt a responsibility to shed light on an early signal that it was made aware of and to solicit reports from pet owners and veterinarians who may know of related cases. The data provided through reports will help inform the investigation.

    4. How many cases have been reported to the FDA?
    Prior to issuing the public notification in July, the FDA received sporadic reports involving 30 dogs and 7 cats. Some of the dogs showed signs of heart disease, including decreased energy, cough, difficulty breathing, and episodes of collapse. The FDA is also aware that the veterinary cardiology community has received more reports—approximately 150 as of July 12, 2018.

    Since issuing the public notification, CVM has received many additional reports but is still in the process of reviewing them.

    5. What brands of food have been included in the reports to the FDA?
    A range of different brands and formulas is included in the reports. Rather than brands, however, the common thread appears to be legumes, seeds of legumes, and/or potatoes as main ingredients. This also includes protein, starch, and fiber derivatives of these ingredients, (eg, pea protein, pea starch, pea fiber). Some reports also seem to indicate that the pets were not eating any other foods for several months to years prior to exhibiting signs of DCM.

    6. What does the FDA consider a “main ingredient”?
    There is no hard and fast rule for what qualifies as a main ingredient. Instead, the FDA said it generally considers a main ingredient as one that is listed in a food’s ingredient list before the first vitamin or mineral ingredient.

    7. Does the FDA know what it is about these foods that may be connected to canine DCM?
    At this time, it is not clear what aspect of these diets may be connected to DCM in dogs. Taurine deficiency is well documented as a potential cause of DCM, but it is not the only cause. Nutritional makeup of the main ingredients or how dogs process them, main ingredient sourcing, processing, amount used, or other factors could be involved.

    8. How do veterinarians and consumers submit reports to the FDA?
    CVM encourages pet owners and veterinary professionals to report cases of DCM in dogs suspected of having a link to diet by using the electronic Safety Reporting Portal or calling their state’s FDA Consumer Complaint Coordinators.

    9. How long will the FDA’s investigation take?
    There is no way to know how long the investigation will take, but the CVM hopes to gain a better understanding of this possible connection as more data are gathered from case reports. The FDA will continue to convey observations publicly as the investigation progresses.

    The investigation is still ongoing and the link between these ingredients and DCM remains unknown; therefore, the FDA it is not yet advising dietary changes based solely on the information that has been gathered. Instead, veterinarians should work with clients to decide which types of diets might be best for patients—especially those already diagnosed with DCM.

    You can read the complete list of FAQs on the FDA website.
     
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  5. LifeofRubie

    LifeofRubie Notable member

    I used to feed solid gold but they had some formula changes and had some questionable additives according to this site which I refer to every so often. I like it because it because they look at several things and give a good launch point for picking a food.

    I see you're already using Dog Food Advisor which can be very helpful!

    Also, if you buy your dog food online, keep in mind that chewy.com will have different food offerings than petflow.com, etc.

    We're currently feeding the Fromm Classic Adult. I really like the price point and like I can buy it on petflow.com.

    I reiterate the avoiding of peas, lentils, legumes, chickpeas, potatoes, and lamb (a protein generally low in Taurine). It will make your headspin, for sure.
     
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  6. DanBar

    DanBar Member

    My dogs are goats. Literally. They can and do eat anything with zero bad results. Solid Gold is the ONLY food they have not only gotten sick eating, but then refused to eat. I've stayed away since.
    People try to do "the best" for their dog by buying into "your dog is a wolf" and "more protein is better" lines. Fact is, your dog hasn't been a wolf for about 20,000 years. It has been a dog, eating scraps and human and animal fecal matter during its development. Dogs can even thrive on "Old Roy", so just pick any decent food with about 26% for a pet, 28 to 30% for a hard working dog, and at least 16% fat and you really can't go wrong. And corn in the diet is NOT "evil". It is actually a decent source of food. Just about every dog in the south over the past 300 years lived on cornbread. LOL. And the hounds and terriers and other dogs in the UK lived on oatmeal. Meat, in human civilization, has often been quite rare.
    Best of luck with your new pup.
     
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  7. JanS

    JanS DCF Owner Administrative Staff Moderator Hot Topics Subscriber

    I've always heard Solid Gold is a pretty good food so I picked up a couple cans as a topper for their dry kibble but it didn't agree with Albert at all.
     
  8. Ddski5

    Ddski5 Hot Topics Subscriber $ Forum Donor $

    Don’t laugh but I can attest to feeding Ol’ Roy. Pound dogs lived long lives too...
     
  9. Ingrid H

    Ingrid H Hot Topics Subscriber $ Forum Donor $

    Solid Gold was an awesome TV show back in the 80s ;)
     
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  10. Ddski5

    Ddski5 Hot Topics Subscriber $ Forum Donor $

    It sure was....back in the days of Buck Rogers too.
     

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